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Paul Ryan's State Of The Union Rebuttal: The Best They Got?

Paul Ryan State Of The Union Response

First Posted: 01/25/11 11:01 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:25 PM ET

Paul Ryan delivered a heck of a rebuttal tonight, especially if you wanted to make one of those "Sarah Palin breathing" videos. But as far as the facts -- on taxes, stimulus, and health care reform -- go, a lot of Ryan's rebuttal came rebutted-back in advance of its delivery.

Ryan: Not Exactly A Budget-Busting Genius

Ryan's budget plan doesn't balance the budget:

The CBO score that people are relying on to reach that conclusion doesn't actually estimate how much revenue Ryan would raise, instead it just takes Ryan's word for it that his ideas would raise 19 percent of GDP. That's because the CBO doesn't score tax issues, that's done by the Joint Committee on Taxation. But if you look at what Ryan's ideas would actually do, the truth is rather different.

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Ryan's Neat Trick On Taxation

As often as Ryan despairs over the high burden taxpayers face, it often goes unsaid that Ryan's own tax plan is an idiot exacta: It slashes government revenues while simultaneously raising taxes on 90 percent of taxpayers.

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Ryan and the "Failed Stimulus"

Ryan has declared the 2009 stimulus package to be a failure. This does not appear to comport to factual reality.

That's from the New York Times's David Leonhardt, who adds:

Just look at the outside evaluations of the stimulus. Perhaps the best-known economic research firms are IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody's Economy.com. They all estimate that the bill has added 1.6 million to 1.8 million jobs so far and that its ultimate impact will be roughly 2.5 million jobs. The Congressional Budget Office, an independent agency, considers these estimates to be conservative.

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The Affordable Care Act: Getting It Right

Rep. Paul Ryan, in tonight's rebuttal:

What we already know about the President's health care law is this: Costs are going up, premiums are rising, and millions of people will lose the coverage they currently have. Job creation is being stifled by all of its taxes, penalties, mandates and fees. Businesses and unions from around the country are asking the Obama Administration for waivers from the mandates. Washington should not be in the business of picking winners and losers. The President mentioned the need for regulatory reform to ease the burden on American businesses. We agree - and we think his health care law would be a great place to start. Last week, House Republicans voted for a full repeal of this law, as we pledged to do, and we will work to replace it with fiscally responsible, patient-centered reforms that actually reduce costs and expand coverage.

As Janet Adamy of the Wall Street Journal reports:

The actual impacts of the bill are more complicated. Overall, the report that the president cited found that, for most Americans, the Senate bill would keep their insurance premiums roughly the same. Employees of small firms would effectively see their insurance premiums unchanged, while workers at large firms would see something between unchanged and slightly lower premiums under the bill, according to the analysis, which was released in late November.

More than half of people buying their own coverage would qualify for the new insurance tax credits, available to families of four earning up to $88,000 a year. Those credits would significantly lower their health-insurance costs, leaving them paying 56% to 59% less than if no bill were passed.

The wrinkle in whether this would actually increase premiums is that consumers buying policies on their own with a new insurance exchange would be required to buy plans that, on average, are more generous than the ones they currently have. Because of that, they would pay higher premiums, the report found.

So overall, the bills would mean that more consumers would pay less for their insurance.

As to the matter of losing coverage, the answer is no. Per Politifact:

As for "hundreds of millions of people" losing their coverage, there is little evidence to support this. Republicans have been making the claim based on a study by the Lewin Group, which stated that 123 million people would choose a public option for health insurance if it were cheaper than their current coverage. (The Lewin Group is respected by many health care analysts and operates with editorial independence, but it is a subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group, whose primary business is private health insurance.)

Health care reform will spur job growth. Per the Center for American Progress:

Dealing with persistent unemployment is one of the top priorities of President Barack Obama and the leaders of Congress. One important way to create jobs is to slow the growth of medical spending. If health care cost increases slow down, then businesses will find it more profitable to expand employment, and workers will more readily move into those new jobs. ... In the analysis that follows, we combine these two studies to show that health care reform could increase the number of jobs in the United States by about 250,000 to 400,000 per year over the coming decade.

And repealing health care? Well, that would make the deficit boom. Per the CBO:

As a result of changes in direct spending and revenues, CBO expects that enacting H.R. 2 would probably increase federal budget deficits over the 2012-2019 period by a total of roughly $145 billion (on the basis of the original estimate), plus or minus the effects of technical and economic changes that CBO and JCT will include in the forthcoming estimate. Adding two more years (through 2021) brings the projected increase in deficits to something in the vicinity of $230 billion, plus or minus the effects of technical and economic changes.

And thanks to the CBO, we can see the stark human impact of repealing the Affordable Care Act in one graph:


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Paul Ryan delivered a heck of a rebuttal tonight, especially if you wanted to make one of those "Sarah Palin breathing" videos. But as far as the facts -- on taxes, stimulus, and health care reform --...
Paul Ryan delivered a heck of a rebuttal tonight, especially if you wanted to make one of those "Sarah Palin breathing" videos. But as far as the facts -- on taxes, stimulus, and health care reform --...
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sdmcmla 08:22 PM on 01/26/2011
I guess the HP moderators do not want any comments about the obvious creepy, distracting heavy breathing, and the abundance of powder and lacquer that would have made anyone look not unlike a corpse, even if they were not moaning Doom!.  Doom!  Doooooooom!.  So I will refrain from stating the obvious.  But instead, I will ask if I am the only one who found this whole thing just as weird  Read More...
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
01:18 PM on 01/31/2011
Finally, the numbers are in. If we follow Ryan's plans to reduce Social Security and Medicare benefits, cut spending, and keep taxes at 19% of GDP - IT WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET!

