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Jobs Are Trickling In, But Millions Have Given Up Looking For Work

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First Posted: 01/03/11 07:58 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

U.S. private employers have recorded 11 consecutive months of job gains, yet the number of people who are so discouraged that they have given up searching for work stands at an all-time high.

Friday's employment report is expected to show the pace of payroll growth accelerated last month after a disappointing showing in November. However, consumers' assessment of the job market deteriorated in December, according to the Conference Board's latest consumer confidence survey.

This disconnect is symptomatic of the state of the labor market. Yes, it is recovering, but at a pace that can hardly keep up with population growth, let alone quickly bring down the 9.8 percent unemployment rate.

Private employment increased by an average of 106,000 per month through November. At that rate, it would take more than 6 years just to replace the jobs lost during the latest recession.

There is reason to believe hiring will pick up in 2011.

Many economists have raised economic growth forecasts, in part because of a tax deal that keeps in place lower rates enacted under President George W. Bush, and planned job cuts are down 60 percent from a year ago.

However, that may not make job hunting much easier, said John Challenger, chief executive of job placement firm Challenger, Gray & Christmas in Chicago.

"The job market could be even more competitive as improving job prospects entice people who abandoned their job searches out of frustration to re-enter the labor pool," he said.

The labor pool looks like it has sprung a leak. In a civilian labor force 154-million strong, only 64.5 percent were either working or looking for a job in November, a rate that matched October as the lowest since the early 1980s.

If workers come pouring back into the labor market more quickly than employers want to hire, the jobless rate will rise. The Labor Department counts people as unemployed only if they are actively looking for work, so those discouraged workers -- nearly 1.3 million of them as of November -- are excluded.

A look at the gender breakdown offers some signs that the dropout rate could stay high even if hiring improves.

Nearly two-thirds of the discouraged workers were men, perhaps a reflection of sharp declines in male-dominated industries such as construction and manufacturing, where jobs are expected to remain scarce.

Ethan Harris, an economist with Bank of America-Merrill Lynch, said the economic healing process will be faster for women than for men, in part because women are more likely to go to college and obtain the skills needed to find a job.

Among 18- to 24-year-olds, about 41 percent were enrolled in college or graduate school, according to Census data. Broken down by gender, 45.3 percent of women in that age group were enrolled, compared with just 36.7 percent of men.

STALL SPEED

The slow-healing labor market arguably poses the biggest threat to U.S. economic recovery and the biggest headache for Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

Bernanke said in early December it would take four to five years for the unemployment rate to come down to what he called more "normal" levels of around 5 percent to 6 percent.

He is scheduled to testify on monetary and fiscal policy before the Senate Budget Committee on Friday, one hour after the employment report is released. He no doubt will face questions on what more can be done to speed up the recovery.

Bernanke and his fellow Fed officials think economic growth will come in around 3 percent to 3.6 percent in 2011, which would be a step up from 2010's expected 2.6 percent rate.

Andrew Busch, a currency and public policy strategist at BMO Capital Markets, said he remains optimistic about the U.S. economy's 2011 prospects. But he also has compiled a list of reasons why growth might fall short of expectations.

The potential trouble spots include a renewed housing slump, tax hikes from budget-pinched states and a congressional battle over whether to raise the debt ceiling to allow the Treasury Department to borrow more.

Busch's biggest concern is that the economy manages just 2.5 percent economic growth, too slow to spur much hiring, triggering a Japan-esque deflation cycle.

"If you hit stall speed at 2.5 percent (growth), you've got a major problem," Busch said.

(Editing by Dan Grebler)

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05:37 PM on 01/06/2011
If you want to get out of a hole the first thing you need to do is stop digging.

Why are we adding more people when we can not take care of the ones that
are already here?

With an unemployment rate of 9.6% and an under employment rate much higher
it is time to get real about immigration in America.

BOTH legal and illegal immigration need to be reduced.
For too long big business has wanted cheap labor and has ignored the persons
status to be in this country. Cheap labor is sometimes paid cash and therefore
does not add to the tax base and also the employer is breaking the law.

H1b visa's that employers use to bring workers into this country need to
be questioned . What do we need to do to fill those jobs with Americans?

Why are we importing workers when so many Americans are unemployed .

It is time for American corporations to look at all those jobs they have OUTSOURCED
and bring some of those jobs back home.

