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CRISTINA SILVA   01/ 4/11 06:09 PM ET  AP

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LAS VEGAS — The U.S. Bureau of Land Management chief blasted critics of the federal government's periodic wild horse roundups on Tuesday, calling the practice rare and necessary as he spoke at a horse slaughter summit in Las Vegas.

The roundups, which are aimed at controlling the population of horses on federal rangelands in the West, have been deemed ineffective by advocates on both sides of the debate. Animal rights groups contend they are an inhumane solution and pro-slaughter proponents declare them a waste of public money.

"These horses are part of our heritage," BLM chief Robert Abbey said to a room of more than 100 breeders, trainers and lawmakers. "Make no mistake, they deserve to be treated the best way that we can treat them."

The first Summit of the Horse on Tuesday drew advocates from across the West who slammed animal rights groups and implored the federal government to once again embrace horse meat as a legal source of nutrition, saying it is already safely consumed in dozens of countries.

Congress ended the killing of horses for human consumption in 2007 after animal-rights activists objected to the way the animals were treated.

Abbey expressed firm opposition to horse euthanasia but still faced criticism from animal rights groups for agreeing to face the pro-slaughter advocates in Nevada – a state that is home to more than half of the nation's wild horses and burros. Animal rights activists planned to protest the horse summit Tuesday.

"There are a lot of people who believe we have ulterior motives in the actions we are taking," Abbey said in an impassioned defense of the roundups. "We are not interested in eliminating wild horses from these lands."

The bureau oversees more than 38,000 wild horses and burros in 10 western states.

Abbey said the roundups, which often involve helicopters chasing horses on federal land, are the "safest and most efficient way" to gather large numbers of the animals.

"Some scrutiny of this program has crossed the line of fair criticism," Abbey said.

Abbey said the bureau is hoping its newest goal of treating roughly 1,000 mares with infertility vaccines will reduce the frequency of the roundups in the future. He also said the government will continue to promote its horse adoption program.

The summit in Las Vegas was organized by U.S. ranchers and horse owners who believe the nation's horse slaughter industry should be revived and the animals should be slaughtered and sold as food.

Sue Wallis, a Wyoming legislator and vice president of United Horsemen, said horse processing is the humane and ethical solution to controlling horse populations.

"What's happening is we've taken a valuable asset and turned it into a very expensive liability," she said. "The United States will become like Europe, where only the very wealthy will be able to afford horses."

Wallis said the federal government's policy of rounding up excess horses and storing them amounts to public welfare for horses. The Bureau of Land Management spent $66.1 million in 2010 to feed and care for horses rounded up and confined in corrals.

Critics also portray the federal program as a job killing solution that undercuts the West's tradition of ranching and meat processing.

"The Chinese are chomping at the bit to buy our horses," said former U.S. Rep Charlie Stenholm, D-Texas. "The Russians are chomping at the bit to buy our horses. Why can't we sell it to them?"

Animal rights groups, meanwhile, call the roundups cruel and accuse the Bureau of Land Management of trying to exterminate wild horses.

"The BLM looks at the issue as, 'more wild horses, more problems,'" said Ginger Kathrens, director of the horse advocacy group Cloud Foundation based in Colorado. "They destroy what is so beautiful, to sit on a hill and watch the behavior of these wild animals."

Since 2007, some horses have been trucked to Canada and Mexico for slaughter, an expensive business cost that has rendered the horse industry unprofitable, slaughter advocates argue.

Abbey said feral horses compete with other wildlife for forage and water and can quickly overwhelm an area because they have long life spans and are unlikely to be threatened by predators or disease. The Bureau of Land Management estimates wild horses could double their population in four years if left unchecked.

