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Obama Arizona Speech: 'I Want America To Be As Good As She Imagined It'

Obama Arizona Speech

The Huffington Post/AP   First Posted: 01/12/11 07:00 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:25 PM ET

TUCSON, Ariz. — Summoning the soul of a nation, President Barack Obama on Wednesday implored Americans to honor those slain and injured in the Arizona shootings by becoming better people, telling a polarized citizenry that it is time to talk with each other "in a way that heals, not in a way wounds." Following a hospital bedside visit with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the target of the assassination, he said: "She knows we're here, and she knows we love her."

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In a memorably dramatic moment, the president said that Giffords, who on Saturday was shot point-blank in the head, had opened her eyes for the first time shortly after his hospital visit. First lady Michelle Obama held hands with Giffords' husband, Mark Kelly, as the news brought soaring cheers throughout the arena.

Speaking at a memorial at the University of Arizona, Obama bluntly conceded that there is no way to know what triggered the shooting rampage that left six people dead, 13 others wounded and the nation shaken. He tried instead to leave indelible memories of the people who were gunned down and to rally the country to use the moment as a reflection on the nation's behavior and compassion.

"I believe we can be better," Obama said to a capacity crowd in the university's basketball arena – and to countless others watching around the country. "Those who died here, those who saved lives here – they help me believe. We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."

In crafting his comments, Obama clearly sought a turning point in the raw debate that has defined national politics. After offering personal accounts of every person who died, he challenged anyone listening to think of how to honor their memories, and he was not shy about offering direction. He admonished against any instinct to point blame or to drift into political pettiness or to latch onto simple explanations that may have no merit.

Speaking of Christina Taylor Green, the nine-year-old who was killed on Saturday, Obama said:

That's what I believe, in part because that's what a child like Christina Taylor Green believed. Imagine: here was a young girl who was just becoming aware of our democracy; just beginning to understand the obligations of citizenship; just starting to glimpse the fact that someday she too might play a part in shaping her nation's future. She had been elected to her student council; she saw public service as something exciting, something hopeful. She was off to meet her congresswoman, someone she was sure was good and important and might be a role model. She saw all this through the eyes of a child, undimmed by the cynicism or vitriol that we adults all too often just take for granted.

I want us to live up to her expectations. I want our democracy to be as good as she imagined it. All of us - we should do everything we can to make sure this country lives up to our children's expectations.

He also deviated from his prepared remarks, saying emphatically, "I want America to be as good as she imagined it."

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Giffords' flight has arrived in Houston, KOLD reports.

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Rep. Giffords is heading towards Houston. The Arizona congresswoman's trip includes portions via ambulance, helicopter and jet. The AP reports that she will "undergo weeks of rigorous therapy."

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Photos of Rep. Giffords' motorcade earlier on Friday as she began the trip to Houston.

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AP reports on one victim's memories of Judge John Roll's heroic actions the day the tragic shootings rocked Tucson:

Ron Barber can remember the small details of the Tucson rampage: The gunman, the crackle of gunfire, lying on the ground, wounded, and the weight of a body on him.

A week and a half later, Barber found out that it was his good friend John Roll.

Then he learned the federal judge may have helped save his life.

Full story here.

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Judge John Roll's wife, Maureen, has issued a statement in response to her husband's tragic death and the events that unfolded in Tucson, AZ Central reports:

There are no words to describe how my world was shattered on Saturday morning, Jan. 8, 2011. Not only did I lose John Roll, my husband and best friend of more than 40 years, but our three sons lost a wonderful father and our grandchildren their beloved papa.

But something else happened that day and in the days that have followed.

Read the full statement here.

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Giffords' family reported that she felt the sunshine on her face today for the first time since she was shot. Her office released the below photograph of the congresswoman's bed on a hospital deck, with husband Mark Kelly by her side.

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Arizona's KFDA reports that Congresswoman Giffords will be transferred to Houston's TIRR Memorial Hermann hospital at 9am local time tomorrow:

Officials at University Medical Center in Tucson say the congresswoman is expected to leave shortly after 9 a.m. local time and travel by ambulance to Davis-Monthan Air Force Base for a medical flight to Texas.

