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Jared Loughner's Chaotic Night Before Arizona Shooting

The Huffington Post/AP   First Posted: 01/16/11 09:38 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:25 PM ET

Jared Loughner Final Hours

TUCSON, Ariz. — He wandered through the dark streets of his hometown, meandering from one store to another on a furious all-night excursion as he prepared what authorities say were the final steps in taking revenge on a world from which he'd become progressively alienated.

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Jared Loughner checked into a down-and-out motel. He picked up photos showing him holding a Glock 19 while wearing only a bright red G-string. He bought ammunition on one of three trips to two different Walmarts.

He called a high-school pot-smoking buddy, ran away from his father into a cactus-dotted desert and updated his MySpace profile to say, "Goodbye friends."

Michelle Martinez ran into Loughner during his rambling odyssey. She and some friends were hanging out in the neighborhood when a sullen figure emerged from the darkness in a black hooded sweatshirt and startled them. Loughner picked his way through the group rather than walk around them, offering a deep, distant "What's up?" He then quickened his pace and disappeared into the darkness.

"I had a feeling he was thinking about something," said Martinez, who knew Loughner from their school days. "It was just kind of weird."

The encounter epitomizes Loughner's final hours as he became increasingly unhinged, culminating, authorities say, with him opening fire on a crowd of people at an event for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Six people were killed and 13 were wounded amid a barrage of bullets from a Glock 19.

Officials do not know what pushed the 22-year-old mentally disturbed loner over the edge, but interviews, records and a police chronology released Friday provide a fuller picture of his movements that in many ways reflect his scattered mind.

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Giffords' flight has arrived in Houston, KOLD reports.

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Rep. Giffords is heading towards Houston. The Arizona congresswoman's trip includes portions via ambulance, helicopter and jet. The AP reports that she will "undergo weeks of rigorous therapy."

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Photos of Rep. Giffords' motorcade earlier on Friday as she began the trip to Houston.

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AP reports on one victim's memories of Judge John Roll's heroic actions the day the tragic shootings rocked Tucson:

Ron Barber can remember the small details of the Tucson rampage: The gunman, the crackle of gunfire, lying on the ground, wounded, and the weight of a body on him.

A week and a half later, Barber found out that it was his good friend John Roll.

Then he learned the federal judge may have helped save his life.

Full story here.

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Judge John Roll's wife, Maureen, has issued a statement in response to her husband's tragic death and the events that unfolded in Tucson, AZ Central reports:

There are no words to describe how my world was shattered on Saturday morning, Jan. 8, 2011. Not only did I lose John Roll, my husband and best friend of more than 40 years, but our three sons lost a wonderful father and our grandchildren their beloved papa.

But something else happened that day and in the days that have followed.

Read the full statement here.

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Giffords' family reported that she felt the sunshine on her face today for the first time since she was shot. Her office released the below photograph of the congresswoman's bed on a hospital deck, with husband Mark Kelly by her side.

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Arizona's KFDA reports that Congresswoman Giffords will be transferred to Houston's TIRR Memorial Hermann hospital at 9am local time tomorrow:

Officials at University Medical Center in Tucson say the congresswoman is expected to leave shortly after 9 a.m. local time and travel by ambulance to Davis-Monthan Air Force Base for a medical flight to Texas.

A group of motorcycle riders from a Veterans of Foreign Wars post will escort the ambulance.

Once in Houston, she will be taken by helicopter to TIRR Memorial Hermann hospital.

Traveling with Giffords will be her husband, Mark Kelly; her mother, Gloria Giffords; trauma surgeon Dr. Peter Rhee and an intensive care unit nurse.

Full article here.

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AZ Central reports on the terms of Loughner's indictments, and what would constitute the death penalty:

Superseding indictments could come as early as 60 days in the murders of U.S. District Judge John Roll and Giffords' aide Gabe Zimmerman. Sources indicated that the indictments would be done piecemeal in order to meet constitutional requirements.

