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Gay Rights Activists' Outlook Somber As Euphoria Over DADT Repeal Subsides

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First Posted: 12/30/10 02:03 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

NEW HAVEN -- The long-awaited repeal of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy marked a modern day civil rights milestone. But while activists and like-minded pols at first celebrated an achievement long in the offing, that cheeriness has quickly been replaced by political somberness.

Whereas conventional wisdom holds that legislative victories beget future ones, there was no clear sense that the president's signing of DADT's repeal would have such a domino effect. The battle over the military's policies towards gay servicemembers is not over, rather it has been brought to a different stage, one focused heavily on certification and proper implementation. And while that one particular win was rapturously sweet, the next set of battles seem likely to be just as, if not more, painstakingly difficult and emotionally draining.

"The debate the country was forced to have on this issue will help on other LGBT issues going forward. It was a very healthy conversation," said Winnie Stachelberg Senior Vice President for External Affairs at the Center for American Progress. But, she added, "I think that we have to be realistic that the numbers in the Senate and conservative control of the House makes it really difficult if not impossible to pass and have signed into law legislation ... But if you are an advocate you wake up every day trying to figure out how to get it done."

How to get it done, however, is not entirely clear. Nor for the matter is what needs to be prioritized and who will take the lead in doing it. Among political interest groups, the gay rights community is fairly notorious for its split in personalities and for disagreements over strategy and tactics. That DADT was repealed despite the infighting was, as one top gay rights operative told the Huffington Post, "basically, a miracle."

Understanding that this type of activist alchemy is not a recipe for success, there have been rumors (not confirmed) swirling of a major meeting of key stakeholders being set for early next year. But even those who would be brought to the table don't see greater synergy on the horizon.

"I'm not seeing anything positive at this point," said John Aravosis, editor of AMERICAblog.com and one of the more prominent, forceful gay rights activists. "The problem I think people don't realize is that a lot of the protests happened because of [the Center for American Progress] and [Human Rights Campaign]. People thought that they were aiding and abetting this administration when they were not giving us very positive answers about moving ahead ... How do you move together as one when the concern of many in the community is that these groups are enabling this administration's bad strategy?"

If Aravosis's sentiments reflect a distrust among some gay rights activists for the institutional players -- there were, he insisted, conversations about "whether to shut down and protest CAP or HRC" -- it's worth noting that the street goes two ways. Vigor, after all, is only useful to the extent that it affects the whip count.

"I think having several voices in the [DADT] debate was a strength," said Aubrey Sarvis executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. "I think what possibly could have been more effective would be if we had better coordination. But the reality is, today, with technology and individuals determined to be a player in the debate, I don't know that we will see the days again of one central coordinate strategy or headquarters. So you can have several players with their laptops beating their chest and suggesting what all the established players should be doing but at the end of the day if they don't bring any votes to the table their impact is questionable."

And herein lies the problem. Even if the institutional players and the vocal activists found blissful synchronicity, they can't change the math of the current Congress. At one point, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would prohibit discrimination against employees on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, was viewed as a more promising legislative vehicle than DADT repeal. Today, few gay rights advocates see it as having the votes necessary for passage. Overturning the Defense of Marriage Act, which prevents the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriages, has even less traction in the incoming Congress.

"Anyone with a realistic view realizes we wont get things done legislatively during the next two years," said the top gay rights operative. "And if you look down the road it could be ten years we don't get anything done legislatively if we have to depend on Democrats solely."

All of which is not to say that the gay rights community is resigned to political inertia. There are other vehicles for progress.

At the start of the Obama administration, a list of 82 executive actions was put together detailing what the president could get done without the legislative branch. That list has since disappeared, owing, Aravosis explained, to the fact that activists would often point to it as evidence of Obama's shortcomings on their issues. But Obama did tackle some of the 82; for instance, revising hospital visitation rights. The rest of them, such as the creation of better census-styled data on the LGBT community, would quickly become points of contention if it became clear that the White House was simply sitting on its hands.

There are, in addition, small pieces of legislation that Congress might be more inclined to consider, down to simple, straightforward revisions to the tax code. But the pie-in-the-sky objectives, activists admit, will only come through one avenue: the courts.

"The legal cases are critical to the movement and I think as we saw with the repeal with Don't Ask Don't Tell you need a multi-prong approach for equality to the gay community," said Stachelberg. "The way the court cases have evolved and unfolded they have driven attention to these issues in an important way."