A group of motorcycle riders from a Veterans of Foreign Wars post will escort the ambulance.

Once in Houston, she will be taken by helicopter to TIRR Memorial Hermann hospital.

Traveling with Giffords will be her husband, Mark Kelly; her mother, Gloria Giffords; trauma surgeon Dr. Peter Rhee and an intensive care unit nurse.

Full article here.

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AZ Central reports on the terms of Loughner's indictments, and what would constitute the death penalty:

Superseding indictments could come as early as 60 days in the murders of U.S. District Judge John Roll and Giffords' aide Gabe Zimmerman. Sources indicated that the indictments would be done piecemeal in order to meet constitutional requirements.

The federal criminal code allows penalties of up to life in prison for an attempted assassination of a member of Congress. When federal murder charges follow, prosecutors could seek the death penalty.

Full story here.

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The AP reports on a video that has surfaced of the shooting rampage:

John Roll was called a fair federal judge and a loving family man at his funeral. Now, some are also calling him a hero.

Surveillance footage of the Jan. 8 shooting rampage in Tucson showed that he used his body as a shield to cover an injured man. Roll then took a bullet to the back, and lost his life in the process.

Full story here.

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The AP reports:

Giffords' family hopes to move the Arizona congresswoman on Friday to TIRR Memorial Hermann hospital in Houston, where her husband lives and works as an astronaut. The exact day of the move will depend on her health.

"I am extremely hopeful at the signs of recovery that my wife has made since the shooting," Mark Kelly said in a statement released by Giffords' congressional office. The staff at University Medical Center in Tucson "has stabilized her to the point of being ready to move to the rehabilitation phase."

Full story here.

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The AP reports that shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner has been indicted on three counts, attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and trying to kill two of her aids.

Full story here.

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Tucson's KVOA just reported that Congresswoman Giffords successfully stood on her own two feet today and sat in her hospital chair looking out the window. She will be relocated to Houston later this week for further rehabilitation treatment.

KVOA reports:

Dr. Rhee would not confirm that Giffords will leave for TIRR Memorial Hermann Rehabilitation Hospital in Houston on Friday, but he says the transition from UMC to the next hospital will be seamless.

TIRR is one of the top-rated rehabilitation hospitals in the country, and has been recognized for this for the past 21 years, according to U.S. News and World Report. The hospital was chosen for its rehabilitation program and its relative proximity to Tucson, Giffords' husband Mark Kelly says.

Full story here.

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From the Associated Press:

Donated corneas from the young girl killed in the Arizona mass shooting have saved the eyesight of two children, the girl's father told The Associated Press on Monday.

John Green said the Donor Network of Arizona told him and his wife about the successful transplants.

He said he doesn't know whether any of 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green's other organs have gone to any other children, but he's under the impression that her wounds rendered her internal organs unusable.

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Eric Fuller, the Arizona shooting victim who was arrested on Saturday after saying "you're dead" to a Tea Party leader, "is apologetic and very sad" about his behavior, a friend tells CNN.

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Former President Bill Clinton's statement on Martin Luther King Day includes the following warning, directly after mentioning the shooting in Arizona: "While no one intends their words or actions to incite the violence we saw in Tucson – and it’s wrong for anyone to suggest otherwise – we live in a world where what we say and how we say it can be read, heard, or seen by those who understand exactly what we mean and by those whose inner demons take them to a very different place."

His full statement:

"Dr. Martin Luther King once wrote that nonviolence means 'not only avoiding external physical violence but also internal violence of the spirit.' Today as we honor what would have been Dr. King’s 92nd birthday a little more than a week after a shooter took the lives of six people and wounded 13 others in Arizona, including a member of Congress, we’d all do well to heed this message. While no one intends their words or actions to incite the violence we saw in Tucson – and it’s wrong for anyone to suggest otherwise – we live in a world where what we say and how we say it can be read, heard, or seen by those who understand exactly what we mean and by those whose inner demons take them to a very different place.