It is time for American agriculture to look at innovative ways to bus in workers.
PEOPLE WANT JOBS ! Try putting a bus at a local high school
or at a Home Depot parking lot and see how many fill it up.

It is time for American companies like WalMart to start buying American made
goods. Then people will have money to shop. Without jobs there are no
shoppers and no business.
09:35 PM on 01/06/2011
Paradoxica­lly low cost immigrant labor adds to our standard of living (wealth) so removing immigrants would make us poorer. Example: replace a $8.00 hour immigrant worker with a $18.00 an hour American who doesn't work as hard, and see what happens to prices from burgers and food to car washes, gardening and taxi rides. Paying more for that stuff means less to spend on other job creating purchases. Slavery enriches societies financially. The illegal worker is similar to a low paid slave, particularly after our high cost of living is extracted from their earnings. Stop scapegoating illegal immigrants.Our employment/great recession woes are far greater than the immigrant labor pool let alone the H1b visa program.

Bus workers to the farm? Americans picking strawberries is a laugh-er. How many boxes would you consume at at $12.00 each? End of strawberry market as demand plummets.

"Buy American" strategies will create quality jobs at home, but most ways to accomplish this are outlawed by Nafta and Gatt treaties. Plus the higher cost of American made goods erodes domestic purchasing power, partially offsetting employment gains.

Restricting Salaried employees to upper management and increasing overtime compensation is one way to increase jobs and spread the spread the "pain" more equitably, but the bottom line is a long term decrease in our per capita standard of living. Plan accordingly.
08:06 AM on 01/05/2011
Strange. Here in Europe we always hear about how much the americans work.
According to US labor statistics 134 mio americans worked in 2010. That is 43% of the population.
Of them 72% work full time and 28% work part time.
Here in Denmark 50% of the population is working, of which 25% work part time and 75% full time.
The explanation lies in the annual hours of work.
In the US the annual average working load (OECD 2009) is 1768 hours. In Denmark the average annual working load (OECD 2009) is 1563 hours.
If you had the same working load as in Denmark, ther would be work for 48.6% of the population.
That would mean an additional 17 mio people working.
So instead of a lot of people working hard and and some standing idle on the sideline you could make better lives for all.
Of course, there should be compensation by an increasing hourly salary compensating for hours lost, especially for the lowest salaries, but with the mega-profits gathered by the big cooperations, that should be possible, and then you can save unemployment benefits.
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Texas liberal...with reservations
04:41 PM on 01/05/2011
Perhaps. But the 'American way' is set up to maximize profit for corporations, not provide a steady base of employment for the largest number of people. We used to have labor unions to watch out for worker's interests, but they've been abandoned. Unemployment insurance payments are funded by a large pool of people. So a single company has little financial interest in keeping the number of unemployed in the larger community down.
09:36 PM on 01/04/2011
When your assured of 2 years of unemployment what's the rush?
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
04:44 PM on 01/05/2011
If you're not in a gated community, 10% or so of the people where you live don't appreciate the comment.
07:03 PM on 01/05/2011
time to find a job or at least be required to do community service so that you are singing for your supper
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
04:03 PM on 01/04/2011
THE USA WILL NEED TO RE-CREATE A HUMAN ENGINEERING AND SCIENTIFIC DATABASE BEFORE THE USA CAN DEVELOP NEW PRODUCTS, RE-INDUSTRIALIZE AND CREATE NEW US JOBS!

The USA higher education programs are directed to produce mostly Historians, Poets, MBAs, Economists, Social Scientists, Political Scientists, liberal arts graduates, and similar degrees that will not contribute to the re-industrialization of the USA in order to create new jobs for US citizens.

According to the National Science Foundation and the National Society of Professional Engineers, less than 5% of the current undergraduate college students in the USA studying for a degree in science, medicine, mathematics or engineering are US citizens.

In the Asia the vast majority of the college students are majoring in science or engineering.

We need to increase the percentage of USA citizen college students studying science and engineering from 5% to more than 70%, in order to emulate the economic industrial successes of the Asian countries. The USA must emulate the educational systems of China, India, Pakistan, and other Asian countries or the USA will die economically.