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01:38 PM on 01/16/2011
CATO Policy Analysis No. 234, Beyond the Grazing Fee: An Agenda for Rangeland Reform, Hess & Holechek, July 13, 1995 -

Says it all - just adjust numbers for inflation. And that would actually still be very conservative considering the escalated assult and junk science instituted by the Bush Adminsitration and yet to be corrected by Obama.
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10:05 AM on 01/15/2011
What everyone seems to be forgetting is that the only true invasive species on this land is the caucasian human species. We are the problem, and will continue to be the problem. First we remove all other species that would keep the horse population down because we want to forest the land and then build houses, and schools and etc. To many humans not enough space and resources. It's not the horses or any other species it is us. We eat to much, want to much, and simply are egotistical and selfish. In my mind that is the main problem. We should eat less, live in smaller houses, leave proper forest and grass lands available to the other species. We won't, but we should. To supposedly be so superior we are awfully selfish and ignorant.
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hauruck
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06:36 PM on 01/14/2011
Enh. Meat's meat.
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01:43 PM on 01/16/2011
Well, no, actually not all meat is equal. USDA does not regulate or inspect horse meat or any other non food pet, sport or companion animals in the USA ie dogs and cats.

The EU has for all intents and purposes banned USA horse meat due to all the chemicals routingly given to them that are toxic if the meat is eaten, such as pain meds, wormers, etc.

Me thinks these Summit people have already been eating horse meat slaughtered out back of the barn - YUM.
04:35 PM on 01/14/2011
Oops, apologies for posting a second time. I just read that Temple Grandin was at the Summit of the Horse advocating for the "humane slaughter" of horses. Now we can all relax knowing the the "humane" Dr. Grandin is on the job. (For anyone who didn't catch my sarcasm, I am indeed being sarcastic.)

http://tuesdayshorse.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/whats-wrong-with-temple-grandin/
01:00 PM on 01/14/2011
Once again, this is an example of "welfare" ranchers protecting their monopoly on resources they don't own. Welfare ranching allows public lands to be grazed by domestic cattle for private profit. Publicly-owned lands totaling an area greater in size than California and Texas combined are currently being misused by welfare ranchers. Here is was the Sierra Club has to say about about it:

"In the United States, livestock grazing has contribute­d to the listing of 22 percent of federal threatened and endangered species—al­most equal to logging (12 percent) and mining (11 percent) combined. No other human activity in the West is as responsibl­e for the decline or loss of species as is livestock production­..."

"The Sierra Club recognizes that the prepondera­nce of scientific evidence documents that grazing by non-native species has led to severe and sometimes irreversib­le degradatio­n of native ecosystems­. Federal public lands belong to the American public and must be managed to maintain their long-term ecological integrity.­"

http://www­.sierraclu­b.org/graz­ing/”

Welfare ranchers are also currently threatening the last remaining herds of wild bison in Yellowstone. Check out this current huffpost article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-bassett/let-the-buffalo-roam-yell_b_806308.html
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Counterglow
Werner Heisenberg may have been right.
08:27 PM on 01/11/2011
Horses as food? I say neigh.
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OneFish
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05:58 PM on 01/14/2011
Why not? They are neither more nor less suitable as food than any other generally accepted food animal.
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07:21 PM on 01/21/2011
Well, no, actually not all meat is equal. USDA does not regulate or inspect horse meat or any other non food pet, sport or companion animals in the USA ie dogs and cats.

Also the reason thse Summitt people are attempting State legislation that bypasses Federal USDA regualations.

The EU has for all intents and purposes banned USA horse meat due to all the chemicals routingly given to them that are toxic if the meat is eaten, such as pain meds, wormers, etc. Which leads us to the real reason for this attempt at horse slaughter - to cover up their industry problem of overbreeding - it has nothing to do with wild horses other than as an emotional smoke screen due to the current number in warehousing that should never have been rounded up in the first place..
10:07 PM on 01/09/2011
One word: NEVER
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09:29 PM on 01/08/2011
What this article leaves out is that Wyomings Sue Wallis, also of United Organization of the Horse and this Summit, also wants to feed horse meat to prisoners, the infirmed and SCHOOL CHILDREN in her state.

Wallis is also involved in attempting to by-pass all food regulations and inspections in her state - hum? Readers - check it our yourselves.

