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Norquist Decries Lack Of Conservative Debate On Afghanistan

First Posted: 01/12/11 11:49 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:25 PM ET

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A prominent conservative thinker is calling on Republicans to begin a serious debate about the war in Afghanistan, its costs and what Ronald Reagan would do in the same circumstances.

And while Grover Norquist stopped short of personally calling for a rapid withdrawal, he made it clear Tuesday night that he thinks an honest conversation on the right would inevitably lead to that conclusion.

"I'm confident about where that conversation would go," he told attendees of a dinner sponsored by the New America Foundation. "And I think the people who are against that conversation know where it would go, too."

Norquist said he was aiming his plea to "the people who voted for Ronald Reagan, or would have." And he pointed out that Reagan's response to the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon, which cost 241 American lives, was not to occupy Lebanon.

"His reaction to the Lebanon bombing was not to stay, it was to leave," Norquist said. "Ronald Reagan didn't decide to fix Lebanon. I think that's helpful in getting the conversation going on the right."

Norquist said conservatives recognize the weakness of the arguments for the war, which is why they don't often make them.

He scoffed at the notion that fighting two wars was making American stronger. "Being tied up there does not advance American power," he said. "If you've got a fist in the tar baby Iraq and you've got a fist in the tar baby Afghanistan, then who's afraid of you?"

His word choice was vivid, but problematic. "Tar baby" is often used as shorthand to describe an inextricable problem or situation, but it is also a derogatory term for black people. Such public figures as Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney and former White House press secretary Tony Snow have taken flak for using the term.

Norquist, the spirited leader of the anti-tax wing of the Republican Party, also noted that the cost argument alone is a potent one against the war.

The Congressional Research Service estimates that total Afghan war funding in fiscal year 2011 will hit $119 billion, up from $19 billion in 2006 -- and all that in a country with an annual gross domestic product of less than $12 billion.

Norquist said the question for those who want to reduce government spending is this: "If you don't take $10 billion out of the occupation of Afghanistan, you're going to take it out where?"

He said the debate about the war in Afghanistan should include discussion "about the vast expenditures of cash, the vast expenditures of other people lives, and the opportunity cost" of money and effort that could be expended elsewhere.

"It seems to me that it has been more expensive than not. And it has made America weaker than otherwise," he said.

A recent CNN poll found that while 63 percent of the general public now opposes U.S. involvement, support remains strong -- 52 percent -- among Republicans and Tea Partiers.

But a new poll of conservatives set for release today -- commissioned by the Afghanistan Study Group, which supports a rapid withdrawal -- finds that when asked about the costs of war and its impact on the deficit, about two-thirds of conservatives and Tea Partiers describe themselves as very worried or somewhat worried.

Norquist also suggested that many prominent conservatives privately hold the view that the war in Afghanistan should end quickly.

But they certainly aren't saying so in public. Six months ago, The Huffington Post compiled a list of 20 Republicans who had come out against the war in Afghanistan, part of what we called a "small but growing movement." It turns out we were only right about that first part.

Not one prominent Republican has called for withdrawal since then that we know of -- not even among the Tea Party-heavy freshman class in Congress.

Indeed, Norquist's call for debate on the right faced considerable skepticism from some members of his dinnertime audience, who expressed strong doubts that the Republican Party generally -- and especially any Republican candidate for president in 2012 -- would ever abandon the ability to use national security as a weapon with which to bludgeon President Barack Obama and other Democrats.

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Dan Froomkin is senior Washington correspondent for the Huffington Post. You can send him an e-mail, bookmark his page; subscribe to RSS feed, follow him on Twitter, friend him on Facebook, and/or become a fan and get e-mail alerts when he writes.

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A prominent conservative thinker is calling on Republicans to begin a serious debate about the war in Afghanistan, its costs and what Ronald Reagan would do in the same circumstances. And while Grove...
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05:12 PM on 01/29/2011
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/12/norquist-afghanistan-debate-conservative_n_807947.html

"A prominent conservative thinker is calling on Republicans to begin a serious debate about the war in Afghanistan, its costs and what Ronald Reagan would do in the same circumstances.

And while Grover Norquist stopped short of personally calling for a rapid withdrawal, he made it clear Tuesday night that he thinks an honest conversation on the right would inevitably lead to that conclusion."

