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The Giffords Gun Clip: How A 'Weapon Of Mass Destruction' Became 'The Weapon Of Choice'

First Posted: 01/10/11 06:03 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:25 PM ET

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WASHINGTON -- Is there a good reason to have 33 bullets loaded in a handgun?

This is the question being asked in the wake of the shooting of Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Ariz. over the weekend. The suspect, Jared Loughner, allegedly used a high-capacity 33-round magazine in his Glock-19 pistol. Without the need to reload as quickly, the shooter was able to effectively hold bystanders at bay, keeping them from intervening until 20 people had already been shot.

Now, with six dead and more than a dozen injured over the weekend, the few vocal gun-control advocates left in Congress are turning the political spotlight on those high-capacity clips and magazines. In the House, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), whose husband was killed and son severely injured by a gunman in 1993, said she plans to introduce legislation that would limit their availability.

"They are weapons of mass destruction," she told The Huffington Post Monday, "and they've become the weapon of choice."

Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), another fierce gun-control advocate, is working to introduce similar legislation in the upper chamber. "The only reason to have 33 bullets loaded in a handgun is to kill a lot of people very quickly," Lautenberg said in a statement.

Close followers of gun-control policy expect these bills to change little, however. Debates over gun rights have become politically one-sided, and criminology experts say that there is little evidence tying high-capacity clips to massive shooting sprees.

"Banning it would be almost totally irrelevant," said Gary Kleck, a professor of criminology at Florida State University. "It would be the mass shootings where it would make a difference, but there are probably only two mass shootings in the history of the U.S. where it could have made a difference. This [Arizona] is one of two incidents."

Besides lack of causation, however, McCarthy and Lautenberg may find themselves limited by the fact that high-capacity magazines have become, for the gun lobby, almost as cherished as the right to bear arms itself, and legislation restricting their use is likely to bring the full force of that lobby down on Congress.

"Everybody is petrified of the NRA," said McCarthy.

The history of high-capacity clips and magazines begins somewhere in the early 20th century. John Browning, the famed U.S. firearms designer, developed the basic concept of a magazine that could fire more rounds without reloading. The Browning Hi-Powered gun first made its debut in 1935, nine years after his death, and used a staggered two-column magazine that held 13 rounds and one in the chamber.

From there, more or less, the concept was applied to other guns. "If you are talking about detachable magazines, basically what you are doing is talking about a box with a spring, and one puts the bullets in the box and the spring pushes them up into the firearm and the chamber," Professor Robert Cottrol, a firearms expert at George Washington University Law School, said. "Essentially, if you have a device such as that, anybody can build a bigger box. That is essentially what we are talking about at the end of the day. It is not new technology."

The technology might not be new, but the application of it has changed over time. During World War II, German forces began using high-capacity clips on assault weapons, and Russian and U.S. forces quickly adopted similar modifications. In the 1940s and '50s, according to Cottrol, the U.S. government sold large amounts of M1 carbine rifles that took either a 15- or 30-round magazine.

In later decades, the clip gained popularity among domestic police and criminals alike. In 1967, the Illinois State Police adopted the Smith & Wesson Model 39, credited as the pioneer in law-enforcement use of automatic pistols. The high-capacity Model 59 would become more common in detective work thereafter, but the real arms race for these clips between the cops and the robbers came with socioeconomic changes in the 70s and 80s, Cottrol said.

"I think part of it got to be the increase in crime that came with the drug trade and the fear on the part of the police that they were being outgunned," he said. "Also, the general public had that same perception. If they were going to use guns for self-defense, they wanted something that would give them more firepower."

In 1994, the first real effort was made to rein in the use of high-capacity magazines. The assault-weapons ban signed into law by President Bill Clinton banned the manufacture of magazines holding 10 rounds or more. But that proved to be a bit of a Pyrrhic victory: Clinton was forced to make critical concessions to the gun lobby, grandfathering clips made before the ban and permitting the importation of foreign high-capacity magazines that were likewise developed before the ban.