They also leave out that horse meat exported to the EU is now banned without passports verifying that the meat has no contaminates. First - that passport is a piece of paper and even wild horses that have been rounded up are given numerous injections of wormers and pain meds, etc. that are banned in the EU.

Just connect the dots.

So China wants horse meat without any such passport - and who do you thnk they will sell it back to?
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11:11 AM on 01/07/2011
Sick!
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11:08 PM on 01/06/2011
Gross
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10:45 PM on 01/06/2011
Equines are not native to our grasslands. Bovines are.

A combination of horse adoption by 'animal rights' activists, and horse meat sales should do the trick. Whatever horses the animal rights people can't adopt, well...
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09:41 PM on 01/08/2011
Equines are native to North America -

In fact North America is the birth place of the horse - check it out on Wikipedia - DNA evidence.

Hoses did, supposedly, go extinct in North American, but not before they crossed the Bearing Straight. They are now considered reintroduced native indigenous species.

What are not native are cattle. What are destructive are cattle.

Cattle that we taxpayers subsidized on public lands to the tune of over $120 million a year. Cattle that BLM happily expand into wild horse designated lands and then happily remove horses to make way for more cattle, all at taxpayer expense.

Cattle on public lands are less than 3% of all cattle grazed in the USA. Wild horses are less than 2% of all large grazing animals on public lands. Cattle outnumber wild horses from 50 to 300 to one depending on area. BLM blames wild horses for land degradation, removes more and more every year and warehouses them and allows more cattle.

Remove the cattle and return the horses - taxpayer cost = zero.
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10:18 PM on 01/08/2011
Great! So now can we get the Spaniards to 're-introduce' the elephant here just because it's precursors, the mastadon & the woolly mammoth once roamed here as well.

Bison are bovine. I'd be fine eliminating the Indo-European domesticated bovine, and replacing with Bison on public lands. But you'd still have a problem with those so called subsidies wouldn't you? Can you explain, exactly, how range cattle is subsidized? Do you mean that those lease values that ranchers who use public lands pay should be valued at a higher rate?
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11:47 PM on 01/08/2011
Maybe this one will get through...

I like elephants. The woolly mammoth disappeared from North America at the end of the Pleistocene, same as the 'horse' of that era. I think elephants should be reintroduced onto our public range lands & protected.

Bison are bovine, and never went extinct in North America like the horse did. Just a question for example's sake, if it wasn't the Indo-European bovine that was introduced to North America, but the bison that was ranged for meat production on the scale that cattle are now,
would you still be so against that so-called "subsidy"?
And can you explain to me how the "subsidy" for range cattle works? Do you mean that the lease values range ranchers pay are too low?
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12:55 AM on 01/15/2011
gold farmer, been trying to reply to your other posts but can't get through for some reason – so here foes - if that 3% is incorrect suggest you let USDA know they are incorrect. CATO Institute reports from USDA stats - that 3% of all beef grazed in the USA grazes on Public Lands - in other words neither our economy, nor the beef industry would implode if that whole 3% disappeared.

And to your other post about the cost of Public Lands Grazing - first if the land is so lousy why are cattle grazing on that same land from 50 to up to 300 head per ONE horse depending on area? Source BLM.

And you are missing the point about the grazing fees - taxpayers fork over $120 milon dollars a year in direct subsidies to cattle ranchers. Source BLM. According to CATO Institute taxpayers fork over almost 1 BILLION dollars a year in Public Lands welfare ranching in direct and indirect costs.

Now, I would be happy if cattle ranchers and sheep ranchers would just give back the 19 million acres taken from horses since 1971, BLM adjusted AMLs and HMAs scientifically, and removed all cattle from just the 60 million wild horse acres - or I and others will just continue spreading the word about the whole welfare ranching scheme encompassing all the 300 million welfare ranching acres until the Tea Party or someone else does something about this taxpayer scam/fraud.
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DanoX
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10:36 PM on 01/06/2011
Tried horse in Paris. Wasn't bad at all. As a matter of fact I think most American palates would not be able to tell it apart from beef.
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01:03 PM on 01/07/2011
brain rot
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04:53 PM on 01/09/2011
And some places in the world eat dog and cats. We don't and we don't eat horse.

