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What Happens When You (Almost) Die?

First Posted: 01/12/2011 8:07 pm EST Updated: 05/25/2011 6:25 pm EDT

By G. Jeffrey MacDonald
Religion News Service

Wanda Colie vividly remembers what she saw in 1984 when, at age 28, a condition that produced blood in her lungs nearly killed her. The pain vanished and a crowd of familiar faces came to welcome her in a light-drenched valley.

For more than two decades, Colie kept her experience secret. But she's recently joined hundreds of others who've started going public with their near-death experiences, or NDEs.

"For a long time, I couldn't talk about this stuff because it was just stuff you didn't talk about," said Colie, a housecleaner who lives in Rougemont, N.C. "I had to deal with it myself, (and now) I can't explain the relief to know that I'm OK. I'm not going crazy or anything."

Once dismissed as mere hallucinations, NDEs are being taken more seriously than in the past. Studies published in The Lancet, a respected British medical journal, and the Journal of the American Medical Association have reframed NDEs as phenomena worthy of scientific research.

Last year, three medical doctors published books on new NDE research, including what it suggests about consciousness beyond the brain and even the possibility of afterlife.

Several mainstream films, including Clint Eastwood's recent "Hereafter," toyed with the possibility of an afterlife, and as NDEs garner increased attention, more people with NDEs are opening up and shedding light what happens as earthly life slips away.

The Louisiana-based Near Death Experience Research Foundation, whose database of more than 1,600 NDEs is the world's largest, added a record 280 new accounts last year -- up 35 percent from 2009. The North Carolina-based International Association of Near Death Studies (IANDS) has amassed more than 900 accounts at its website and now tracks 46 support groups for people who've had NDEs.

More NDE accounts means more data to examine and more reliable inferences, according to researchers such as Dr. Jeffrey Long, a Louisiana oncologist whose study of 613 NDEs forms the basis of his 2010 book, "Evidence of the Afterlife: The Science of Near-Death
Experiences."

"That large number (of survey participants) helps us to be more confident in the findings than we ever could be previously when we studied much smaller numbers of near-death experiences," Long said.

As more accounts come to light, researchers are identifying patterns that transcend differences based on age, culture and religious (or nonreligious) backgrounds.

Frequently noted experiences include moving through a tunnel, looking down at one's own body, reuniting with predeceased loved ones, and being overwhelmed with a sense of love and beauty.

Some doctors who study NDEs say these perceptions and others can be traced to a brain in a distressed condition. Dr. Kevin Nelson, a University of Kentucky neurologist, argues that the brain can remain alive for several minutes after a disturbance in heart rhythm. The brain is not conscious after a cardiac arrest, he said, but an "in between" state of partial consciousness can ensue with the ebb and flow of blood in the brain for a few minutes.

If a patient remembers anything from the experience, Nelson says, it's a function of blood flow, oxygen levels and other activity inside a living brain.

"People have been led astray in the general literature, and I was concerned about that," said Nelson, who explains his theory in his new book, "The Spiritual Doorway in the Brain: A Neurologist's Search for the God Experience."

"People who have been speaking about what the brain is doing in these events are not brain scientists. They're not neuroscientists. They've had an amateur's grasp of how the brain works."

Other medical researchers, however, say NDEs happen when the brain is neither conscious nor alive. Dr. Pim van Lommel, a Dutch cardiologist who interviewed 344 cardiac arrest patients for the Lancet study, said patients repeatedly report keen awareness from moments in time when their brains were clinically dead.

The explanation, van Lommel said, is that consciousness exists apart from the body, and humans encounter this greater consciousness more fully when earthly life ends.

"People who have had near-death experiences say death is just the end of our physical aspects, but it's not the end of who we are," said van Lommel, author of "Consciousness Beyond Life: The Science of Near-Death Experience." "That is what has been told ... in religious traditions. They all have the same message: the essence of who we are is
immortal."

Long's research echoes van Lommel's. He notes how patients, some of whom were clinically dead for a time, later recall things that were said around the operating table or at a bedside during these moments. Their observations are corroborated by witnesses, which makes him "absolutely convinced there is a life after death -- a wonderful life after death."

While some on both sides of the debate accuse their critics of practicing flawed science, the prospect of empirical support for an afterlife is nonetheless shaping how people approach death and dying.

For patients with terminal illnesses, fear of death is often an obstacle to overcome. A 2009 study at Dana Farber Cancer Institute found that patients with a religious faith were more likely than nonbelievers to ask for aggressive life-saving techniques in their final days. But those who trust in the reality of an afterlife need not be afraid of what comes next, according to Diane Corcoran, a nurse and president of IANDS.

"I treat people who are dying very differently than I did 20 years ago," said Corcoran, who says she believes in afterlife because she's heard hundreds of similar accounts of what happens there.