"That’s not an argument against free speech, but a reminder that, as with all freedoms, its use carries with it responsibility. Therefore, we should follow the example Dr. King set and exercise our freedom of speech in ways that both clarify our honest differences and nurture the best of us rather than bring out the worst. We must not let our political differences degenerate into demonization. Our opponents are just as convinced they’re right as we are. And we must constantly reaffirm the conviction that our common humanity is more important than our differences.

"That’s why America’s founders established as our permanent mission the formation of a more perfect union. That’s why Dr. King reminded us that we are all caught up in an 'inescapable web of mutuality.' That’s why he taught us to remember that, in the face of evil, only light can push out darkness and only love can push out hate. Living those lessons is something we can all do to honor Rep. Gabby Giffords and the other victims of the tragedy in Tucson."

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NBC News will air an interview with Dick Cheney on Tuesday night, his first since undergoing heart surgery last July. According to advance excerpts from NBC, the former vice president rejects the idea that the shooting in Arizona is connected to the nation's political rhetoric.

Scroll down for Cheney's remarks. The full interview airs on Tuesday on NBC's "Today" show and "NBC Nightly News."

JAMIE GANGEL: "We don't know what motivated this young man, but immediately there was an uproar about contentious political rhetoric being responsible. Whether it's Sarah Palin using words like, "Don't retreat, reload," or President Obama in 2008 said, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun," are those kinds of metaphors dangerous? Do you think the political rhetoric has gotten out of control?"

DICK CHENEY: "Well, I think we have to be a little bit careful here-- about a rush to judgment. Trying to explain the event when we don't really know everything we need to know in order to be able to make sort of a final judgment. There's a lot more I'd like to know about the man who was the perpetrator of this awful crime.

"And I think we need to be a little careful about assuming that somehow the rest of society or the political class bears the responsibility for what happened here when it was the act of a deranged, crazed individual that committed a crime.

"I think our politics can get pretty rough at times. Having been vice president for eight years, maybe I'm more (CHUCKLES) sensitive to it than others, but the fact of the matter is, a good, tough political fights is one of the great strengths of our democracy. And so I think we have to be cautious I guess about jumping to conclusions here about the extent to which the sort of the political environment contributed to or caused this event. I think the event was caused by a deranged individual. And-- that's where we ought to look in terms of trying to assess guilt.

"In the meantime certainly there's nothing wrong with, and I wouldn't be critical about people who are saying, "Look, we need to be careful about our rhetoric. We need to treat one another with respect during the course of our political debates," and so forth. I think that's always good, sound advice.

"But I don't think we should anticipate that we can somehow take a system that was designed for political combat, if you will, between the parties, between ideas, between principles and set that aside. I wouldn't want to do that. That's the heart and soul of our political system. And that's basically a good thing."

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Suzi Hileman, who was injured at Arizona's shooting, is haunted by the killing of nine-year-old Christina Taylor Green. Hileman took Green to the meet-and-greet where the shooting occurred.

In her dreams, Suzi kept reliving the last moments before she lost consciousness: lying on her side in a parking lot, face-to-face with her 9-year-old neighbor, Christina-Taylor Green, whom she had taken that day to meet their congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords.

They held hands, like grandmother and granddaughter, as they waited to meet Giffords.

"The sadness of it is bottomless," Bill Hileman said as he took a break from his bedside vigil at Tucson's University Medical Center. "She took a friend's kid away and didn't bring her back."

Read the Los Angeles Times for the full story.

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The AP reports that the Arizona shooting is leading to a wave of proposed legislation aiming to enhance, not curtail, gun rights:

The shooting in Tucson brought new attention to the national gun control debate after authorities said the rampage was carried out by a man who couldn't get into the military because of his drug use and had repeated run-ins with police at his community college because of his bizarre mental behavior. Jared Loughner bought the 9 mm handgun legally at a Tucson gun store, and was also carrying extended magazines that hold 30 rounds of ammunition.

Arizona Republicans remain adamant that the shooting will not dissuade them from pushing their pro-gun agenda.