The federal criminal code allows penalties of up to life in prison for an attempted assassination of a member of Congress. When federal murder charges follow, prosecutors could seek the death penalty.

Full story here.

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The AP reports on a video that has surfaced of the shooting rampage:

John Roll was called a fair federal judge and a loving family man at his funeral. Now, some are also calling him a hero.

Surveillance footage of the Jan. 8 shooting rampage in Tucson showed that he used his body as a shield to cover an injured man. Roll then took a bullet to the back, and lost his life in the process.

Full story here.

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The AP reports:

Giffords' family hopes to move the Arizona congresswoman on Friday to TIRR Memorial Hermann hospital in Houston, where her husband lives and works as an astronaut. The exact day of the move will depend on her health.

"I am extremely hopeful at the signs of recovery that my wife has made since the shooting," Mark Kelly said in a statement released by Giffords' congressional office. The staff at University Medical Center in Tucson "has stabilized her to the point of being ready to move to the rehabilitation phase."

Full story here.

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The AP reports that shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner has been indicted on three counts, attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and trying to kill two of her aids.

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Tucson's KVOA just reported that Congresswoman Giffords successfully stood on her own two feet today and sat in her hospital chair looking out the window. She will be relocated to Houston later this week for further rehabilitation treatment.

KVOA reports:

Dr. Rhee would not confirm that Giffords will leave for TIRR Memorial Hermann Rehabilitation Hospital in Houston on Friday, but he says the transition from UMC to the next hospital will be seamless.

TIRR is one of the top-rated rehabilitation hospitals in the country, and has been recognized for this for the past 21 years, according to U.S. News and World Report. The hospital was chosen for its rehabilitation program and its relative proximity to Tucson, Giffords' husband Mark Kelly says.

Full story here.

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From the Associated Press:

Donated corneas from the young girl killed in the Arizona mass shooting have saved the eyesight of two children, the girl's father told The Associated Press on Monday.

John Green said the Donor Network of Arizona told him and his wife about the successful transplants.

He said he doesn't know whether any of 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green's other organs have gone to any other children, but he's under the impression that her wounds rendered her internal organs unusable.

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Eric Fuller, the Arizona shooting victim who was arrested on Saturday after saying "you're dead" to a Tea Party leader, "is apologetic and very sad" about his behavior, a friend tells CNN.

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Former President Bill Clinton's statement on Martin Luther King Day includes the following warning, directly after mentioning the shooting in Arizona: "While no one intends their words or actions to incite the violence we saw in Tucson – and it’s wrong for anyone to suggest otherwise – we live in a world where what we say and how we say it can be read, heard, or seen by those who understand exactly what we mean and by those whose inner demons take them to a very different place."

His full statement:

"Dr. Martin Luther King once wrote that nonviolence means 'not only avoiding external physical violence but also internal violence of the spirit.' Today as we honor what would have been Dr. King’s 92nd birthday a little more than a week after a shooter took the lives of six people and wounded 13 others in Arizona, including a member of Congress, we’d all do well to heed this message. While no one intends their words or actions to incite the violence we saw in Tucson – and it’s wrong for anyone to suggest otherwise – we live in a world where what we say and how we say it can be read, heard, or seen by those who understand exactly what we mean and by those whose inner demons take them to a very different place.

"That’s not an argument against free speech, but a reminder that, as with all freedoms, its use carries with it responsibility. Therefore, we should follow the example Dr. King set and exercise our freedom of speech in ways that both clarify our honest differences and nurture the best of us rather than bring out the worst. We must not let our political differences degenerate into demonization. Our opponents are just as convinced they’re right as we are. And we must constantly reaffirm the conviction that our common humanity is more important than our differences.

"That’s why America’s founders established as our permanent mission the formation of a more perfect union. That’s why Dr. King reminded us that we are all caught up in an 'inescapable web of mutuality.' That’s why he taught us to remember that, in the face of evil, only light can push out darkness and only love can push out hate. Living those lessons is something we can all do to honor Rep. Gabby Giffords and the other victims of the tragedy in Tucson."

