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Jobless Claims Drop To Lowest Level In More Than 2 Years

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PAUL WISEMAN   12/30/10 06:19 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Far fewer people are applying for unemployment benefits as the year ends, raising hopes for a healthier job market in 2011.

Applications are at their lowest level since July 2008, the Labor Department says. They fell to 388,000 in the week ending Dec. 25, bringing the four-week average to 414,000. Until mid-October, the four-week average had been stuck above 450,000 most of the year.

Economists say the number of people applying for unemployment benefits predicts where the job market will go over the next few months – so much so that they use this data to help forecast economic growth.

"We're starting to see a pickup in job growth," says Conference Board economist Kenneth Goldstein. "We may even get to a point, conceivably by spring, where the consumer is going to say that it no longer feels like we're still in a recession." He expects the economy to generate 100,000 to 150,000 jobs a month by spring, up from an average 86,500 a month in 2010.

That's an improvement, but still not enough to cause big drop in the unemployment rate. To Paul Kasriel, chief economist at Northern Trust, fewer people applying for unemployment benefits suggests the unemployment rate will slip from 9.8 percent in November to 9.7 percent early next year; that would mean about 150,000 fewer unemployed.

The Conference Board's Goldstein says the unemployment rate might actually rise for a few months as an increase in job openings lures even more job seekers back into the labor market. He doesn't expect the unemployment rate to start dropping until mid-2011 and says it will finish the year above 9 percent.

The good news is that layoffs have fallen back to pre-recession levels. In October, 1.7 million people were laid off or fired – the lowest figure since August 2006, more than a year before the Great Recession started. Layoffs and dismissals peaked at 2.6 million in January 2009.

"We've stopped the losses, and things are kind of turning around," says Mark Christiansen, deputy director of the Workforce Development Center in Riverside, Calif., which has one of the nation's highest unemployment rates.

In past downturns, the economy didn't start generating jobs until applications for unemployment benefits consistently fell below 400,000 a week. But some economists say the old rule of thumb is outdated. Payrolls were already growing this year when applications were still well above 450,000 a week.

One reason: The labor force has grown by 25 million people over the past two decades. "You would expect the level of initial jobless claims to be higher the larger the labor force," Northern Turst's Kasriel says.

Another: Since the Great Recession, the unemployed, knowing their job search may be long and difficult, have been more likely to apply for benefits than they used to be. Previously, there were 1.25 laid-off workers for every person applying for benefits. Now, claims and layoffs are about equal, notes Zach Pandl, economist at Nomura Securities. That means each claim represents fewer laid-off workers.

Even if they've stopped cutting, employers have been slow to hire. In October, there were still 4.4 unemployed for every job opening. "It's not really been the layoff rate that's been the problem in most of 2010," says Gary Burtless, senior fellow in economics studies at the Brookings Institution. "It's been the failure of employers to create vacancies."

But vacancies are expected to open up in 2011. A survey released this month by the Business Roundtable found that 45 percent of big company CEOs planned to add jobs over the next six months, up from 31 percent in the third quarter; just 18 percent planned to cut jobs. A survey by the staffing firm Manpower found that companies are more optimistic about hiring than they've been in two years.

"We're going to start to see jobs added. It's just going to take longer than anyone would want to get to somewhere more comfortable," says Manpower CEO Jeff Joerres. "The first quarter is classically a slow hiring quarter. After that, we're going to see numbers that seem more like a recovery."

In Louisville, Ky., 103-year-old Atlas Machine & Supply is planning to add 10 to 12 workers to its staff of 200. The firm, which makes factory equipment, is bouncing back from 2009 – "the worst year we've had since the Great Depression," president Rich Gimmel says. The new jobs will be good ones, too – machinists earning $70,000 to $80,000 a year.