They want new laws allowing college and university faculty members to be able to carry concealed weapons on campus, an issue that gained attention after the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech University. Only Utah has a law allowing concealed weapons on college campuses while 24 states have bans, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

More here.

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The AP reports:

TUCSON, Ariz. — Doctors have successfully performed a surgery on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' eye socket to remove bone fragments as the wounded congresswoman showed more signs of improvement.

There were no complications from the surgery, and Giffords is improving so much that she was able to give her husband a back rub.

Dr. Randall Friese said Mark Kelly also told doctors he saw Giffords smile. He said sometimes people see what they want to see, but that "if he says she's smiling, I buy it."

Giffords still cannot speak because of a tracheotomy done so the breathing tube could be removed from her mouth.

Dr. Michael Lemole says the eye operation entailed making an incision above the eyebrow, removing bone chips to relieve pressure and reconstructing the roof of the socket.

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Mark Kelly, the husband of Rep. Giffords, will give his first interview on Tuesday night. ABC has released excerpts of the interview, and in one portion Kelly says that Giffords is now able to give him a back rub:

"[It is] so typical of her. She's in the ICU. You know, gone through this traumatic injury. And she spent 10 minutes giving me a neck massage. I keep tellin' her. I'm like, 'Gabby, you're in the ICU. You know, you don't need -- you know, you don't need to be doin' this.' But it's so typical of her that no matter how bad the situation might be for her, you know, she's lookin' out for other people."

The astronaut also says he is "probably" willing to meet with the parents of alleged shooter Jared Loughner:

"I'd probably see them. You know, I don't think it's their fault. It's not the parents fault. You know, I'd like to think I'm a person that's, you know, somewhat forgiving. And, I mean, they've got to be hurting in this situation as much as much as anybody."

Below is a promotional clip for the interview.

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CBS's "60 Minutes" spoke with two of Jared Loughner's friends, and the show also obtained a voicemail left by the alleged shooter the night before the fatal rampage.

People are gonna say he doesn't believe in anything but it's not that he doesn't believe in anything he literally believes in nothing, nothingness," one friend tells Scott Pelley.

Scroll down for video.

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Mark Kelly, husband of Gabrielle Giffords, is asking people to volunteer today -- Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.

A statement released through Giffords' campaign chair, Michael McNulty, quotes Kelly as saying:

Many of you have asked how you can help and how you can honor the memory of those who were wounded or lost their lives. What united the victims of the tragedy on Saturday was service – they volunteered in church or at soup kitchens, worked in government, and tended to their communities. On behalf of Gabby and our family, I ask that you consider honoring their commitment to service by dedicating a few hours on Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, this Monday, January 17th, to volunteer in your community.

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Jared Lee Loughner may be tried in San Diego instead of Tucson on charges related to the fatal shootings from last weekend.

The Washington Post is reporting that federal authorities are making plans for the move to California, which must be approved by new chief judge Roslyn O. Silver. A law enforcement official told the Post, "it's going to happen. It's just a matter of time.'' They add:

Federal officials said San Diego would get the case in part because it's one of the closest judicial districts to Arizona. A San Diego-based federal judge, Larry A. Burns, was appointed last week to hear the case because Arizona judges recused themselves. Judy Clarke, Loughner's attorney, is also based there.

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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' husband, Mark Kelly, spoke at a memorial on Sunday for Gabriel Zimmerman. He said that his wife was "improving a little bit each day. She’s a fighter."

It was Kelly's first public appearance since his wife was shot in the Arizona attack that killed Zimmerman, an aide for Giffords.

“I know someday she’ll get to tell you how she felt about Gabe herself,” Mr. Kelly said.

His wife loved Mr. Zimmerman “like a younger brother,” he said, and was inspired by “his idealism, his strength and his warmth.”

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The University of Arizona, where Giffords is in the hospital, has announced that her condition has been upgraded:

Three patients from the tragic shooting a week ago remain at UMC. Two are listed in good condition and U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords has been upgraded to serious condition from critical because she is no longer on a ventilator.

The Congresswoman continues to do well. She is breathing on her own. Yesterday’s procedures were successful and uneventful.