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NBC News will air an interview with Dick Cheney on Tuesday night, his first since undergoing heart surgery last July. According to advance excerpts from NBC, the former vice president rejects the idea that the shooting in Arizona is connected to the nation's political rhetoric.

Scroll down for Cheney's remarks. The full interview airs on Tuesday on NBC's "Today" show and "NBC Nightly News."

JAMIE GANGEL: "We don't know what motivated this young man, but immediately there was an uproar about contentious political rhetoric being responsible. Whether it's Sarah Palin using words like, "Don't retreat, reload," or President Obama in 2008 said, "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun," are those kinds of metaphors dangerous? Do you think the political rhetoric has gotten out of control?"

DICK CHENEY: "Well, I think we have to be a little bit careful here-- about a rush to judgment. Trying to explain the event when we don't really know everything we need to know in order to be able to make sort of a final judgment. There's a lot more I'd like to know about the man who was the perpetrator of this awful crime.

"And I think we need to be a little careful about assuming that somehow the rest of society or the political class bears the responsibility for what happened here when it was the act of a deranged, crazed individual that committed a crime.

"I think our politics can get pretty rough at times. Having been vice president for eight years, maybe I'm more (CHUCKLES) sensitive to it than others, but the fact of the matter is, a good, tough political fights is one of the great strengths of our democracy. And so I think we have to be cautious I guess about jumping to conclusions here about the extent to which the sort of the political environment contributed to or caused this event. I think the event was caused by a deranged individual. And-- that's where we ought to look in terms of trying to assess guilt.

"In the meantime certainly there's nothing wrong with, and I wouldn't be critical about people who are saying, "Look, we need to be careful about our rhetoric. We need to treat one another with respect during the course of our political debates," and so forth. I think that's always good, sound advice.

"But I don't think we should anticipate that we can somehow take a system that was designed for political combat, if you will, between the parties, between ideas, between principles and set that aside. I wouldn't want to do that. That's the heart and soul of our political system. And that's basically a good thing."

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Suzi Hileman, who was injured at Arizona's shooting, is haunted by the killing of nine-year-old Christina Taylor Green. Hileman took Green to the meet-and-greet where the shooting occurred.

In her dreams, Suzi kept reliving the last moments before she lost consciousness: lying on her side in a parking lot, face-to-face with her 9-year-old neighbor, Christina-Taylor Green, whom she had taken that day to meet their congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords.

They held hands, like grandmother and granddaughter, as they waited to meet Giffords.

"The sadness of it is bottomless," Bill Hileman said as he took a break from his bedside vigil at Tucson's University Medical Center. "She took a friend's kid away and didn't bring her back."

Read the Los Angeles Times for the full story.

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The AP reports that the Arizona shooting is leading to a wave of proposed legislation aiming to enhance, not curtail, gun rights:

The shooting in Tucson brought new attention to the national gun control debate after authorities said the rampage was carried out by a man who couldn't get into the military because of his drug use and had repeated run-ins with police at his community college because of his bizarre mental behavior. Jared Loughner bought the 9 mm handgun legally at a Tucson gun store, and was also carrying extended magazines that hold 30 rounds of ammunition.

Arizona Republicans remain adamant that the shooting will not dissuade them from pushing their pro-gun agenda.

They want new laws allowing college and university faculty members to be able to carry concealed weapons on campus, an issue that gained attention after the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech University. Only Utah has a law allowing concealed weapons on college campuses while 24 states have bans, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

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The AP reports:

TUCSON, Ariz. — Doctors have successfully performed a surgery on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' eye socket to remove bone fragments as the wounded congresswoman showed more signs of improvement.

There were no complications from the surgery, and Giffords is improving so much that she was able to give her husband a back rub.

Dr. Randall Friese said Mark Kelly also told doctors he saw Giffords smile. He said sometimes people see what they want to see, but that "if he says she's smiling, I buy it."