There are, currently, two major cases are making their way through the judicial system, one challenging the constitutionality of DOMA, the other challenging the constitutionality of California's gay-marriage ban. Either could end up at the Supreme Court. One, certainly, is expected.

Whether five members of that body can, ultimately, be persuaded one way or the other on the issue of marriage is, at this juncture, fodder for Court watchers. To bolster their case, however, the gay rights community has set up top-notch legal advocacy groups, with the helping hand (and checkbook) of some prominent Republicans. It is, perhaps, the most galvanizing issue on the gay rights docket. But even on this front, the community's somberness is hard to ignore.

The president's unwillingness to fully embrace marriage equality, for starters, has taken its toll, dividing the gay rights community over the issue of how hard the White House should or can be lobbied.

"Marriage unfortunately for the president will be a big deal," predicted Aravosis. "People are not letting go of his comments on marriage. People are no longer willing to give them a pass on marriage ... It will be an issue for Obama's reelect with the community."

The more dispirited skepticism, however, has nothing to do with Obama; rather it's driven by concern that the political will and public support simply exist to make a court decision stick.

"I think with respect to marriage, according to the polls I see there is not yet this overwhelming support among the American people for marriage," said Sarvis. "We have to keep educating the American public about these... We have to find a way to keep telling the story and keep putting the faces on the initiative whether it is marriage or eliminating DOMA."

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NEW HAVEN -- The long-awaited repeal of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy marked a modern day civil rights milestone. But while activists and like-minded pols at first celebrated an achievem...
NEW HAVEN -- The long-awaited repeal of the military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy marked a modern day civil rights milestone. But while activists and like-minded pols at first celebrated an achievem...
 
 
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02:20 AM on 02/18/2011
"Gay Rights Activists' Outlook Somber As Euphoria Over DADT Repeal Subsides"

I don't know, I feel more melancholy. Or, hm, I'm sure there's a French word for what I'm feeling.

Seriously, I know this won't be published, but Sam, SAM, Have you NOTHING better to do with your time than write hoffpo/aol apology speeches or try to drum up drama with these ridiculous posts?

Seriously, it's no wonder you work for free.
11:21 AM on 01/03/2011
I wish heterosexuals would stop confusing (and equating) sexual orientation with cultural identity. Cultural idenity is ACQUIRED.

No one is born a fan of Aaron Rodgers and the Packers just as no one is born a fan of Cher and Will & Grace. One is, however, born with a biological sexual orientation intact. Once cultural identity is divorced from sexual orientation the Jim Crow sexual apatheid that heterosexuals fetishize is clearly betrayed as fantasy.
12:41 AM on 01/03/2011
It's really frustrating that more straight people here in America don't understand the importance of being able to marry who you love. There is no choice in one's orientation. There is no choice as to the gender of the person whom you fall in love with. Meanwhile, even though no such choice exists, we are denied our right to be safe and secure, with the same federal benefits that straight people enjoy. They didn't choose to be straight, by the way, yet they get federal benefits, while an entire class of people are left to twist in the wind when their same-gendered partner dies.
11:12 AM on 01/03/2011
Agreed. I think one of the problems is that straight people see "Gay" as a cultural identity but heterosexuality as a sexual orientation. The impression of "Gay" is choice. The impression of homosexual is biological.

On one level this is an issue of semantics, which is embarrassing. If the issue were more clearly and realistically discussed as a matter of biological sexual orientation there might not be this subconscious disconnect and revulsion (admit it) of heterosexuals.
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05:19 PM on 01/03/2011
F&F. I think that those heterosexuals who are bigoted have to think that a GLBT orientation has to be a choice because they can then punish it--the thinking goes: if GLBTs don't want to be the object of anti-GLBT laws and customs, they can just change. Sorry, but it is not that simple. And since we all pay taxes, the government support of straight couples only amounts to discrimination.
01:26 PM on 01/02/2011
I am so sick of the defeatist attitudes like the one expressed in this article. If we want equality we need to fight no matter which party is in charge. If we don't even fight then we have already lost. Several prominate republicans have recently said that they support gay marriage, attorney Ted Olson stated that equality is not a partisan issue, and he's right. It was also a republican and an idependent that ultimately got the repeal of DADT done. I'm also bothered by the notion that if you are not a direct lobbyist, or don't have "direct impact" then your opioid and voice do not matter, and you should just shut up and let the real players do what they do. To that I say f*@k off. The more voices we have demanding equality the better. The voice that Washington and the courts hear from the community should be a roar, not a whisper. Personally, I'm done handing over my donations to groups like HRC and trusting that they are doing the best that they can only to see little or no results. I think we should legislate for federally recognized civil unions with all the rights of marriage. The dems support that, in fact, let them tell it it was their idea. The anti-gay groups and the GOP have reduced their argument to "civil unions but not marriage" they say that they just want to "protect marriage", well fine, we can argue over semantics later.
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06:45 PM on 01/01/2011
I just had many of my gay friends over for Christmas dinner, we ate and drank ourselves silly. And never once did we talk about all of the many well documented cases of strait people who are sexual predators who have done the most despicable crimes you can think of. I am not proud of my strait friends who think they have some kind of lock on morality who spew this kind of trash.