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AP Economy Writer Christopher S. Rugaber contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON — Far fewer people are applying for unemployment benefits as the year ends, raising hopes for a healthier job market in 2011. Applications are at their lowest level since July 2008, ...
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nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
11:06 AM on 01/03/2011
"We may even get to a point, conceivably by spring, where the consumer is going to say that it no longer feels like we're still in a recession"

I would strongly suggest investing in umbrellas. When pigs fly.
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paparandy
Power to the People! Right On!
01:45 PM on 01/02/2011
Claims have dropped because long term unemployed benefits are running out. The 99'ers are off the rolls month after month. They can no longer receive benefits, so they no longer file. Typical government double-speak. I no longer believe anything the corporate owned government or the corporate owned press tell me. The press is nothing more than the propaganda arm of the Corporate States of Amerika. Joseph Goebbels would be proud!
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01:25 AM on 01/04/2011
agreed. this is absolute insanity.

the government and the press seem to be in an alternate universe.

or are the unemployed just becoming a shadow society which won't be addressed or acknowledged?
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paparandy
Power to the People! Right On!
12:05 PM on 01/04/2011
I'm afraid that is the point we are approaching. The unemployed are already becoming a shadow society. Living on the edges. Everyone knows they're there, but maybe if they don't acknowledge them they'll just go away. They don't want to address such things as the ACTUAL unemployment numbers. That would be to embarrassing to acknowledge and admit to the world.To the government, if your benefits have run out, you already don't exist. Well they'll know they exist when the Welfare rolls increase and food stamps go up. That is the insanity. It is too expensive to pay them unemployment, but somehow they figure it is cheaper to add them to the welfare rolls.?????
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
10:05 AM on 01/02/2011
Bureau of Labor Statistics - BLS - take the middle letter out and you have my opinion of their statisticsand prognosis.
09:26 AM on 01/02/2011
Unemployment is a lagging indicator. Changes in the unemployment rate typically reflect changes in the economy that have already taken place. There is a lot of recent evidence that we are beginning to enter a "double dip", namely, declining housing sales statistics and skyrocketing cost of gasoline (which acts as a powerful negative stimulus).
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KWiedemer
Denver Unemployment Examiner
08:46 AM on 01/02/2011
This is Obama's big success? His big 'turn-around'?

If something meaningful isn't done to help a) the long-term unemployed, b) stop the corporate a take over of the middle class, there is not one Democrat that I voted for in 2010 or 2008 that will get my vote again.

Of, course, I'm sure they don't really care, because, thanks to our Supreme Court and the Citizens United ruling, they've got their campaign coffers and corporate donations flowing like never before.

Some sort of 'democracy' we live inc. The school systems should be changing all of the text booksusing to teach or children about civics, democracy and the history of this country - everything I was taught - and believed in growing up was nothing more than a huge fairytale.

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Period.
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Raccoon1
These are the times that try men's souls........
09:15 AM on 01/02/2011
The school systems stopped teaching civics under the Reagan administration - the beginning of the 'dumbing-down' process along with the end of the fairness doctrine.
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KWiedemer
Denver Unemployment Examiner
10:18 AM on 01/02/2011
Check out the 'Dreyfuss Initiative' - it is an initiativr sponsored/backed by Richard Dreyfuss to bring back civics education in our schools.
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KWiedemer
Denver Unemployment Examiner
08:38 AM on 01/02/2011
"We're starting to see a pickup in job growth," says Conference Board economist Kenneth Goldstein. "We may even get to a point, conceivably by spring, where the consumer is going to say that it no longer feels like we're still in a recession."

The CONSUMER no longer feels like we're in a recession; I assume that specifically refers to those who have a job. The 30 million unemployed and under-employed are no longer able to CONSUME much of anything because they have no financial means to do so.

The masses of UNEMPLOYED CONSUMERS are living in a depression and there is no light at the end of this very dark tunnel.

But as long as the 'CONSUMERS' feel like things are improving, then everything is OK, right?

"...fewer people applying for unemployment benefits suggests the unemployment rate will slip from 9.8 percent in November to 9.7 percent early next year; that would mean about 150,000 fewer unemployed."

That's progress? Point made.

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WonderingNThinking
Think Before We Sink
06:23 AM on 01/02/2011
All this "feel good" spin on the economic indicators makes me sick. Let me know when unemployment drops by at least a half a percent.
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llen
12:46 AM on 01/02/2011
What I don't understand, in MA where I live, the unemployment is going down each month. I have been unable to find a job or any kind, I'm 58, education, worked all my life, there are no jobs in the area where I live. I'm able to squeak by because I moved in to a very tiny cheap (utilities included) apt which is nice, great landlord (understanding landlord), don't need much to survive anymore. Not being able to afford a car is a draw back. But there is public trans. for surrounding towns. If the unemployment rate is going down, where the hell are the jobs, must be you have to be 20-30 somethings to see the magic writing in the paper, online...maybe its subliminal and my mind is to old to pick it up.
WonderingNThinking
Think Before We Sink
06:14 AM on 01/02/2011
Table A-15, from the bureau of labor statistics (link below) shows that unemployment isn't really decreasing month over month by any significant amount (went up in November). It also shows the U6 number (more realistic picture of unemployment) at 16 to 17%. I think it's hard to find a job. I wish you the best!