Giffords still cannot speak because of a tracheotomy done so the breathing tube could be removed from her mouth.

Dr. Michael Lemole says the eye operation entailed making an incision above the eyebrow, removing bone chips to relieve pressure and reconstructing the roof of the socket.

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Mark Kelly, the husband of Rep. Giffords, will give his first interview on Tuesday night. ABC has released excerpts of the interview, and in one portion Kelly says that Giffords is now able to give him a back rub:

"[It is] so typical of her. She's in the ICU. You know, gone through this traumatic injury. And she spent 10 minutes giving me a neck massage. I keep tellin' her. I'm like, 'Gabby, you're in the ICU. You know, you don't need -- you know, you don't need to be doin' this.' But it's so typical of her that no matter how bad the situation might be for her, you know, she's lookin' out for other people."

The astronaut also says he is "probably" willing to meet with the parents of alleged shooter Jared Loughner:

"I'd probably see them. You know, I don't think it's their fault. It's not the parents fault. You know, I'd like to think I'm a person that's, you know, somewhat forgiving. And, I mean, they've got to be hurting in this situation as much as much as anybody."

Below is a promotional clip for the interview.

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CBS's "60 Minutes" spoke with two of Jared Loughner's friends, and the show also obtained a voicemail left by the alleged shooter the night before the fatal rampage.

People are gonna say he doesn't believe in anything but it's not that he doesn't believe in anything he literally believes in nothing, nothingness," one friend tells Scott Pelley.

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Mark Kelly, husband of Gabrielle Giffords, is asking people to volunteer today -- Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.

A statement released through Giffords' campaign chair, Michael McNulty, quotes Kelly as saying:

Many of you have asked how you can help and how you can honor the memory of those who were wounded or lost their lives. What united the victims of the tragedy on Saturday was service – they volunteered in church or at soup kitchens, worked in government, and tended to their communities. On behalf of Gabby and our family, I ask that you consider honoring their commitment to service by dedicating a few hours on Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, this Monday, January 17th, to volunteer in your community.

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Jared Lee Loughner may be tried in San Diego instead of Tucson on charges related to the fatal shootings from last weekend.

The Washington Post is reporting that federal authorities are making plans for the move to California, which must be approved by new chief judge Roslyn O. Silver. A law enforcement official told the Post, "it's going to happen. It's just a matter of time.'' They add:

Federal officials said San Diego would get the case in part because it's one of the closest judicial districts to Arizona. A San Diego-based federal judge, Larry A. Burns, was appointed last week to hear the case because Arizona judges recused themselves. Judy Clarke, Loughner's attorney, is also based there.

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Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' husband, Mark Kelly, spoke at a memorial on Sunday for Gabriel Zimmerman. He said that his wife was "improving a little bit each day. She’s a fighter."

It was Kelly's first public appearance since his wife was shot in the Arizona attack that killed Zimmerman, an aide for Giffords.

“I know someday she’ll get to tell you how she felt about Gabe herself,” Mr. Kelly said.

His wife loved Mr. Zimmerman “like a younger brother,” he said, and was inspired by “his idealism, his strength and his warmth.”

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The University of Arizona, where Giffords is in the hospital, has announced that her condition has been upgraded:

Three patients from the tragic shooting a week ago remain at UMC. Two are listed in good condition and U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords has been upgraded to serious condition from critical because she is no longer on a ventilator.

The Congresswoman continues to do well. She is breathing on her own. Yesterday’s procedures were successful and uneventful.

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On Sunday, Rep. Grace Napolitano (D-Calif.) and Rep. Tim Murphy (R-P.A.), co-founders of the Congressional Mental Health Caucus, appeared on CNN's "State of the Union" to discuss the need for improved response to mental illness in the wake of the Arizona shootings.

"I believe that we are not informing and educating the public enough to be able to help them be able to make the decision to help those they love," Napolitano told host Candy Crowley. "Unfortunately it does not hit the radar scope in Washington or almost in any state house … It's always something you don't talk about, you don't discuss because of the stigma, and I think we need to address that heavily."