I hope all of these bible toting church going hypocrites get the mental help they need.
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01:27 PM on 01/03/2011
Fanned and faved. Unfortunately they won't get the help they need because they are convinced that Jesus shares their bigotry and hatred.
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06:47 AM on 01/04/2011
Thanks lL I really am tired of all this BS.
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02:04 PM on 01/01/2011
The intense FURY before DADT was repealed was the LGBT community knowing the Lame Duck was a closing window for ANY chance of advancement for LGBT Rights for two years, it also reflected how much was promised, and how we were told to constantly revise and lower our expectations, and told to WAIT.
The next two years aren't just status quo for LGBTs, we will face a barrage in state legislatures newly controlled by Republican Tea-Klanners, and supported by just as hateful governors, who will sign EVERY wet dream of NOM, Concerned Women of America, Family Research Council into LAW.
Domestic Partnerships, Hate Crimes, Equal employment and housing laws....will be GUTTED.
It isn't only LGBTs who will be attacked state by state,by state, by state, by state.... Latinos, People With Disabilities, Poor People, Muslims, and Pro-CHOICE Women will see draconian and abusive laws passed against their Rights too. WE (LGBTs) know how much fund raising fighting this cr*p will cost us in EACH state we have to battle, and we are exhausted, we are facing foreclosures, we have unemployment.....JUST LIKE STRAIGHT AMERICANS.
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03:24 PM on 01/01/2011
Hi Boy, I wanted to bring this to your attention, It's a well written post, IMHO. I tried reposting it on this thread to no avail.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/atomic/richard-burr-dadt-repeal-vote_n_803106_72392812.html
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06:08 PM on 01/03/2011
WIsh I could have read it but the mods removed it.
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03:29 PM on 01/01/2011
@frameofmind
 
thanks for the link to the comment, your response isn't showing yet.
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09:44 PM on 12/31/2010
Bette Midler - What Are You Doing New Year's Eve?

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09:19 PM on 12/31/2010
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Are you GLBT? Are you permitted to marry the one you love AND receive the 1300+ benefits/p­rotections given by the federal government­? Do you have to worry about being fired/evic­ted if your boss/landl­ord finds out your orientatio­n as is the case in a number of states? If not, then you have no right to tell us how to feel.

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Believe me on this - there's always one on every single gay issue thread on HP. Usually they don't know how they feel themselves, so instead of dealing with it in a clinical setting, sociopaths like bzb create deliberate conflict because they aren't really interested in these issues at all. If he's gay and ever marched in SF with Harvey Milk, then there's WMD in Iraq. Some people just love to make up lies to bolster other lies.
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09:16 PM on 12/31/2010
I hope all gay and lesbian citizens who were denied the chance to serve in the military because of DADT and prior restrictions, sue the government for lost benefits and veterans' preferences in hiring. A whole generation of American citizens will continue to suffer from the exclusions to military service.
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10:29 PM on 12/31/2010
Sue? That's a knee slapper.
Still waiting for my 40 acres and a mule.
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08:48 PM on 12/31/2010
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Why? Because I dare to tell everyone that we have so much more to do and will not go beyond what celebratin­g I have done on DADT? It hasn't begun to be implemente­d yet. I will continue my celebratio­n when it is actually implemente­d. I prefer deeds to words.
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Don't bother with Obamaniac who can't think straight in their pea-sized brain like bzb. bzb would rather gay rights stall out till the end of time unless "Obama!...can!...sign!...it!" You're right, such people have no real first-hand involvement in this struggle at all - and when it comes down to it, they're just as much an enemy as anyone who voted against DADT in that Congress.
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09:21 PM on 12/31/2010
And you have no first-hand involvement pookie.
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10:04 PM on 12/31/2010
Your only first-hand involvement was kneeling in front of an Obama poster and calling that direct action, lol. You're really pathetic fecal matter.
07:56 PM on 12/31/2010
Euphoria? That seems a little over dramatic.....