"I try to teach people that (death) doesn't have to be an awful thing; it could be a loving thing. You could certainly treat it differently and not hold on to people that are struggling or suffering. Maybe there's a better place for them to be."

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08:59 PM on 01/19/2011
What happens when you almost get hit by a bus?
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NoMercy
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08:47 AM on 01/20/2011
You get a rush of adrenaline, tremble perhaps, lash out if it wasn't your fault, and, if it were a close enough call, soil yourself.
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Pandoras Folly
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11:02 AM on 01/19/2011
I work in hospitals installing equipment and one doctor I was talking to had a patient wake up after being clincally in the OR for ten minutes and he kept repeating a string of number over and over the same short string of numbers. later he asked him what they were and she said she had been floating above the table during the operation and had memorized the serial number on the back of the OR lamp. Doc went back in and the numbers were identical.
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LintLass
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01:45 PM on 01/19/2011
Now that's what I call a detail-oriented personality. :)
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Pandoras Folly
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04:05 PM on 01/19/2011
seriously.
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09:00 PM on 01/19/2011
Bull. They have designed an experiment almost identical, but using pictures. Want to bet how many get it right?
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06:15 PM on 01/18/2011
I died & was brought back (suicide) after cardiac arrest. I saw "the light", but agree with the neurologist that it was probably neurons flashing. Sorry I can't be more spiritually correct, but I still don't believe in an afterlife.
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NoMercy
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08:31 AM on 01/19/2011
I agree with you that it is a neurological phenomenon, but can I ask if pleasant feelings accompanied the "light" as well?
04:16 PM on 01/18/2011
From Karl Jansen's "The Ketamine Model for the NDE: A Central Role for the NMDA Receptor":

"Spiritualists have sometimes seen scientific explanations of NDE's as dull and reductionist. However, the exploration of the mind-brain interface is one of the most exciting adventures which humans have ever undertaken. The real reductionism lies in attempts to draw a mystical shroud over the NDE, and to belittle the substantial evidence in favour of an scientific explanation."

http://www.mindspring.com/~scottr/nde/jansen1.html

Karl Jansen, MD, is the foremost researcher on the ketamine-NDE connection, and his book, Ketamine:Dreams and Realities discusses the ketamine-NDE phenomenon in depth.

Anyone interested in the NDE phenomenon would do well to read this book, no matter on which side of the spectrum your personal view falls.
11:42 AM on 01/18/2011
We know that chemicals and brain injuries can cause major changes in personality and thinking and reasoning ability. I think this is very strong evidence that the one's consciousness and material brain are not distinct from each other.

NDEs are interesting, but they must be considered within the larger context. Lots of people report NDEs in which their descriptions of what was happening in their hospital room or out in the hallway do not match what actually went on as described by the medical staff who were present. Other people report NDEs in which a living person is present, but that person did not share the experience. Given enough NDEs, a few of them by random chance are going to more or less match a real circumstance. That doesn't mean that they were real experiences and not just hallucinations manufactured by a stressed or oxygen-starved brain.

Bottom line, we still have no good evidence that anything like a soul really exists or that there is any life after death. We all wish this were true, but that doesn't make it so.
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LintLass
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01:11 PM on 01/18/2011
'Evidence' is a pretty tricky criterion for this sort of thing: the fact is the observational equipment one usually relies upon is indeed stressed-out and-or shutting *down,* and it's hard enough to get the same report from two different observers if they're standing right *there* under ideal circumstances. :)

A lot of the things which seem to counter-indicate 'evidence' regarding linear, mechanistic science aren't actually seen to even apply regarding things 'spiritual,' ...like time and events. It's extremely-difficult to satisfy these standards of causality regarding the experiences of a brain that is in fact stressed, oxygen-starved, or even restarted after being totally-offline.

Whether things constitute 'proof' or 'evidence' is quite a thing under ideal circumstances. Given the actual kind of circumstances, you can't really expect perfectly-aligned reports, never mind narratives, if you're going to say one way or another. :)

Even with the most scientific-type rigor one can apply to experiences like this, what's 'evident' to you yourself may (rightly) not constitute *documented proof* to anyone else.

:)
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LintLass
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01:49 PM on 01/18/2011
Conflicting reports, by the way, I'd thought I'd mention, are a phenomenon any accident reporter or police officer knows about even when dealing with perfectly-living, conscious subjects.

Clearly, things are happening *in* the brain, and to it, but scientific mechanists have a tendency to believe, 'If it's not observable by us, and repeatably so, it's 'unreal,' and if anything associated with a happening is not 'unreal' enough, it's not 'supernatural.' "

Of course, these are matters of definition, again.
09:51 AM on 01/18/2011
I really don't understand how consciousness could exist without a brain. I my understanding, when the brain dies and stops sending any magnetic or electrical signals, the consciousness dies as well.