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On Sunday, Rep. Grace Napolitano (D-Calif.) and Rep. Tim Murphy (R-P.A.), co-founders of the Congressional Mental Health Caucus, appeared on CNN's "State of the Union" to discuss the need for improved response to mental illness in the wake of the Arizona shootings.

"I believe that we are not informing and educating the public enough to be able to help them be able to make the decision to help those they love," Napolitano told host Candy Crowley. "Unfortunately it does not hit the radar scope in Washington or almost in any state house … It's always something you don't talk about, you don't discuss because of the stigma, and I think we need to address that heavily."

Murphy said he hopes lawmakers at both the federal and state levels now "look carefully at their mental health systems and their involuntary commitment system laws," to prevent future attacks.

Read more of the interview and watch the video here.

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Mark Kelly, Rep. Giffords' husband, sits down for his first TV interview since the shootings with Diane Sawyer on a special edition of "20/20", ABC News announced today.

The program will air Tuesday night at 10:00 pm EST.

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New details have emerged about Jared Loughner's movements the night before he allegedly killed six people and wounded 13 in a Tucson, the AP reports:

He wandered through the dark streets of his hometown, meandering from one store to another on a furious all-night excursion as he prepared what authorities say were the final steps in taking revenge on a world from which he'd become progressively alienated.

Jared Loughner checked into a down-and-out motel. He picked up photos showing him holding a Glock 19 while wearing only a bright red G-string. He bought ammunition on one of three trips to two different Walmarts.

He called a high-school pot-smoking buddy, ran away from his father into a cactus-dotted desert and updated his MySpace profile to say, "Goodbye friends."

Read the who account here.

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ABC News' Christiane Amanpour visited Tucson to gather witnesses and victims together for the first time since last weekend's tragedy. ABC News reports on the event:

The colonel who wrestled the gunman to ground, the petite woman who knocked away his ammunition, the heroic intern who staunched the Congresswoman's bleeding – all joined Amanpour in Tucson. Other Members of Congress came to the town hall as well: Rep. Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., and Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., along with former Arizona Rep. Jim Kolbe. All the victims of the tragedy were invited and a thoughtful, forthright and stirring conversation ensued.

Anna Ballis, who was at the Safeway one week ago, talked to Amanpour about the moment of the shooting. She had intended to go the grocery store, but never made it inside. She remembered seeing Christina-Taylor Green, moments before the nine-year-old girl was killed. "I do remember looking over and seeing Christina, and she was quite excited about meeting the congresswoman, jumping up and down. And, unfortunately, she never made it," Ballis said, choking back tears.

Read the whole story and watch video excerpts here.

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Tucson's KGUN published a piece detailing the witnesses and victims who attended Christiane Amanpour's town hall on the Arizona shooting, during which the local Tea Party leader Trent Humphries received threats from shooting victim Eric Fuller.

KGUN reports:

It was the first time most of them had been together since Jared Lee Loughner opened fire in a Safeway parking lot, killing 6, and wounding or injuring 14 others -- a rampage that happened one week earlier almost to the hour.

On the platform with Amanpour were Col. Bill Badger, who helped tackle gunman Jared Lee Loughner; Daniel Hernandez, who ran to help wounded Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords while most people were ducking for cover, Patricia Maisch, who grabbed a magazine away from Loughner; Bill Hileman, whose wife, Susan, is still recovering from gunshot wounds.

On the front row was Kenneth Dorushka, who was shot shielding his wife from Loughner's gunfire; and J. Eric Fuller, who was shot in the knee.

Read the whole story here.