Tim Diaz, author of "Making a Killing," a book about the business of guns, reported that producers simply stepped up their production and hoarded inventories before the law was passed.

When that regulation expired in 2004, President George W. Bush signaled that he would support extending a ban on semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, but there was little political will in Congress to do so.

Clinton had taken the one bite at the apple. Tragedies at Columbine and Virginia Tech could do little to convince the majority of lawmakers of the need to strengthen or re-institute gun safety laws that were derided as odious, ineffective or unconstitutional.

Not everyone, of course, sees this as a problem, including those who study criminology on an academic or scientific level. There is little data available on high-capacity clip sales, but Kleck said he suspects they aren't all that prevalent.

"I'd say magazines as large as 30 and even 20 were never popular," he said. "They aren't now among civilians and never were, simply because they make the gun cumbersome. ... I suspect they were owned as a novelty more than anything else."

And yet, there are few other pieces of fruit hanging low enough for gun-control advocates. Legislating the size of a clip is fundamentally a different issue that restricting the availability of the gun itself. Legally speaking, it's an easier lift than anything else. Politically, it's about as piecemeal as it gets.

"Unfortunately, what I've been trying to do is changed the rhetoric on guns," said McCarthy. "We have seen the NRA basically out there going state by state, what I've been trying to do is say, 'Wait a minute.' The [2008] Supreme Court ruling said everybody had a right to own a gun. So I figure, okay, that issue is off the plate for now. What they have not taken off the plate yet is that municipalities and governments are allowed to have reasonable laws to be able to protect people."

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WASHINGTON -- Is there a good reason to have 33 bullets loaded in a handgun? This is the question being asked in the wake of the shooting of Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson, Ariz. over ...
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12:19 PM on 01/17/2011
One recent example in the news, easily Googleable:
Houston, Texas
Ramon Castillo and Eva, his wife of 30 years, Jewelry Store owners face-off with three armed men who were going to tie them up and shoot them in the head. Four bullets pierced Castillo's body six times because he had to run around getting 3 different "low capacity" guns to fight back.
Castillo's condition was upgraded to fair Wednesday, and he is expected to recover fully. The family has set up a website to help with medical bills

The Bill of needs, I mean the bill of rights, doesn't require anyone justifying a "need" or "reason" to own something, else Politicians need to disclose what "options" they have in their cars and see if we approve.. Though "regular" capacity magazines in a "normal" capacity Glock could have benefited Mr. Castillo.
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06:18 PM on 01/19/2011
If they were going to shoot them in the head, why would they bother tying them up?
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06:32 PM on 01/19/2011
I "googled" the story, not a single mention of magazine size.
He shot the robbers with his shot gun.
Propaganda much?

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Police-identify-2-of-3-robbery-suspects-killed-by-Houston-jewelry-store-owner-112083964.html
09:02 PM on 01/13/2011
I wouldn't be surprised if the Secret Service was very interested in a lot of stuff coming from the GC these days.
06:33 PM on 01/13/2011
By all means, let's discuss who is bab_bling about a non-existent "ty_ran_ny", making thre_ats about "Sec_ond Amen_dment reme_dies", indul_ging in totally bo_gus alar_mist hys_teria about "con_fis_cation", invoking revol_ution & over_throwing the gov_ern_ment, and fran_tically accumulating more and more wea_pons. Yes, it's our "good buddies" on the r i g h t! Hey, folks, I can do this as many times as it takes!
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
08:53 PM on 01/13/2011
Your rants impress only you.
08:27 AM on 01/13/2011
It happens this way every time, and I mean every. The gunlovers start right away to go into their mantra of the wonderfulness of guns, and the irrelevance of gun control. We need to join the rest of the civilized world, and CONTROL guns.
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
08:57 AM on 01/13/2011
"It happens this way every time, and I mean every."