Murphy said he hopes lawmakers at both the federal and state levels now "look carefully at their mental health systems and their involuntary commitment system laws," to prevent future attacks.

Read more of the interview and watch the video here.

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Mark Kelly, Rep. Giffords' husband, sits down for his first TV interview since the shootings with Diane Sawyer on a special edition of "20/20", ABC News announced today.

The program will air Tuesday night at 10:00 pm EST.

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New details have emerged about Jared Loughner's movements the night before he allegedly killed six people and wounded 13 in a Tucson, the AP reports:

He wandered through the dark streets of his hometown, meandering from one store to another on a furious all-night excursion as he prepared what authorities say were the final steps in taking revenge on a world from which he'd become progressively alienated.

Jared Loughner checked into a down-and-out motel. He picked up photos showing him holding a Glock 19 while wearing only a bright red G-string. He bought ammunition on one of three trips to two different Walmarts.

He called a high-school pot-smoking buddy, ran away from his father into a cactus-dotted desert and updated his MySpace profile to say, "Goodbye friends."

Read the who account here.

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ABC News' Christiane Amanpour visited Tucson to gather witnesses and victims together for the first time since last weekend's tragedy. ABC News reports on the event:

The colonel who wrestled the gunman to ground, the petite woman who knocked away his ammunition, the heroic intern who staunched the Congresswoman's bleeding – all joined Amanpour in Tucson. Other Members of Congress came to the town hall as well: Rep. Raúl Grijalva, D-Ariz., and Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., along with former Arizona Rep. Jim Kolbe. All the victims of the tragedy were invited and a thoughtful, forthright and stirring conversation ensued.

Anna Ballis, who was at the Safeway one week ago, talked to Amanpour about the moment of the shooting. She had intended to go the grocery store, but never made it inside. She remembered seeing Christina-Taylor Green, moments before the nine-year-old girl was killed. "I do remember looking over and seeing Christina, and she was quite excited about meeting the congresswoman, jumping up and down. And, unfortunately, she never made it," Ballis said, choking back tears.

Read the whole story and watch video excerpts here.

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Tucson's KGUN published a piece detailing the witnesses and victims who attended Christiane Amanpour's town hall on the Arizona shooting, during which the local Tea Party leader Trent Humphries received threats from shooting victim Eric Fuller.

KGUN reports:

It was the first time most of them had been together since Jared Lee Loughner opened fire in a Safeway parking lot, killing 6, and wounding or injuring 14 others -- a rampage that happened one week earlier almost to the hour.

On the platform with Amanpour were Col. Bill Badger, who helped tackle gunman Jared Lee Loughner; Daniel Hernandez, who ran to help wounded Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords while most people were ducking for cover, Patricia Maisch, who grabbed a magazine away from Loughner; Bill Hileman, whose wife, Susan, is still recovering from gunshot wounds.

On the front row was Kenneth Dorushka, who was shot shielding his wife from Loughner's gunfire; and J. Eric Fuller, who was shot in the knee.

Read the whole story here.

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12:34 AM on 01/23/2011
It wasn't news to the Loughner dad that Jared had a gun. Jared had a gun since he was 13 and the parents encouraged him to have a gun.
12:31 AM on 01/23/2011
Were the Loughner parents fans of Fox and Friends? If so, that would explain Jared's actions against Giffords. The Loughner parents probably watched Fox and Friends all day since they rarely left the house. The Loughner father probably listened to Rush every day and was probably a Rush wannabee like many of his neighbors in Arizona. Children should not be subjected to far right hatespeak propaganda and taught that it is "news".
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golfvue3
It's all ball bearings these days.
08:37 AM on 01/23/2011
probably, probably, probably with no evidence. Care to offer any evidence to the weak statement you just attempted?
06:29 PM on 01/17/2011
Go BEARS!!!!
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11:21 PM on 01/17/2011
Showdown in Chi-town, baby!