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TUCSON, Ariz. — Summoning the soul of a nation, President Barack Obama on Wednesday implored Americans to honor those slain and injured in the Arizona shootings by becoming better people, tellin...
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deadfed
09:03 PM on 01/17/2011
Interesting critique on my blog of Obama's actions on the Arizona shootings entitled, "16,000 PEOPLE MURDERED IN THE U.S. – I GUESS THOSE PEONS DON’T REALLY COUNT UNLESS THEY WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT…"

http://deadfed.com/
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The Mad Guesser
People are alike all over.
04:42 PM on 01/15/2011
Obama's challenge to raise America's morals, intellect, and consciousness to that of a 9 year old child, is too frustrating. Obama's speech could have set forth more modest and attainable goals, such as raising America to the level of a 3-year-old's imagination. That's the functioning level of a Cocker Spaniel, who barks much less than Americans do, so it is easier to quantify as to when we reach that civility level.
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The Mad Guesser
People are alike all over.
04:28 PM on 01/15/2011
I want America to be even better than a 9 year old had imagined it: I want America to be what I imagined (or some say) "hallucinated it" when I dropped Acid back in 'Nam in the 60's with MY G.I. issued AK 47. No...wait! I think we've already made it to that point, so maybe a nine-year-old child's hallucination would be an even better goal. Darwin agrees, but he told me he'd patiently wait a few million years for the humans to reach that level, the level the Speaking Monkeys from Borneo have already attained.
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sus2222
My micro-biology is FULL
01:21 PM on 01/15/2011
US VS THEM is a theme and game that plays out in current day America and cannot be won.
Defensive and accusatory types pervade in the Tea Party. This is YESTERDAY'­S THINKING.
TAKE BACK AMERICA means they want their (perceived­) former power position where whites ran the businesses and others picked cotton and stayed quiet. Those days are gone. Latinos, Indians, Germans, Canadians, Jews, Chinese, African Americans, even Vietnamese and MORE, NOW make up a larger percentage of America than ever. This somewhat minimalize­s white folks living in rural areas who have not quite kept up. I know Chinese Families who have 3 sons who are Doctors. No wonder old-school White American Families rail against education. They are not getting enough. Tea Party Types must feel THREATENED on a deep level as they are shrinking in numbers and in influence. OUCH ! They have become the Party of FEAR.
Lack of compassion­, depth, and understand­ing will NOT be overcome with an overabunda­nce of guns. They need to understand their place in the American scene, come to grips with it, and JOIN and contribute to American culture in a positive manner before they are marginaliz­ed further.
The NUMBERS at the VOTING BOOTH continue to reflect the same conflict. If 20% of voters pull for , let's say, Sarah Palin she will loose to a conglomera­te coalition of educated forward-lo­oking American Citizens.
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Ergon
Man From Atlan
12:48 PM on 01/15/2011
I can understand the President giving a speech, but Attorneyt General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano?
The service, sadly, became a political show.
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sus2222
My micro-biology is FULL
01:35 PM on 01/15/2011
People see what they want to see.
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Dr. Cara Barker
author, artist, and Jungian Analyst,
03:51 PM on 01/15/2011
Consider yourself newly fanned, sus2222. Yes, you are so right. For some, the glass is half-full, and others, half-empty. It's all about perception mixed with a willingness for an open mind. Keep showing up, here, in HP land, and everywhere, as you are. You are a delight, pure and simple. I'm lovin' it!

Joy your way,
Cara
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cjk002
Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress
02:53 PM on 01/15/2011
They read passages from the bible, and said nothing about politics.
10:53 AM on 01/15/2011
Obama, I have no serious quarrels with you, but if you want America to be as good as she imagined, I'll give the same advice I had for Bush "Stop spending our great-grandchildrens' hard earned chinese borrowed tax-payer dollars".
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Dr. Cara Barker
author, artist, and Jungian Analyst,
03:53 PM on 01/15/2011
O.K., Reg,
Just have to fan you for this message. I adore people who are willing to stand up and speak out, especially when they maintain compassion and tolerance. Keep it up. We need you sorely.