American students will generally not endure the hard work and intense focus that is required for science and engineering degrees, especially since there is such limited financial rewards and respect for that effort after graduation. I guess that I do not blame US students for not studying Science and engineering.
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gerald4
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04:12 PM on 01/04/2011
Maybe the USA needs to replace our current "dumbed-down equal outcome" educational process with some sort of selective process in order to allow selection of only the best and the brightest to qualify for science, technology and engineering educations.

We must provide financial incentives for these students want to study science and technology instead of other less difficult pursuits of study.

The financial salary rewards to study science and technology in the 1950's made science students much respected by other students, and this inducement/reward needs to be re-introduced. Today, students make fun of and demean science and engineering students.

Maybe the USA could provide (export) scientific and engineering services to foreign nations and foreign individuals in return for the foreigner's currency, US dollars, gold and/or other commodities in order to improve our balance of trade, except that both India and China have surpassed the USA in technological capability.

US services would have to be provided by doctors, scientists and engineers who are very much superior to any foreign educated doctors, scientists and engineers, or the foreigners will use their home grown or some other more technically advanced foreign country's medical, scientific and engineering talent, and then not buy the services of US doctors, scientists and engineers.

Foreign countries will always seek the most technically advanced scientific and engineering resources if they do not have these resources locally available.
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gerald4
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04:15 PM on 01/04/2011
Existing US Science and Technology MIGHT NO LONGER CREATE JOBS and/or save the USA economy after we completely destroy our technology base.

Asian countries are producing very competent scientists and engineers that are probably more technically qualified than the US educated engineers, while the USA produces MBA's, psychologists, poets, artists, musicians, historians, economists and other non-scientific graduates that will not contribute to anything to improve the Foreign Trade Deficit.

The Asian countries produce very few non-technically educated students. Student loans should only be available for only those fields such as science, engineering, education, and medicine that do contribute to our industrial base that will help our international trade balance by re-creating our technical knowledge base necessary for re-industrialization.

Most of the large US engineering construction firms here in Houston outsource the CADD drafting and the detailed engineering effort to India and/or Pakistan.

There will soon no technical design capability when US recent graduate engineers are not trained as engineers by performing detailed engineering and CADD drafting under the direction of an older and experienced engineer in an apprentice/mentoring type experience as required for a professional engineering license.

We need legislation to impose prohibitively high import duty tariffs to prohibit the import of technical engineering services and CADD drafting services.
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
04:54 PM on 01/05/2011
Any engineering profession used to be a sure-thing great career choice. But the professions didn't do a good job in keeping huge numbers of foreign engineers out, starting back in the 1970's. Now engineers are a dime a dozen.
01:54 PM on 01/04/2011
Calling all 99ers.

This is our next step for the new year 2011 starting this week of Monday, January 3, 2011.

The plan is to contact all Republicans who are either already in office or the new ones coming in on January 2011.

The Republicans want to do what ever they can to get a Republican elected as our next president in 2012.

So we have to convince them that the 99er will play a hugh roll in this next election.

Through out the week we need those members who can, to call, fax, email and post on Republican representatives sites a message saying the 99ers number in the millions. And currently that number is over 5 million strong.

And those millions of 99ers across this nation can and will vote in the next presidential election in 2012.

And stress the fact that those millions will only vote for the presidental candidate who will help the 99ers with either a Tier 5 bill being passed or some other bill that will extend benefits beyond 99 weeks for these people.

And if you are a member be sure an include that you are a member of the American 99ers Union. A nationwide organization that represents 19 other organizations that have joined forces to give a voice and clout to the millions of unemployed 99ers across this nation
Take Action To Create Change!
http://www.UnemployedWorkersActionGroup.com
Creating One Voice For 16 Million Unemployed Workers
- One Member At A Time
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11:46 AM on 01/04/2011
I have been unemployed for almost 14 months. I AM BEGINNING TO FEEL LIKE YOGI receiving scraps from the government unemployment program.

“From the National Park Service web site.

http://www­.nps.gov/a­rchive/yel­l/yellowst­oneindepth­/episode3t­ranscript.­htm

By 1970, park managers decided it was time for a little tough love.

