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White House Press Briefing: Now With 50 Percent More Cold War Tensions!

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First Posted: 01/13/11 02:50 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:25 PM ET

Your important moment of the day in U.S.-Russian relations occurred during Thursday's White House press briefing, when ITAR-TASS correspondent Andrei Sitov questioned Robert Gibbs about whether the shootings in Tucson, Ariz. were the "reverse side of freedom," and whether the "freedom of a deranged mind to react in a violent way" was quintessentially American. As you might expect, Gibbs objected to this characterization.

WATCH:

SITOV: First, my condolences to all the Americans, especially to the victims. But second, as to why it does not seem all that incomprehensible, at least from the outsider. It's the reverse side of freedom. Unless you want restrictions, unless you want bigger role for the government --

GIBBS: Look, I think there's an investigation that's going to go on. Hold on, let me take my time back for a second. There's an investigation that's going to go on. I think as it goes on we will learn more and more about what happened. I think the President was clear last night, we may never know fully why or how. We may never have an understanding of why, as the President said, in the dark recesses of someone's mind, a violent person's mind, do actions like this spring forward. I don't want to surmise or think in the future of what some of that might be. But I think it's important to understand, as I said earlier, the event that was happening that day was the exercise of some very important, very foundational freedoms to this country. The freedom of speech. The freedom to assemble. The freedom to petition your government. Democracy, or form of self-government that is of, by, and for the people. all very quintessential American values that have been on display, along with tremendous courage and resilience of those in the community, and throughout this country, but have had to deal with this tragedy.

SITOV: This is what I was talking about, exactly this. This is America. The democracy, the freedom of speech and the freedom of assembly, the freedom to petition your government. Many people outside would also say, and they quote unquote freedom of a deranged mind to react in a violent way it is also American. How do you respond to that?

GIBBS: What's the last part?

SITOV: They quote unquote freedom of the deranged mind to react violently to them, it is also American.

GIBBS: No. I would disagree vehemently with that. There are -- there is nothing in the values of our country, there's nothing on the many laws on our books that would provide for somebody to impugn and impede on the very freedoms that you began with, but exercising the actions that that individual took on that day. That is not American. I think there's agreement on all sides of the political spectrum, violence is never, ever acceptable. We had people that died. We had people whose lives will be changed forever, because of the deranged actions of a madman. Those are not American. Those are not in keeping with the important bedrock values by which this country was founded, and by which its citizens live each and every day of their lives, in hopes of something better for those that are here.

Hey, remember back in September of 2004, when Chechen separatists took hostages at a school in Beslan, North Ossetia-Alania? There was a standoff, and it finally ended when Russian forces stormed the school, with tanks and rockets. About 400 people died. As Yuri Kozyrev reported for Time Magazine, in the aftermath, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin was quick to put Sitov's suggestion into play:

Putin wasted no time declaring he would crack down even harder rather than negotiate a political solution to the Chechen conflict. In his televised speech on Saturday, he paraphrased Stalin: "We have shown weakness. The weak ones get beaten." With the Kremlin claiming that nine of the terrorists in Beslan were of Arab descent -- something independent observers have not yet been able to confirm -- Putin blamed the crisis on the "direct intervention of international terrorism" aimed at breaking up Russia. He promised a new "set of measures to reinforce the country's unity," as well as tougher rule in the Caucasus and a new "crisis management system" that would enhance the powers of the security services. Some observers, including senior officers in the security services, worried that these new measures could be used to further enhance Putin's power, entrenching the country ever deeper in his authoritarian rule.

Here's a fun fact about the aftermath, from your Wikipedia:

Increased security measures were introduced to Russian cities. More than 10,000 people without proper documents were detained by Moscow police in a "terrorist hunt". Colonel Magomed Tolboyev, a cosmonaut and Hero of the Russian Federation, was attacked by Moscow police patrol and beaten because of his Chechen-sounding name.