Joy your way,
Cara
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dcbarton
07:27 AM on 01/15/2011
"What is one to make of Sarah Palin's defensive, bitter, self-centered speech in response to the mass killings in Arizona?"
One is supposed to realize that Sarah Palin was blamed for something she had no part in, and she wasn't at fault for what happened. Paul Begala should rfecognize Palin's right to publicly defend herself from the Far Left who wants to blame Palin and anyone one on the Right.
11:21 PM on 01/14/2011
Read George Washington's Rules For Civility online for free
http://www.goodandbadnews.com/read-george-washingtons-rule-for-civility-online-for-free/
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London Diplomat
Diplomacy is worth a fight
08:48 PM on 01/14/2011
Spotted this in the comments section on the Guardian website:

"Those who will not accept a Democrat as President under any terms are determined to destroy their country rather than accept that their political opponents have anything to offer.
There is an 800 pound gorilla in the room and it thinks that it owns the room."
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dcbarton
07:29 AM on 01/15/2011
Not unlike the Left's response to having a Republican in office, is it? Anyone else remember the outcry from the Left when Bush was in the White House?
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London Diplomat
Diplomacy is worth a fight
08:22 AM on 01/15/2011
You don't seriously believe that the two are equatable? I don't think Thomas Daschle said he wanted to prevent the President's re-election. I don't think he said "I reject the word compromise".
thekid360
Black, Union and Proud, Booyah
12:09 PM on 01/15/2011
Do you really dislike him so much that you cannot listen to that speech and find something to be hopeful for. You are correct about our disdain for President Bush, however when President Bush said at ground zero"the people that did will soon hear us too" that made me feel good inside as much as I deplore violence.My simple point is as it is much easier to love than it is to hate. Have you ever heard the saying it takes more than twice as many muscles to frown as do to smile So my friend @dcbarton I hope you find peace.
08:05 PM on 01/14/2011
'' It's a long way, Mr Obama, between a good story and a dirty deed''

When you stop sending drones that are killing innocent civilians in Pakistan, then I will believe your much lauded speech in AZ [ For the record, I was a long time supporter of your efforts]
02:48 AM on 01/15/2011
Look, informed people should know that Obama couldn't just end the war at the drop of dime after Bush neglected Afghanistan since 2003. The innocents that are being killed due to drone strikes are the result of 1) bad intel, 2) operator mistake, 3) system inaccuracy, 4) unintended accident, or 5) reporter propaganda. I do think we need to end this war and I hate it when innocents are killed as I'm sure Obama does. But, if America can still elect Republican's, don't count on this being the last war. When Obama's out of office and god forbid a tea party psycho talker, war mongering, earth damaging, hate spewing, civil war inciting person is POTUS due to racial make up (and uninformed population) of this country, and the rest of world again hates us, who's fault would that be?
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dcbarton
07:31 AM on 01/15/2011
Weren't we supposed to stop the hateful rhetoric? Did you miss that message?
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London Diplomat
Diplomacy is worth a fight
12:58 PM on 01/15/2011
"informed people" are not the ones you're going to find disagreeing with you. I wouldn't bother with the uninformed.
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ChasG
Unborn, unchanging, undying Universe
12:22 PM on 01/15/2011
How can you possibly link the president's speech in Arizona to the war in Pakistan?  Your dismissive attitude toward his plea for unity and civility makes your claim of ever being a supporter a hollow and meaningless remark even if it is true, which seems doubtful.
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London Diplomat
Diplomacy is worth a fight
01:32 PM on 01/15/2011
I don't think it's fair to say that it's doubtful that maryosullivanpaa wasn't a supporter - the President attracted a vast coalition of voters. It just happens that some were there for the hope, not realising that hope is not a magic wand. F&F anyway for your posts further up :)
07:52 PM on 01/14/2011
I wish something good would come out of this. However I do not believe it will. The NRA has such control over the government. Both parties will not do anything real about it
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Dr. Cara Barker
author, artist, and Jungian Analyst,
03:58 PM on 01/15/2011
Mildred, I'm afraid you've got your finger on the pulse of things as they are. Many thanks for saying what needs much more expression. You've got courage, initiative, and heart. Bless you.

I'm off to become your newest fan, with gratitude your way,
Cara
06:30 PM on 01/14/2011
If anybody had stopped to really listen to Pres. Obama's speech, they would understand that he did assign blame for the killings. It's you and me and all of us, according to him.

When the president did lay blame, it was on Americans in general. Among the many odd assertions he made: suggesting that “what a tragedy like this requires” is that “we align our values with our actions.” We were told to “expand our moral imaginations.”