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.htm
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Horror vacui
09:33 AM on 01/02/2011
I don't think unemployment is going down - I think New unemployment Claims are going down. Big deal - the week between Christmas and NewYears. My boss laid us off Nov.5th. (avoid any holidays paid). Seems like most of the financial "good news" is taking place at the mall. Heck, if I had made it to this Christmas still employed, I may have gone to the mall and replaced some socks, too. I feel your pain. Maybe a job at the food court?
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Arts4u
It's better than a reality show.
10:49 PM on 01/01/2011
The close of 2010: The Lost Decade:

"The number of very long term unemployed was 15 times as high as it was in 2000 at the close of the prior decade when US labor markets were operating close to full employment­.

The 15 million official unemployed were accompanie­d by 9 million underemplo­yed, 6 million hidden unemployed (wanting work but no longer actively looking), and 10 million malemploye­d college graduates working in jobs that do not require a college degree. Over 40 million American adults were facing one of these four labor market problems in 2010, the largest number by far in the past 50 years."

From here: http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­andrew-sum­/ringing-o­ut-the-old­-year-_b_8­02711.html
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Pdubya
10:18 PM on 01/01/2011
Hint: change qualification requirements, get lower claims!
06:16 PM on 01/01/2011
Fewer people go to the unemployment office during the holidays to start their unemployment benefits claim. Watch for a jump in claims after the holidays.
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llen
12:34 AM on 01/02/2011
I was thinking the same thing, plus after the holidays all the holiday workers will be let go. There will be an adjustment.
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Raccoon1
These are the times that try men's souls........
09:19 AM on 01/02/2011
Christmas 'temps' laid off again.
12:54 PM on 01/01/2011
Time to cut unemployment benefits back to 13 weeks.
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
03:40 PM on 01/01/2011
You are being sarcastic. Please tell me that you are being sarcastic.
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Arts4u
It's better than a reality show.
10:50 PM on 01/01/2011
No. he's not. Tinman likes to leave nasty comments...
WonderingNThinking
Think Before We Sink
06:24 AM on 01/02/2011
I'm surprised they don't. It would make the U3 unemployment figures look great.
09:21 AM on 01/01/2011
The only reason unemployment is down is because more and more of the 99 weekers are running out.
There are not that many jobs left and people are working a lot of hours for free-so that is why the low numbers.
Look at all of the crape hiring. Selling cable t.v, energy and a few jobs in retail.
06:20 PM on 01/01/2011
Besides the 99ers, whose unemployment benefits have run out and are no longer counted as unemployed, there's the people who have just given up looking for work in this lousy economy and aren't counted, either. So the actual unemployment rate is much worse than the official 9.8% rate.
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Arts4u
It's better than a reality show.
10:51 PM on 01/01/2011
22 % is a more accurate number. 3% away from those experienced during the Great Depression.
WonderingNThinking
Think Before We Sink
06:16 AM on 01/02/2011
It's at least 16%. Here's a link to the bureau of labor statistics (see table A-15 and look at the U6 data - that's more reflective of the true unemployment rate).

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.htm
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OSCPJ
Want it? Work 4 it. No 1 has ever drown in sweat.
09:24 PM on 01/01/2011
This article is about new claims.  It would never include those already on U/I.
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Thomas Kuzdal
Solutions welcome.
08:57 AM on 01/01/2011
Happy New Year to all the other 99ers, indeed.

I don't know what's worse. Is it the certainty that I won't return to the same earning level in my life (over 55) or that hiring managers have reason to stay away from us "old people" ? Sensible people don't see a return to wild spending, so, really, where will we end up?
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jer9848
Bleeding heart lib.
02:50 AM on 01/01/2011
99ers need to raise hell so someone hears them!!!
12:55 PM on 01/01/2011
I'm tired of supporting others.
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Arts4u
It's better than a reality show.
10:52 PM on 01/01/2011
We're tired of supporting you.
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Horror vacui
09:37 AM on 01/02/2011
Hire one of them.