The National Park Service – in a sweeping and controvers­ial move – closed all of the dumps inside Yellowston­e National Park within a few years. Rangers cracked down on roadside feeding of bears. After almost a century of eating human food and passing on their beggar ways to their cubs, bears had to turn to wild foods again. Some began raiding campground­s for human food. The worst offenders – both black bears and grizzlies – were killed. It became a public relations nightmare for the National Park Service, but the agency stuck by its mandate to protect and restore natural conditions in the park. Fortunatel­y, Yellowston­e’s bears proved remarkably adaptable and eventually returned to a natural diet.”
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11:28 AM on 01/04/2011
Trickling in or out?????
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11:25 AM on 01/04/2011
Trickling up or down?????
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11:23 AM on 01/04/2011
What a snow Job, don't beleive it one bit!!!!!
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01:34 AM on 01/04/2011
i remember when i was younger, i would pay up to 50 dollars for a pair of levis silver tabs. i loved them and they lasted years and they were american made. i miss those days, i was making lots of money, and could easily afford buying them! now i can't even afford 8 dollars for a cheap pair of new Chinese made jeans. whose idea was this that we would be better off shipping out jobs overseas?
10:54 AM on 01/04/2011
Corporations are making record profits and CEOs are getting fat bonuses. They don't care about the rest of us. They'll be saying "Let them eat cake!" any moment now.
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01:16 AM on 01/04/2011
Here's another story of a hiring boom...

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/03/news/economy/jobs_economy_recovery_2011/index.htm
2011: A hiring boom, even at 9% unemployment - Jan. 3, 2011

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- After three years of economic pain, a growing number of economists think 2011 will finally bring what everyone's been hoping for: More jobs and a self-sustaining recovery.

"We're looking at some leading indicators on employment, and they're all flashing green lights," said Bernard Baumohl of the Economic Outlook Group, a Princeton, N.J. research firm.

Though most economists still expect a painfully high unemployment rate of about 9% at the end of this year, some think that stat masks more important signs of strength.

Economists surveyed by CNNMoney are forecasting an average of 2.5 million jobs added to the U.S. economy this year, which would be the best one-year gain in hiring since the white-hot labor market of 1999..."

The reader comments indicate that they don't believe the economists.
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11:20 AM on 01/04/2011
What a lie the economist's do that crap to minipulate the market. What jobs Taco bell, McD's,those are job's but people starve while they work them, and the funny thing is people eat alot of cheap fast food because It's cheaper than the grocery store!!!
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
05:00 PM on 01/05/2011
It will be interesting to see what the reaction is when the new long-term unemployment figures come out later this year. The BOS is now going to track for 5-years, rather than the traditional 2-years, long-term unemployment rate in the population.
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12:16 AM on 01/04/2011
The Republicants joined at the hip with weak-of-character Dems experimentally opened the legal tidegate to shipping our good American jobs and their accumulated know-how and expertise to cheap-labor anywhere else but here.

Their grand theroy: Congressfolks and big business gets much richer, and the US workers get reprogrammed into more lucrative high tech jobs. Worked fine, but in reverse gear from the talking line.

The best of theories now realized as the best of snow jobs — the snow job that easily sucked in stupid, gullible politicians and especially loved bt the greedy smarter ones.

”High tech?” they say, “Well, no one in America can do that. But the Chinese can, and we’ll just have to settle for buying our product from them.”

Meanwhile, the country is gasping (actually dying) and the politicians are still musing about who says what first or votes for what second, but turns a quick back on who gets to throw a life buoy out there to the country.

Wait till Congress wakes up and finds their retirement income and health care are going down with the ship. But by then who will give a chip.
12:57 AM on 01/04/2011
probly that high-tech equipment carries a U.S. patent. so we all win
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MadAs
Tuned-in science editor
01:07 AM on 01/04/2011
Wrong. Dead wrong.

It the technology and mfg jobs go overseas, and we have to buy that product from China or wherever, then the productivity is not ours but theirs, our economy gains only at the low-paid merchandising level, and the enriched dudes' at the top move their extraordinary profits into offshore tax havens we get no piece of.

But keep working on it -- you'll get it figured out.
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LetsGoSteve
11:39 AM on 01/04/2011
I quit reading after "Republicants"
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MadAs
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12:35 AM on 01/05/2011
I didn't quit after reading "Lets can't" but then as expected there was little to "Go" on Steve.
12:04 AM on 01/04/2011
There really needs to be a rethinking of how states on employment and unemployment are calculated. The press keeps talking about "Jobs" as if a"Job" were some generic homogeneous commodity where every job was equal to every other job. There are good jobs that pay a living wage, there are great jobs that pay over six figures and there are McJobs that pay minimum wage.