Quote Stalin and consolidate power? Beat up a hero cosmonaut in the ensuing, crazy witch hunt because of his name? Cheery stuff. Does is speak to the national character of Russia? Who's to say that some enhanced personal freedoms couldn't have prevented the Beslan crisis from happening? Just asking, not lecturing.

And hey, not to give Sitov more ammunition, but I'm happy to point out our own little "Thomas Friedman wants the Iraqi people to suck on this" misadventure in Mesopotamia. I guess what I'm saying is this: I'm no historian, but based upon what little I've learned, I've found it difficult to identify the nation or culture that's truly cornered the market on atrocity.

To lighten the mood, here's a more comedic way of making this point:

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Your important moment of the day in U.S.-Russian relations occurred during Thursday's White House press briefing, when ITAR-TASS correspondent Andrei Sitov questioned Robert Gibbs about whether the sh...
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R.W. Sanders
Numerous questions, too little expertise
02:36 AM on 01/16/2011
Strange how Russia and the U.S. both use fear of terrorism to suspend civil rights and control the population. Hard to tell the difference. I wonder what the terror color code is today in Moscow?
08:04 PM on 01/15/2011
I don't believe we will have any effective legislation to control guns until liberals start carrying guns as a matter of routine and push for more open, unregulated sales. That's when conservative politicians will begin to worry enough to want to control guns.

Would a "I'm a liberal with a gun" slogan on your teeshirt get you arrested at a Palin rally?
10:47 PM on 01/14/2011
Mr Sitov obviously has his "quote, unquote freedoms" mixed up and misunderstood. I live in Tucson and what Jarred Loughner did is the act of a deranged mind, and is not an action we condone, value, or understand.
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Keith Cozart
Chaos reigns in Crowley's temple
09:06 PM on 01/14/2011
I know he is on his way out of this gig. Can we please get rid of robert gibbs - yesterday?? He is a disgrace.
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12:28 PM on 01/14/2011
He was pointing out the natural consequences of our "liberal" gun-toting culture.

And he was right on point..................
10:53 PM on 01/14/2011
Actually a lot of "liberals" are quite against guns. Conservatives on the other hand include them as props in their campaigns. Examples by name? Sarah Palin, Jesse Kelley (ran against Gabrielle Giffords in Arizona 8th district), Pamela Goreman (lost in the primary in Arizona's 3rd district to Ben Quayle who settled for a baseball bat). There are many others. I am not aware of a single Democrat that used gun imagery in their campaigns.
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09:52 AM on 01/15/2011
There is more than one meaning for "liberal", and you chose the wrong one.

Guess which way I used it:

lib·er·al
–adjective

1. favorable to progress or reform, as in political or religious affairs.

2. noting or pertaining to a political party advocating measures of progressiv­e political reform.

3. of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism­.

4. favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by government­al protection of civil liberties.

5. favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression­: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

If you selected #4 or 5 - BINGO!!!!

You are now on your way to a more "liberal" education.­..........­..........­.......
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gnorrfa
emitte lucem et veritatem
11:53 AM on 01/14/2011
putin is a republican?
09:59 AM on 01/14/2011
We will find tha sheriff Dupnick neglected his duties. Loughner has been investigated for multiple death threats and wasn't even given a psych evaluation. Which made it possible for him to legally obtain a firearm.

In the meantime Dupnick incites everyone else for his own incompetence.
11:01 PM on 01/14/2011
The Arizona Legislature cut funding for mental health programs by nearly 50% two years ago.. people were turned out of hospitals and therapy programs by the hundreds. So, it's easy to see how Loughner was missed. Also his illness apparently was much worse very recently. I mean within the last 6 months. Further, hind sight is easy. If you can detect what people will do in te future I am sure the police would very much like to get in touch with you.

From what you posted it seems you are not from Tucson. I am. Sheriff Dupnik has been a very effective lawman. He is honest, which in this age is refreshing. There was no way anyone could predict what would happen, even the kid's parents didn't know what the kid was going to do. So, quit this talk about incompetence.
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den1953
The best politicians are for free!
09:28 AM on 01/14/2011
Once again when you export violence for political gain how can you defend the violence at home?
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eagle17765
08:57 AM on 01/14/2011
In the USA - we have very few restrictions on "who" purchases guns.