With the nation stuck in a terrible economy and unemployment at a reported 10% (we all know its about 18%), it seems like there should be more focus on economic issues.

Anyone notice the high price of gas lately?
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07:58 PM on 12/31/2010
And how is that relative to this thread?
08:39 PM on 12/31/2010
My point is that the administration is spending a lot of time on something that is not as important as the economy.

I know, obama is going to "focus like a laser beam on the economy" but what looks to be occurring is that obama is focusing on playing politics.

Each day, he loses more people with his lack of leadership.
07:58 PM on 12/31/2010
I agree with you. We need our congress to focus on the highest priority in the country which is the economy until we get it under control.
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08:00 PM on 12/31/2010
And can you walk and talk at the same time?
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08:01 PM on 12/31/2010
Sorry if one of the basic ideals underlying our nation's founding--equal rights--is not of importance to you. I happen to think it is. And I happen to be among those unemployed. I like to think in terms of what is best for this nation on *all* fronts.
07:46 PM on 12/31/2010
So if one the openly gay servicemen gets killed in the line of duty, will the enemy soldier that killed him be charged with a hate crime if he is captured?
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07:57 PM on 12/31/2010
"I am patient with stupidity, but not with people who are proud of it."
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08:05 PM on 12/31/2010
I think I love you...the kind of love that make baby jesus cry and antigay bigots confused.
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09:26 PM on 12/31/2010
Balancement is my new fave.....Great quote. HP needs more smart, insightful, and literate posters to deal with the rightie-riffraff displaying their anger on here. Have geat 2011. I'll be looking forya.
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07:57 PM on 12/31/2010
How would the enemy know if one of our troops was gay or not?
11:50 AM on 01/01/2011
Cause they would be telling everyone.
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07:17 PM on 12/31/2010
Personally I sitll just think that ENDA is the main next front to push on at the federal level, it ends what is demonstrablyunfair in the workplace - and that's the wider arena that people can relate to beyond the military example. So there's a conservative congress coming in that will never pass it? All the more reason to show them up for what their values and dogma are, and the wider public will factor that in if it's still a front burner issue when 2012 comes. I really don't care who eventually signs it, it's the groundswell of opinion and effort that ordinary people and organizations build that are the necessary step long before anything gets signed. Rosa Parks sat on a bus all alone long before LBJ signed any Civil Rights Act, thank you.
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07:27 PM on 12/31/2010
DOMA should be the next main front on the federal level and I do care who signs it , thank you.
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07:50 PM on 12/31/2010
Ahh a second thing on which we agree. DOMA should be next. And if Obama signs it I would be quite happy.
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11:11 PM on 12/31/2010
Did I or anyone else actually ask you? No. And the fact that all you care about is "who signs it" says volumes about your sheer stupidity.
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07:29 PM on 12/31/2010
I don't know about you, but I can multi-task. ENDA needs to be passed and DOMA needs to be overturned. And the Dems are gonna hear about it and Obama is gonna hear about it over and over and over and over again, until it's *done* and LGBT Americans are no longer second-class citizens.

Period.
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07:35 PM on 12/31/2010
Yeah, I can multi-task, everyone does what they can. DOMA needs to be overturned - but that one may be better fought on the state level first by getting more states to pass gay marriage or strike down anti-gay marriage state law. The multi-tasking has to happen on more than one front but also more than one level.
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12:21 PM on 01/02/2011
We need to add UAFA to that list
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07:04 PM on 12/31/2010
I haven't stopped celebrating civil rights victories. Why would I? The initial euphoria has given way to awe and historic realism and a profound sense of the man who was Martin Luther King, Jr.  A profound and historic and legendary and awesomely beautiful thing was accomplished and the progress of America has not...stopped!  Let there be no doubt. The repeal of DADT was monumental. It stands as a historic and monumental tribute to the American spirit and the idealism of our founders. Let there be no question. The historic achievement is won. The victory is secured. The truth prevails. "All Men Are Created Equal"...