We may have 10% unemployment but, we probably have another 10% or more that are underemployed working less than forty hours a week even though they want to work more, the working poor who work 40 hrs plus but, still don't make enough to get by and the discouraged workers who have given up.

I am unsure if this data is collected and not reported or just not collected at all. I think we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 30% of the population that is truly in dire straits.
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demilieu
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05:26 PM on 01/05/2011
That has already happened. This is the first year the BOS will count long term unemployment in a 5-year rather than 2-year trend in the population.
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jstrate
10:50 PM on 01/03/2011
Some nice problem analysis but little solution analysis. Immigration might be cut. That would reduce the supply of labor. Private employers and governments might find ways of getting people to retire early, perhaps with incentives. Let the price system work in housing so that prices can fall to a point where markets clear. The housing industry can then recover. Increase public spending on necessary infrastructure. Bring an end to credit card usury and the financial entrapment of millions of not so bright Americans. Start buying local and American, especially when it's higher quality. Invest in education so that our young people are competitive in the global labor market. Address market failures with appropriate governmental interventions but do so cautiously with the realization that the market system is a powerful engine of prosperity and job creation. Fix the tax system so that it is fair--that would require a progressive income tax. Stop trying to defend and police the world. There probably are dozens of other things that can be done.
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11:12 PM on 01/03/2011
so how will immigration get cut? the republicans want the cheap labor and the democrats want the hispanic vote. if anything, the immigration problem will get worse
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MadAs
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12:20 AM on 01/04/2011
too simplistic -- dig deeper
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jstrate
12:27 AM on 01/04/2011
Yes, politics is the chief obstacle and in this case ignores majority public opinion. It's an emotional issue that's easily manipulated by demagogues on both the right and the left. 300+ million people live in this country now. Immigrants are the main source of population growth. We've got enough people here already. It's an environmental issue as well as a jobs issue because of our high standard of living. In another 20 or 30 years, perhaps the issue will be gone with Americans wading across the Rio Grande to find good paying jobs in Mexico.
04:54 AM on 01/04/2011
Jstrate,
1. The housing price floor you refer to is probably 20 to 30 percent below current property "values". At that level, banks would buckle under as millions more upside/down homeowners return their keys adding to the stock of junk properties. Commercial/industrial/apartment properties are also shaky and either/both could trigger a massive round of defaults, forcing additional trillions in government bail outs we may not be credit worthy enough to endure. Real estate deflation is at the heart of our current problems, and the fed is doing everything it can to avoid finding the price where real estate markets "clear".

2. Paradoxically low cost immigrant labor adds to our standard of living (wealth) so removing immigrants would make us poorer. Example: replace a $8.00 hour immigrant worker with a $18.00 an hour American who doesn't work as hard, and see what happens to prices from burgers and food to car washes, gardening and taxi rides. Paying more for that stuff means less to spend on other job creating purchases (btw rising gas and commodities prices, paying down credit and increased savings , also reduce job creating consumption).

3. Investing in education sounds good but the equally educated emerging market worker from countries like India and China perform for way less (half or more). Example; an Indian architectural or engineering firm may charges half as much as it's American counter point. How does more domestic education remedy this problem?
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10:48 PM on 01/03/2011
The late Sir James Goldsmith warned what would happen when GATT was passed
back in 1994...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQrz8F0dBI
YouTube - 1. A prophetic interview with Sir James Goldsmith in 1994 Pt1

http://desip.igc.org/gatt01.html
Goldsmith on GATT: Part 1

"THE NEW UTOPIA: GATT AND GLOBAL FREE TRADE
by SIR JAMES GOLDSMITH

Federal Document Clearing House Congressional Testimony

SENATE COMMERCE GATT IMPLEMENTA­TION
October 5, 1994

Global free trade has become a sacred principle of modern economic theory, a sort of generally accepted moral dogma. That is why it is so difficult to persuade politician ­s and economists to reassess its effects on a world economy which is changing radically.

The ultimate objective of global free trade is to create a worldwide market in products, services, capital and labour. Its instrument to achieve this is GATT, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade.

I believe that GATT and the theories on which it is based are flawed. If it is implemented, it will impoverish and destabiliz­e the industrial ­ized world while at the same time cruelly ravaging the third world..."