Huh?

A mentally ill gunman opened fire at a Safeway. A lack of “aligning” or “imagination” really wasn’t the problem. Obama chided Americans to “be better,” as if we somehow caused this shooting to happen. He said, “We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us.”

Feel better now?
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Kara Kramer
07:55 PM on 01/14/2011
He did no such thing, he stated clearly that 'no incivility was to blame'. He simply suggested that times of loss and tragedy are good times to take stock and try and do better.
If you don't want to do that you don't have to, but to say he blamed anyone is a flat out lie.
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dcbarton
07:32 AM on 01/15/2011
He did, and it will become more clear in the coming weeks about who he feels was at fault.
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Michael Allen Powers
51, Married, Desert Rat.
06:09 PM on 01/14/2011
I would have loved to see the President speak. I work just down the street. But my grief was such that I wasn't yet ready to deal with the circumstan­ce. Tucson is a college town, and while students are the reason for the existence of any university­, it's walls house a very diverse set of people and occupation­s. This wasn't a crime against a university­, or a town, or even a nation. It was a crime against reason itself. Tucson isn't used to dealing with tragedies of this magnitude, and if some folks think we got it wrong, or our grief wasn't up to your expectatio­ns. Gee. Sorry. We'll try and do better next time.
07:48 PM on 01/14/2011
You, like every liberal, are self-absorbed.

"Liberalism is angst, self-loathing, and rage."
ubrew12
that crazy uncle from Amarcord
07:58 PM on 01/14/2011
Well said (/sarcasm). Mr Powers, don't you Tucson libbies know you shouldn't be self-absorbed by tragedies such as this one. You need to be absorbed in nohoho. Make nohoho a profit, and you'll be just fine...
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Michael Allen Powers
51, Married, Desert Rat.
05:44 AM on 01/15/2011
Self-absorbed? Angst, self-loathing, and rage? Got that from a bumper sticker, did ya? Sure. I've been alive a long time, and I have at some point been and experienced all those things. Not all at the same time, mind you. And I either got over it, or changed my behavior. It's part of the point I was making, actually, and, no doubt, lost on you. I'm not sure how a lame personal attack on me connects in any way to what I was saying, so I have to assume that you're either being obtuse, or you lack the ability to understand simple English.

Someone needs to explain to the Right that when you buy a troll, you get what you pay for. You might wanna go back to flipping burgers, because you kinda suck at this.
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Dr. Cara Barker
author, artist, and Jungian Analyst,
04:02 PM on 01/15/2011
Dear Michael,

Many thanks for writing in with your message. It cannot be easy living where you live, working where you work, feeling the enormous heavy stone of grief in the heart of Tucson. Just wanting you to know, that, while I am not 'down the block,' I am here, like so many, 'hearing' your voice (which is splendid) and wishing all that sort of healing of the heart that can only bring us back to the fact we are all connected, all in 'the soup,' together.

May you be at peace, may you be reminded of what a gift you are. Count me as your newest fan,
Cara
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Michael Allen Powers
51, Married, Desert Rat.
05:18 PM on 01/15/2011
Thank you for the kind words. Obviously coming from one whose character and patience is greater than my own. I've no doubt that anyone you encounter is the better for it. Certainly true in my case. Again, thanks.
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Dead Che
Living in the shadows
02:54 PM on 01/14/2011
I see the Native American blessing was given by a real authentic Catholic:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/native-american-invocation-az-memorial-w
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dcbarton
07:36 AM on 01/15/2011
Most Native Americans worship two religions, a Christian religion and their native religion. Time I spent with navajos in New Mexico showed me that they have combined the two religions into one, as different as it might seem to others, a new form of Chistianity unique to Native Americans.
01:47 PM on 01/14/2011
Great feel good speech . I do not know what else he could have done. His policies, on the economy just do not back up this speech. A feel good speech , that's it
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Michael Allen Powers
51, Married, Desert Rat.
06:15 PM on 01/14/2011
One has very little to do with the other.
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dcbarton
07:36 AM on 01/15/2011
If he is asking us all to come together, one has everything to do with the other.