Agreed. EVERY single time some psychopath goes on a killing spree, the gun grabbers look for SOME item of said killer's paraphernalia (Glock, mag, hoodie, etc) to ban. They NEVER go after the criminal. Utterly predictably, the gun grabbers put forth yet another "common sense" regulation that will do absolutely nothing except serve as another tooth in the ratchet of civilian disarmament.
01:00 PM on 01/13/2011
Wow. Nice try at turning this on its head, but you have just proven my point. Maybe better than I could.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
03:54 PM on 01/13/2011
Actually what started right away was gun control lovers running around with their mantra of gun control.
09:08 PM on 01/12/2011
Oh, I get it...expressing a thinly veiled desire to as_sas_sinate the Pre_sident is okay, but cutting too close to the bone about the G u n Cult is not. Riiight!
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
11:11 AM on 01/14/2011
"Oh, I get it...expre­ssing a thinly veiled desire to as_sas_sin­ate the Pre_sident is okay, but cutting too close to the bone about the G u n Cult is not. Riiight! "

Where'd you get that notion? Please provide us some specifics.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
05:34 PM on 01/12/2011
Why exactly does an article railing against high capacity magazines instead have a picture showing ammunition with two different bullet types?
02:28 PM on 01/12/2011
So, how many of you "brave" defenders of "liberty" will be buying one of those as_sault rif_les with "You l i e!" etched onto (at least) one of the components?
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
09:27 PM on 01/12/2011
The civilian semi-auto AR-15s are not assault rifles. Further, the item is no longer for sale. And finally, it was only the lower received which was being sold, not a complete rifle.
02:00 PM on 01/12/2011
I'll be "civil" when those on the right stop being agg_ressively mali_cious to justify their totally self-serving idea of "liberty".
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
08:59 AM on 01/13/2011
Nothing but insults here.
hagenjr
Shovel ready freeborn son of the Republic
09:19 AM on 01/12/2011
When we become willing to trade our liberties for security we longer will have either.
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03:19 PM on 01/12/2011
Those are wise words. It's very difficult to present facts to people who do not want to hear them.
hagenjr
Shovel ready freeborn son of the Republic
09:16 AM on 01/12/2011
How many high capacity magazines do you think exist in the US?

Yet according to the author;

"Banning it would be almost totally irrelevant," said Gary Kleck, a professor of criminology at Florida State University. "It would be the mass shootings where it would make a difference, but there are probably only two mass shootings in the history of the U.S. where it could have made a difference. This [Arizona] is one of two incidents."



Why not go after drugs or poverty and get seme real 'bang' for you buck.

How many things would soon be banned if we start down this slope.

As Jefferson said;

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson
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serialcoma
Friends don't let friends watch Fox
09:01 AM on 01/12/2011
Appalling.. 6 citizens kil.led.. 12 citizens wounded.. and all the right wingers here care to discuss is the definition of an assault rifle vs. semi-automatic and whether or not more people would have been hurt and kil.led if the perp had driven a bus into the crowd....  as if those things matter to the families and friends of the fallen.

But hey... they get to keep their 30 round magazines and all think they're a John Wayne / Wyatt Earp hybrid.. what could possibly be wrong with that.....
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
01:46 PM on 01/12/2011
"But hey... they get to keep their 30 round magazines and all think they're a John Wayne / Wyatt Earp hybrid.. what could possibly be wrong with that..... "

We can start with your rude presumption of how we all think.
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serialcoma
Friends don't let friends watch Fox
01:56 PM on 01/12/2011
You're the one that assumes I'm talking about you.. a little guilt perhaps?
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glockman
08:45 AM on 01/12/2011
"In later decades, the clip gained popularity among domestic police and criminals alike"

Technically, box magazines like used in most semi-auto pistols, or AR type rifles, etc. are not clips. They are magazines. Clips are used in rifles like the M1 Garand. A clip holds a number of rounds that can be inserted into a magazine, usually a fixed box type magazine like that of the aforementioned M1.
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Ampoliros
Semper Fidelis Tyrannosaurus!
07:07 PM on 01/11/2011
"Banning it would be almost totally irrelevant," said Gary Kleck, a professor of criminology at Florida State University. "It would be the mass shootings where it would make a difference, but there are probably only two mass shootings in the history of the U.S. where it could have made a difference. This [Arizona] is one of two incidents."