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CroatianCritter
is keeping people honest
09:04 PM on 01/17/2011
I have warned liberals for some time about this. Real "conservatives" can not call themselves that when they harp about government spending and yet support public funding of wars. The liberals have controlled the anti-war movement since the 1960s. But they abandoned it after Obama got elected (If you guys are still anti-war, why aren't you putting the screws to our president? You abanoned the anti-war movement to get some corporate friendly public programs passed. Was it worth it?) The conservatives will take this issue away from you in the future if you don't take it seriously. There are good Republicans like the Pauls who truly do not believe in interventionism and empire and the number is growing. Before you know it, the conservatives will be the anti-war party again. I am an anti-war, anti-corporatist libertarian. What do you liberals stand for? Was the election of Obama a Faustian bargain?
04:26 AM on 01/16/2011
This is an example of what a great journalist does. They cross the ideological divide looking to people who have something different to say-- even though Gordon Norquist is hardly a fan of HuffPo readers. That there is not much of a debate on the Afghan issue among conservatives is something you think you would hear about on Fox on NRO online. Instead Dan Froomkin told you about it. One of the reasons that he has been named a courageous journo of his generation.

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11:34 PM on 01/14/2011
Oy! 'Tar Baby' is derived from old African-American tales. I first read it in 'Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby' .
It also is the title of a Toni Morrison novel.
No where racist.
04:57 PM on 01/14/2011
If you want to make a point about what Norquist said, make it. Don't invoke corkscrewy voodoo of political etiquette. 'Tar baby" is a legitimate term because it refers to sticky quagmire in a published story. You don't want to underline absurdity of "sensitivity", do you?
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senatortruth
Fox keeps me "INFROMED"!
02:15 PM on 01/14/2011
Another Buhs TRAITTOR MIC welfare quueeeennnn....

LOL!
09:13 AM on 01/14/2011
While I'm inclined to agree with Norquist on the subject at hand...

1) Bringing Reagan into it is dumb on a few levels. For one thing, he's dead and we don't know what he'd think. For another, few presidents hiked defense spending more than he did.

2) Can we puh-leaze quit making every usage of the term "tar-baby" into a linguistic scandal? I think we all know what he meant, and it didn't have anything to do with race.
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03:54 PM on 01/13/2011
Is that a cantaloupe you are pointing at Grover?
02:50 PM on 01/13/2011
There’s been an awful lot of partisan bologna over the past 10 years with regard to George W. Bush.

I’ve noticed it at web sites like Townhall and Huffington Post. A lot of the confusion stems from the neoconservative takeover of the Republican Party foreign policy apparatus, which hopefully is being reversed.

The partisan idiocy goes something like this:

If you support George W. Bush, you are a Conservative. If you do not, you are a liberal.

Despite what these partisan web sites claim, that is certainly not the way real Conservatives think.

There are a couple of Presidents many Conservatives compare with George W. Bush. Hoover is one. But another is Lyndon Johnson. In terms of explosive growth in domestic spending and military adventurism abroad, Bush is more like LBJ than any other President in recent memory -- and that is the primary reason he was a failure. His military adventurism is the primary reason many big government liberals gave him a blank check on his follies in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it is why Obama’s Afghanistan policy is just as non-sensical as Bush’s.

W. was not a Conservative in virtually ANY category. Most people are catching on to this. People at Huffingon Post are loathe to acknowledge Conservative disdain for W. because they would like to use W. as a way to discredit Conservatism.
01:42 PM on 01/13/2011
Conservative debate? Does that mean more approval for the warmongering?
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BBROWN69
Love my Country, but I don't trust my Government.
12:31 PM on 01/13/2011
Its nice to hear that a member of the GOP wants to debate the war. But isn't it a little too late. The GOP are the ones that lied to get us into this mess in the first place. Where was his call for debate then?
12:17 PM on 01/13/2011
Those of us who do not support the war in Afghanistan should welcome Mr. Norquist's comments. After all he is a highly visible and articulate spokesman for conservative issues. It is long past time that Americans need to have a national debate about the years of frustration, failure and the promise of more to come.
How many readers saw the comments made by Hamid Karzai last October to our ambassador Eikenberry and general Petraeus where he said that America was his enemy? Did you hear any sounds of outrage coming from the congress or President Obama or his advisors? Would you want to send your son or daughter to fight and maybe die for this guy?
11:14 AM on 01/13/2011
More unhinged Reagan worship. These people are twisted.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
10:18 AM on 01/13/2011
I see, Grover.

Coming to the afghan war debate almost a decade late.
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mcmutter
A Groover has to expect a few setbacks .....
08:50 AM on 01/13/2011
Somebody needs to give Grover a gigantic wedgie ....