In addition, I think what we call NDE is not actually death, hence the revival of the persons. I believe that NDE is a state where some vital organs are starting to shut down and a brief moment in which the endocrine system releases natural drugs providing a soothing feeling. It is the last moments before the brain dies. Death itself, being something that nobody has returned from, is definite and it involves the death of the brain.

If NDE had any scientific and medical basis and merit; it would be the possibility to study what happens in the body just before the brain dies.
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NoMercy
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10:26 AM on 01/18/2011
I agree with this. I think this is the way the brain shuts down - powerful neurotransmitters flood the brain, maybe dopamine and serotonin, before consciousness is lost forever. Hence going out into light, that "soothing feeling", instead of darkness.

Nature brings us into the world without pain or memory, and will take us out the same way.
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LintLass
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01:35 PM on 01/18/2011
Well, to say that 'death is something nobody has returned from and it involves the death of the brain,' is kind of defining the question out of existence: you're just saying that regardless of clinical death or brain-death, you were never actually dead if at any point you're brought back. Therefore, even if someone managed to like unfreeze Ted Williams and it somehow worked, he'd be defined as 'Never having been dead.' :)

There are a lot of assumptions involved in all this, namely, that if there's any indication that some form of consciousness survives, people tend to cast it in terms of 'The contents of your brain are therefore eternal.'

If it can be 'proven' as opposed to just reported and theorized about, (including by, well, people like me,) that consciousness persists in some fashion outside and in my case even between lives, (at least as far as *information* goes, on the latter count, ) ...it doesn't *necessarily* mean or prove *permanence,* any more than 'This object is durable, it must therefore be eternal' logically follows.

Nor does the existence of cultural traditions about these experiences mean the experiences are all *invalid* as experiences. It's quite easy for both science and spirituality to over-reach in terms of what is actually proven (or claimed to be disproven.)

Science should certainly know better than to expect that the next level of knowledge represents *total* knowledge. (And religions could often stand to lighten up there, too)
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SrAN
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09:05 AM on 01/18/2011
I am taking a big deep breath as I begin typing this. I experienced an "NDE" almost 3 years ago (May 1st, 2008 at 1030 in the morning). I was working on an electrical panel when something went wrong & I was hit with over 480V of electricity. I remember that I was kneeling by the panel & when I was hit I was blinded with a flashing white light & suddenly felt as though I were standing. I remember looking around & could just make out what I thought were a bunch of people. I wasn't scared but a bit confused. I had a feeling as though I was not supposed to be there. Just as suddenly as it had started everything went suddenly black. I heard a ringing in my ears & my vision started coming back, I was looking at the ceiling. When I arrived at the ER, I went into cardiac arrest 2X. The entire time I was there I kept hearing a voice telling me to just go to sleep & everything would be fine. I kept asking the passing docs & nurses if I could sleep. They said no & worked hard to keep me awake. Before my last cardiac arrest, I remember looking over & seeing my grandfather standing by, he happens to be deceased. Thankfully, thanks to the hard work of the staff, I pulled through but the images & feelings I felt then are still very fresh in my mind. Take
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SrAN
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09:09 AM on 01/18/2011
To add to my comment, I was asked by my very Christian family if this made me believe in God and Christ again (I left the faith after leaving home, I now follow a more Pagan path but accept science and logic when proofs are brought to light). My experience in no way fortified my position on religion. In fact, it pulled me even further away from Christianity and made me research my beliefs more. I still stick with Paganism because it explained alot of what I had been through but I still have a very open mind. Basically what I am saying here, my experience has no foundation on religion. No angels, demons, or higher power entered into the equation.
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LintLass
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11:58 AM on 01/18/2011
(Hugs, by the way.)

While I hesitate to go into details, my own experience had, shall we say, a lot more Pagan religious content, (As well as the commonly-reported experiences.)

...Then again it was a lot less sudden than an electrical accident: I'd been sick for days: and it was a quieter sort of surprise to find myself actually dying, and having a lot of shamanic experience really helped, err, navigate. :)

I think I'd say that it brought home some things you could call new-to-me insights, (Though perhaps not ones unfamiliar to us in theory.) Also, I think an understanding how people of different religions really might well interpret the experience in their own terms on getting back. I can see, too, how some might be pretty freaked out about parts of it, too, depending what they bring with them. The brain's definitely going through a lot, but I think I can assure that there's more to it than that.