In Arizona those restrictions are even SMALLER.

In Arizona, a person used his "freedom" to buy a gun.

I think that was the point to the question - because Arizona has few restrictions, the
"freedom of the deranged mind to react v'0lently to them (the deranged), it is also American."
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eagle17765
08:58 AM on 01/14/2011
One more thing,

I think, it is possible, the questioner was just asking if "America should have MORE restrictions on "who" can purchase a gun." --

if that was his point, then I agree with the questioner.
08:19 AM on 01/14/2011
This is the first time that I agree with Peter Griffin. Handled himself well there.
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07:29 AM on 01/14/2011
Political opponents in Russia are routinely sentenced to long prison terms based on the rulings of kangaroo courts, while muck-raking reporters are routinely disappeared. The man from Tass has nothing to be proud of insofar as comparing Russia and America - they are both way too violent.
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watcherreader
online super hero
08:06 AM on 01/14/2011
anything that is violent is TOO violent. fanned
07:24 PM on 01/13/2011
The rusky has a point. America was build on bloodshed both with kicking out the ENglihs and the bloody civil war. We american's like violence, like guns adn like blood!
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Tewhiti
For the people, not for the dollar.
09:52 PM on 01/13/2011
Not to mention committing genocide against the Native Americans...
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L3p3rm3ss14h
Morality is Temporary. Wisdom is Permanent.
10:13 PM on 01/13/2011
However we do not like proofreading, apparently.
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gnorrfa
emitte lucem et veritatem
11:56 AM on 01/14/2011
same channel. f & F!
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Keith Cozart
Chaos reigns in Crowley's temple
09:11 PM on 01/14/2011
could have been trying to pass the censors, or wrote it from a cell phone.. pls refudiate.
hehe I had to do it.
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Needawinner
Bon Vivant and BMF
06:32 PM on 01/13/2011
I think Obama's poll numbers will rise after Gibbs leaves. His "used car salesman" looks are not a positive thing for Obama. Also, he has a bad 'tude.
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watcherreader
online super hero
08:13 AM on 01/14/2011
I couldn't disagree more. His answer was incredibly eloquent and lucid. To think that that Laughner went on a rampage because he is a free man is as logical as suggesting that all free men will go on a rampage. There is a discernibl­e commutativ­e property is his fallacy. I just drank 2 cups of java
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eagle17765
09:00 AM on 01/14/2011
Your comment is not only absurd - but also weak.
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Randy Wetzel
04:56 PM on 01/13/2011
Ahhh yes, our freedoms, that slowly started being eaten away at during Bushs reign of ig-norance.
07:25 PM on 01/13/2011
And furthered during the reign of Obama.
Both leaders are complete frauds
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eagle17765
09:01 AM on 01/14/2011
'reign" .... what are you talking about?
08:18 AM on 01/14/2011
Wake up. Nothing has changed. Your knight in shinning armor has done nothing to overturn the "reign of ignorance". Or is it that you all of the sudden agree with it?
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eagle17765
09:01 AM on 01/14/2011
"reign of ignorance" ... huh?
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mytwocents02
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04:46 PM on 01/13/2011
Freedom comes with a price and it is a price worth paying.
BritishColumbian
American/Canadian liberal
06:30 PM on 01/13/2011
With all due respect and as a person who grew up in America from 1948 to 1968, there are many other countries that are free with free elections and rigorous debate in Parliament and during elections that do not have the history of assassinations and mass murder that America has.
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mytwocents02
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07:14 PM on 01/13/2011
You made it sound like America experiences assassinations and mass murders on a regular basis. The Tucson shooting is an anomaly and not a norm. Many other countries' histories span thousands of years whereas America is 234 years young. I say we have come a long way in a very short time.