We'll be bringing it, don't you worry*
08:35 PM on 01/18/2011
Dude,
Fanned and Faved
12:43 AM on 01/24/2011
Yup, the Packers brought it.
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justsayno
All politicians lie
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magedfoxx
08:09 PM on 01/17/2011
1. Loughner wrote ''the number 6 could be called 18.''

This is easily explained.

Numerology was popular in biblical times.
Each letter in the Hebrew ''alefbet'' has a numerical value. These values can be used as numerals, as the Romans used some of their letters .
The numerical value of a word is determined by adding up the values of each letter.
There is an entire discipline of Jewish mysticism known as Gematria that is devoted to finding hidden meanings in the numerical values of words.

Therefore, Loughner was suggesting that ''6 ( Vav) could be 18 (Yod Cheit )'' or Chai.

The number 18 is very significant, because it is the numerical value of the word Chai, meaning life. Donations to Jewish charities are routinely made in denominations of 18 for that reason.

2. Loughner stated the obvious when he wrote,

“If 987,.....,618 is the year in B.C.E , then the previous year of 987,......,618 B.C.E is
987,.....619.''

He is correct.
Think of it as saying, 20 degrees below zero is colder than 15 degrees below zero is the same as saying 15 degrees below zero is warmer than 20 degrees below zero.

I would not be so hasty to accept the notion he is insane or to speculate as to his motive.
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justsayno
All politicians lie
08:15 AM on 01/18/2011
I have a feeling he was not a surface thinker. Quite possibly taking all known facts into consideration he had a broad ideology that encompassed not only right, but also left ideologies and theories. That is the truth as well and a lot of mental health professionals identify his behavior as potentially schizophrenic. There is no real answer… Just a bunch of facts one needs to be aware of so that they understand the truth and not what it is they want to believe… thanks for trying to find the truth…
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02:55 PM on 01/17/2011
I wonder if some of the straw men creators on this site ever get into conversations with them in their heads?
Mental illness is not exclusive to people that finally go off but seems to be a practicing cultural norm in America.
just read this site's post boards for a wile...
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03:28 PM on 01/17/2011
human brains are wired to look for patterns, in general.

Reality tunnel is a term coined by Timothy Leary

The theory states that, with a subconscious set of mental "filters" formed from their beliefs and experiences, every individual interprets this same world differently.

Every kind of ignorance in the world all results from not realizing that our perceptions are gambles. We believe what we see and then we believe our interpretation of it, we don't even know we are making an interpretation most of the time.

The idea does not necessarily imply that there is no objective truth; rather that our access to it is mediated through our senses, experience, conditioning, prior beliefs, and other non-objective factors. The individual world each person occupies is said to be their reality tunnel. The term can also apply to groups of people united by beliefs.

So, basically, every person existing in their own reality tunnel, is looking for "clues" or "patterns" that Jared held the opposite beliefs than theirs to prove the "rightness" of their belief system. Reality is not quite that simple nor linear, it was a complex set of life experiences and drivers(possibly set off a chemical imbalances) that set him off. Most recent studies show that poor environments can actually trigger chemical imbalances as well.