Why do we even need to eat horse meat here when it is so repluslive to 90% of our society to eat companion animals?
07:48 PM on 01/09/2011
We also round up and kill feral dogs and cats. Other dogs and cats are killed simply because no one wants them.
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07:10 PM on 01/06/2011
Ooooo, I can't WAIT to try the Giddy-Up Nuggets or the Stallion Medallions! Yum! :/
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11:40 PM on 01/06/2011
ummmmm! me too! Pony Pups on a stick..

F&F Hank ;)
04:44 PM on 01/06/2011
No overpopulation of wild horses & burros exists - When is the press going to get it that there are only 20-30K wild horses & burros left in the wild in the ten Western States as opposed to 1-3M head of non-native cattle? Wild herds consume less than 2% of all forage allocated to grazing wildlife and domestic livestock on the public domain. Less than 3% of the nation’s beef is raised on public lands subsidized by the American taxpayer.

Wild horses and burros are native to N. America by fossil evidence and are wildlife by case law (ie Colvin v. Hodel) and by Congressional designation. Habitat reductions and herd removals have threatened and endangered these species of special designation. Hundreds of individual distinct herds are now extinct on the public lands. America’s wild horses and burros deserve their fair share of their legal Western public lands.
12:36 AM on 01/07/2011
You're right. These horses and burros aren't truly wild. They're a feral, invasive species that was introduced to North America by Spanish Conquistadors. As a rule, introduced species have a negative impact on native flora and fauna. (Pheasants are one of the few exceptions to this rule.) In my opinion, failure to remove these feral equines is akin to tolerating packs of feral dogs or pigs.
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09:50 PM on 01/08/2011
Not wild? Some people keep wolves as pets - that does not mean a wolf in the wild is not wild.

Horses ARE native to North America, in fact, this is the birth place of the horse. They are a reintroduced native indeginous species. If domesticated horses or cattle get out then yes they are feral - but these particular wild horses on public lalnds have been wild for 500 years - does that qualify as wild? The US Supreme court has ruled that they are wild.

Cattle are invasive and destructive. Yet we taxpayes allow BLM to remove wild horses to make way for more and more cattle.

Please do some reasearch. Start with Wikipedia and The Cloud Foundaiton. You can watch the entire Cloud Series on PBS on the internet as well for a good start.
04:43 PM on 01/06/2011
Horse slaughter & American culture & values - We don't eat horsemeat in this country so why produce/sell it to others? The meat is toxic with drugs not approved for human or other animal consumption. Horsemeat was outlawed in pet food in the 1970s. Zoos have mostly phased it out, due to the public disapproval and the toxic substances. Our domestic horses are pets/companions/friends; how could we end their lives this wretched way? If we're going to slaughter our horses for meat, then why don't we slaughter our cats and dogs for meat & sell that to Asia too? There is no way to humanely slaughter horses because of their heightened sensitivities and awareness levels and prey animal fear factor. Our wild horses & burros are protected by law. Is there any other food product produced in the U.S. and exported for human consumption that we don’t eat ourselves? Why would we do that when it is wrong on so many levels?

Here are some horse slaughter videos - all graphic displays of pure torture, in Canadian and Mexican facilities, and in U.S. facilities when the plants were still open.
To see what these poor souls endure during the transport and slaughter processes - many are injured or killed during transport - those who survive the transport are often butchered and skinned alive. Would you have that on your conscience, anyone?
http://www.sharkonline.org/?P=0000000528
http://www.kaufmanzoning.net/
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camanokat
Outta this world
08:29 AM on 01/07/2011
Fanned & Faved! Sorry, I couldn't watch the videos. We've had the good fortune to "own" a few horses (I often wonder who "owns" who) in the past. They are very intelligent and opinionated!

I could no more eat a horse than a dog or cat.