Excellent point. We should wait until we have more mass shootings before we make it harder for them to happen.
WilliamBudd
Be obscure clearly.
07:58 PM on 01/11/2011
That guy is a professor?
He doesn't sound like he's done much critical thinking or logical deduction.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
09:20 AM on 01/12/2011
Where is he wrong, and what are your qualifications to decide?
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
05:37 PM on 01/12/2011
He is an anti-gun professor of criminology who has been studying the firearm issues for well over a decade.
WilliamBudd
Be obscure clearly.
08:46 PM on 01/11/2011
"Banning it would be almost totally irrelevant. It would be the mass shootings where it would make a difference..."
Perhaps the surviving victims and their families would be better arbiters of the "irrelevance".
Kleck, with the benefit of access to libraries of information and years to study it hasn't learned to deduce that relevance is relative.
Proof that a sheepskin is not an indicator of intelligence.
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Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
09:20 AM on 01/12/2011
Which we've been saying about Obama for 5 years!
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
01:48 PM on 01/12/2011
"Kleck, with the benefit of access to libraries of informatio­n and years to study it hasn't learned to deduce that relevance is relative."

Kleck, unlike you, is an expert on defensive gun uses. He has conducted some of the most important original research. So far, you have produced nothing except your derision.
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dtairtime
It is what it is
06:57 PM on 01/11/2011
Far too many people cling to far too many falicies about guns, recent common gun control ideas and how effective they may be.

Most would agree that instead of having 33 round clips we could limit it to 11 round clips and probably not be considered "too many" rounds by the average person with little gun knowledge.

The difference between the two is so small that with only a little training a shooter can easily change clips so rapidly that no bystander would likely have a tactical advantage over a shooter with a single 33 round clip.

So limit the clip size and nothing would have changed in this situation.

Instead why not put that same money and motivation into something that might change the outcome? Why not push for more mental health reporting requirements for all government employees? Why not give mental health workers the ability to do something instead of tying their hands? Why not stick to harsh sentences when criminals use guns?

Why not actually do something viable?
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pdferguson
Micro-bios? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bios!
11:21 AM on 01/12/2011
Yes, it WOULD have changed this situation. Six dead and fourteen wounded don't fit into an 11 round clip. They do fit into a 33 round clip. The math really is that simple.

Why not actually do something viable? THIS IS SOMETHING VIABLE!
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
01:50 PM on 01/12/2011
"Yes, it WOULD have changed this situation. Six dead and fourteen wounded don't fit into an 11 round clip. They do fit into a 33 round clip. The math really is that simple."

However, they fit very nicely into TWO 11-round magazines (NOT "clip"). The only difference is a 1-2 second delay, plus more reliability in the magazines.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
05:40 PM on 01/12/2011
For anyone with much experience, the difference between one 30 cartridge mag, two 15 cartridge mags, and three 10 cartridge mags is negligable. In fact, it was probably due to unweildy size of the 32 cartridge mags this guy was using that bystanders had a window to rush and tackle him.
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Uncle Bill
ex-lawyer and teacher
10:47 AM on 01/19/2011
"The difference between the two is so small that with only a little training a shooter can easily change clips so rapidly that no bystander would likely have a tactical advantage over a shooter with a single 33 round clip." If there is no difference between 10 round magazines and 30 round magazines, then there is no need for 30 round magazines and they can be banned without any effect on lawful gun users.