The truth is that Jared's environment, in all it's complexity, led him to this act with no singular cause or prevailing belief system.
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11:11 PM on 01/17/2011
Interesting..
i have heard things around this idea before.. and i agree for the most part..But i think our "awareness" of the very fact that some of the things that we believe may be false perceptions based on position (as Einstein stated) causes a critical thinker to self examine and check themselves to be sure they interpret things closer to the empirical evidence and therefor closer to  truth..
I believe fear plays a predominant roll in peoples choices in how and what  to "believe"
A survival instinct no doubt...
Studies have been done that show the more fear a person has the less empathy..
they seem to sit in the same place in the brain and one can not be dominant without the other being suppressed...This is documented research by the way..
Many people are trying to say he is simply crazy and that gets our sick society off the hook...
That is typical denial...environment plays a significant roll in belief and behavior.
And the American society is designed to be deeply sick to sell people solutions...
When people believe a false idea the truth will always battle the false idea..There are human truths as to what it means and is to be human and what humans need..Human health is truth anything that goes against this is false... its simple but our culture distorts this in order for some to exploit others... And most people are born into it now and have no idea that they live in a very sick society..Jarad was the congealing of all of it and it burst forth in violence and the immediate  whole world goes into massive denial that its not our distorted unhealthy society...Its not just the fact that society is complex it is that its a convoluted purposefully crated more complex then is healthy for ANYBODY. Especially some one not able to realize that most of this American cultural crap that is sold day after day is absolute rubbish and goes against every thing it means to be human...
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02:39 PM on 01/17/2011
Whats frighting is Jarrad was only slightly more unhinged then the average American...
this should be the real cause for alarm....He was the average American....WARNING!
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rowdybrowngirl
03:38 PM on 01/17/2011
Thank goodness I have never once considered myself an average American. :)))

Mornin Chaz :)
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11:26 PM on 01/17/2011
Hi Miz B

And good for you! not being an average beige person..
no one ever wrote a book about average.

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magedfoxx
08:12 PM on 01/17/2011
Jared unhinged?

please reconsider.

the average american, meh....
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11:27 PM on 01/17/2011
HA!
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02:23 PM on 01/17/2011
The negative zeitgeist linking is false propaganda by the way....reserve judgment until you have actually watched them and realize they never advocate violence but a shift and (radical to some in fear of change) change that we need if we are to prevent any more Jarad's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM7EWaxocIc&feature=related
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magedfoxx
08:19 PM on 01/17/2011
Loughner has told us why.

Many simply refuse to take the time to hear him, and I doubt few could understand him.

Instead, American will accept the explanation given by the media, the government, and their experts .
01:55 PM on 01/17/2011
So he was a Bush h@ter? Well, well.
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02:40 PM on 01/17/2011
And targeted a democrat.... Mr making Straw men........
06:28 PM on 01/17/2011
Indeed...and I've seen people right on this site who hated GWB because they were *to the right* of him.
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golfvue3
It's all ball bearings these days.
08:39 AM on 01/23/2011
Killed a Republican appt'd Federal judge.

And a Janet Reno / Clinton admin helped pave the way for him to get his gun(s).

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/19/politics/washingtonpost/main7262057.shtml
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NoLeHace
Thieves want your money and Dems want your money
10:43 AM on 01/17/2011
I would like to know why this article has not been discussed on this site?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&pagewanted=3&adxnnlx=1295272816-mzPTbiXmgfYK5d56DmiDjg
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10:56 AM on 01/17/2011
The shooter's mental condition has been discussed numerous times on several different threads under several different stories on this site. I have been part of those discussions. You don't have to take my word for it. You are welcome to click onto those stories directly.
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PurpleTomato
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10:58 AM on 01/17/2011
Very interesting article.Thanks for the link.
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tony wise
11:41 AM on 01/17/2011
yes it is a very interesting article.

Mr. Tidaback, it seems, was onto something. Several of Jared’s friends said he used marijuana, mushrooms and, especially, the hallucinogenic herb called Salvia divinorum. When smoked or chewed, the plant can cause brief but intense highs.

He became intrigued by antigovernment conspiracy theories, including that the Sept. 11 attacks were perpetrated by the government and that the country’s central banking system was enslaving its citizens. His anger would well up at the sight of President George W. Bush, or in discussing what he considered to be the nefarious designs of government.

“I think he feels the people should be able to govern themselves,” said Ms. Figueroa, his former girlfriend. “We didn’t need a higher authority.”

the last is particularly relevant given my earlier theory of socialist libertarian imo.
10:43 AM on 01/17/2011
Is the inane and juvenile tact this thread has taken reflective of the conundrum we all find ourselves in, after this tragedy?

What are the odds that the NRA will ever put some money behind a federal plan that includes background checks, mental health assessments and limits on how many rounds one clip can contain?