There's the experience and how people might religiously interpret it. In my case, well, I certainly came back with that much less nagging concern about my place in the universe, let's say. :)
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12:05 AM on 01/18/2011
The afterlife is such a debateable subject, and none of us will know the truth of the here after until we die. I happen to have blind faith that our souls live on through to eternity, my opinion based on The New Testament. I'm sure to get much criticism for my beliefs, and that's OK. For those that have had a NDE, I believe their experience, and most who have had an NDE would rather stay in Heaven, or where ever their soul goes. I have read many of the snarky remarks, and, many that have a scientific explaination of what NDE's are, but unless you've experienced an NDE, you have no reason to cast doubt on what those person's that have..
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01:08 AM on 01/18/2011
Amen to that! Cute kitty too.
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01:30 AM on 01/18/2011
Happy Cat Thanks you Westofthemoon, and Fans you too!!
05:39 PM on 01/17/2011
What happens when you almost die? You almost go to heaven.. which is really cool because that is where Imaginationland is.
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LintLass
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12:03 PM on 01/18/2011
Nah, Imaginationland's a shorter commute than places like that. :) The former's a pretty short hop on the Inter-State Bypass. :)
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03:41 PM on 01/17/2011
I just finished reading a book about astral glide and Karmic sex in previous cosmic 8th dimensional realities where ghosts live. The author is Watta Faker.
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bushgirlsgone
03:36 PM on 01/17/2011
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Delusions occur when the brain is subjected to certian chemicals.
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08:22 PM on 01/17/2011
Maybe you should try deluding yourself once in a while.
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09:40 AM on 01/17/2011
I am just finishing a fascinating book on death and reincarnation from the perspective of quantum physics.

The book is titled, 'Physics of The Soul: The Quantum Book of Living, Dying, Reincarnation, and Immortality' by Amit Goswami, PH.D.

The author - a theoretical physicist - integrates 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead' with quantum physics and presents some very compelling new evidence of what happens during and after death.

The Tibetan Book of the Dead ( composed sometime in the 8th century ) describes, and is intended to guide one through, the experiences that the consciousness has after death, during the interval between death and the next rebirth. This interval is known in Tibetan as the bardo. The text also includes chapters on the signs of death, and rituals to undertake when death is closing in, or has taken place. It is the most internationally famous and widespread work of Tibetan Nyingma literature - wikipedia
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Bluemax1
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06:32 AM on 01/18/2011
Thank you for 'Physics of the Soul'. I have had so many experiences as others have and I love this field of study. Deepak Chopra has said that we are not physical beings having a spiritual experience but rather spiritual beings having a physical experience.
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10:29 AM on 01/18/2011
I have always used the phrase "we are not bodies with souls, but souls with bodies."
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dlbeard
05:24 PM on 01/16/2011
The belief that these NDEs are hallucinations or consciousness with no blood flow to the brain, must be classed as a superstition with no factual basis.
02:34 AM on 01/17/2011
When do NDE's happen? When you are unconscious and dieing you have no temporal awareness. So asking the person when they wake up when it happened is completely unreliable. It may have happened long before blow flow stopped or it could be what happens when blood flow is slowing/stopping.

Your comment has it completely wrong, There is absolutely no evidence that consciousness is separate from brain activity. This is supported by all factual observation. If you wish to show otherwise please show me a disembodied consciousness. I'd even settle for evidence that the NDE occurred while the brain was dead.
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dlbeard
05:23 PM on 01/16/2011
Some facts, I'm not sure the scientist they quote has included in his research:

Approximately, 10-20 seconds after blood stops flowing to the brain, brain activity necessary for consciousness stops and the EEG goes flat. Neither general anesthesia nor cardiac arrest produces unconsciousness with the possibility of a lucid memory.

When people from birth have an NDE, it includes vision. When deaf from birth, audio elements are present.

When NDErs encounter people that they knew from their earthly life, those people are almost always deceased at the time of the NDE. By contrast, in dreams & hallucinations, the beings encountered are much more likely to be living. If NDEs were only a product of brain stress, then one would expect that beings encountered during the NDE would be those most familiar to the patient, whereas in an NDE, they are deceased family members. In dreams and hallucinations, the beings encountered are much more likely to be people who are still living.

NDEs among small children (who have yet to be enculturated into religious beliefs) & adults are strikingly similar suggesting NDE experiences are not due to preexisting beliefs.

NDEs are strikingly similar regardless of faith or language, or culture.

NDEs are clear without distortion and without hallucinatory imagery unlike temporal lobe seizures. Doctors are often very amazed at the level of detail the patient who experienced an NDE is able to describe of the medical staff's efforts to resuscitate them.
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12:06 AM on 01/17/2011
Fanned/fav'd for your injection of sobriety.
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09:19 AM on 01/17/2011
I, too, just fanned you. My own NDE experience is detailed further down.

Thank you for addressing many of the skepticisms.

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10:52 PM on 01/15/2011
We speak of our arm,our leg, our brain. Who or what is doing this speaking ? We study our brain etc. All this belongs to me. Who or what is that me ? Surely the brain can't study it's self ? I guess this is what is known as the soul.
I'm not a believer in religious doctrine. I would call me agnostic.
03:53 PM on 01/22/2011
I believe you think with your feet, here.