What are the odds that politicians would back a federal program that provides mental health counseling and assessment of gun owners?

These things will never happen so we are all feeling powerless and unable to create any change that would prevent such a tragedy again.
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10:49 AM on 01/17/2011
Is it naive to think a signature campaign in support of McCarthy's narrow sensible Maddow dubbed "gun fix" proposal could counter the might of the Bill Maher dubbed A.s.s.a.s.­s.i.n's lobby?
10:55 AM on 01/17/2011
I haven't seen these referenced proposal yet.
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
02:45 AM on 01/19/2011
What are the odds that the NRA was a huge advocate for the NICS system...
 
Psych evals for gun ownership? What other rights should require such mandates?
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Holden Mirror
(R) Tom Coburn should be gone
10:22 AM on 01/17/2011
Here's some misinformation concerning mental health public policy from our local flamethrower "Tonywise".....
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Tonywise..... "well not very good considerin­g democrats are still cutting mental heath services nationwide for thier pet projects."
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So in 2010, Arizona cut way way back on their mental health services under that Deomcrat Jan Brewer....... what?...... Brewer is a Republicans.....
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tony wise
10:39 AM on 01/17/2011
http://ocdd.org/index.php/ocdd/event_detail/312/

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/09/oregon_cant_keep_up_with_risin_1.html

Hard choices: Oregon can't keep up with rising health, social services costs

i am not wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11california.html

Deep Social Services Cuts Outlined in California

i am not wrong

http://www.lvrj.com/news/medicaid-cuts-look-inevitable-113865919.html


misinformation? no its not. dems are doing it.

why dont you just stop and be civil and quit hijacking the thread?
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Holden Mirror
(R) Tom Coburn should be gone
11:34 AM on 01/17/2011
Ummmm....... hijacking the thread? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!
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02:42 PM on 01/17/2011
he is a STRAW MAN creator....its a core ethics issue with these people. they have learned practiced and behave with zero personal integrity.
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PurpleTomato
Exile the Secessionists
10:21 AM on 01/17/2011
The insults are flying fast and furious on this thread.How about having a civil discourse about the article instead of rehashing the same tired personality clash that's going on here?
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tony wise
10:27 AM on 01/17/2011
i made a SECOND offer, and asked him to stop hijacking the thread,  and be civil. 

it was deleted :\
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Holden Mirror
(R) Tom Coburn should be gone
10:30 AM on 01/17/2011
The fact that you felt the need to reply to the above post tells me everything I need to know.

BTW, what offer did you make me?
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10:20 AM on 01/17/2011
Yes I'm gonna R@pture
Yes I'm gonna fly
I'll be heading straight for them Pearly Gates
And I won't even have to dye Yahoo!

I'll be trucking home on the Heavenly Route
Wearing nothin but my Birthday Suit
See you in that Sweet Bye and Bye

Praise the Lord and Pass the Rattlesnake.
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weebils
I like jalapenos and hot sauce
10:17 AM on 01/17/2011
A person with mental illness who gets treatment can live a normal life or even become another Ted Turner. Without treatment they become Loughner. Our choice.
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10:13 AM on 01/17/2011
Most wind up concluding that Loughner suffered from mental problems. But experts said that several oft-repeated phrases and concepts — his fixation on grammar conspiracies, currency and the "second United States Constitution" — seem derived from concepts explored with regularity among elements of the far right.

"What you can see across the board in his writings is the idea that you can't trust the government — that the government engages in mind control against its citizens," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which has long monitored the radical right.

Loughner's assertion that he would not "pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver" is a running theme among right-wing opponents of the Federal Reserve system.
01:57 PM on 01/17/2011
Come on! Give it up! You were wrong, again! The guy is a Bush h@ter, just like you!
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02:50 PM on 01/17/2011
If you are an advocate of the bush mentality and doctrine of deception as well as lies for war profiteering then you are one of the mentally unhinged in society and deserve a good looking at yourself..So when are you gona go off?