Problem is - It will add $62 trillion to the national debt and the budget will not be balanced until 2063.

Now that's a "fiscal conservative" plan ya gotta love!
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Cameron Hodge
Canadian Liberal Elitist
06:06 PM on 01/28/2011
It's not the GOP's job to put forth ideas that are going to work, its their job to make the rich richer.

As far as anything they've ever cared about Ryan seems right on course..
07:06 PM on 01/28/2011
Make the richer rich... so they can hire people and pay taxes... and donate to charities... catch on
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
12:00 AM on 01/29/2011
Get a grip!
rafaelkafka
"Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum!"
04:51 PM on 01/28/2011
CBO is partisan and Ryan is brilliant. There is anything non-partisan in America today.
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
05:57 PM on 01/28/2011
Wow! Two sentences and neither one makes sense! The CBO is specifically designated, and agreed to by both parties, to be a non-partisan arbiter of financial data. But, even if you don't agree with the CBO's conclusions, surely you're not suggesting that IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers and Moody's are all in collusion to produce data only in a partisan manner supporting only democratic opinions. And, anyone suggesting we can balance the budget by enacting a tax plan to raise taxes on the bottom 90% while further cutting taxes on the top 10% and reducing revenues by an additional $190 billion - is many things - but, "brilliant" is not among them.

And I don't even know how to begin to respond to "There is anything non-partis­an in America today. "

My apologies for being unable to speak gibberish.
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flyby777
Tea parties are for little girls, not government
09:28 PM on 01/29/2011
I'm with you. I've no idea what that gibberish meant. I am fluent in three languages but gibberish is not one of them. Thumbs up to you. F/F
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Antifascist-08
02:37 PM on 01/28/2011
Golden boy of the Republican Party. Their genius.

Works for me.

The more we learn about them, the worse they are going to do in the next election.
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AxelDC
09:34 PM on 01/27/2011
Ryan has the charisma of an account and the credibilit­y of one who worked for Arthur Anderson.
Fremon
Retired in Palm Desert CA
12:54 PM on 01/27/2011
If there is such concern in the Retard party, why did they grant tax extentions for the richest in the nation despite that it was only to be for 10 years? So much for fiscal responsibility and the Teaparty concern with the deficit! Not a peep from them!
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AxelDC
09:36 PM on 01/27/2011
When Bush pushed his unaffordable tax cuts that destroyed our budgets, he sold them as "temporary".  The minute he signed them, he started campaigning to make them permanent, calling their sunset clause, "The biggest tax cut in history."

Michelle Bachman claims this country is broke.  Our government is broke because we reduced taxes on the wealthiest people in the world to historically low rates while increasing defense spending to eclipse the rest of the world combined.
07:10 PM on 01/28/2011
Not a peep, where do you get your news? Open your eyes and ears... plenty of info.. many peeps from many peops
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
12:38 PM on 01/29/2011
Yep - and all in lock-step with republican mantra - cut taxes - cut revenues - add to deficit - whine about spending - rinse and repeat.
11:20 AM on 01/27/2011
This man looked stoned, his eyes as red as an stoner hippy.
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ObamAtomic
11:17 AM on 01/27/2011
Jindall V.2 the only difference Jindall walked to his"podium" Paul already seated.
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nana4g
10:37 AM on 01/27/2011
I am not an economist, I just know that when times are tough and your expenses are greater than your income, you need to increase your income and decrease your expenses. I do not think it makes sense to decrease both.

Yet, if we are to believe the gloom and doom and potential Armageddon of Ryan's message, and fear that the last centrury in America was our last great century and there is no hope for another, I have to say, that it cannot be all that bad if he and his Party were intent on slashing the income with tax cuts for the most wealthy amongst ad infinitum. I do not believe the country will be saved, or that our next great century depends solely on cutting the strings to those hammocks of Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid as we preserve all the hammocks for those least in need of them.

If we can extend all of those tax cuts, we can spend money to make money, to Invest In America. Why did he not respond to the SOTU and argue against the address, ie, argue against Investment In America? Now, that would have been a response worthy of consideration. Otherwise, what he said was nothing we have not heard before and not any kind of Plan for a viable future. No individual, no family, no community, no business, no country thrives with stagnation, without continual investment. Eventually, you are outdated and no one wants it.
10:11 AM on 01/27/2011
This 'response' was not a response. It's only meant to set everyone at each others throats. The young v. the old to undermine social security. The middle class v. the poor to the benefit of the wealthy.

He sets those with health insurance at the throats of those without health insurance for the benefit of the insurance companies.

He sets citizen against citizen for the protection of bond holders.

He wants us to fly at each others throats to give the wealthy their tax breaks.

He goads the employed into a rage against the unemployed and their hammocks, to protect the bankrupt banks.

His 'facts' are meant to blind us and being blinded or 'alone in the dark' enhances and increases our fears and believability that the boobyman in our room are our neighbors not our leaders or wealthy who have just turned off the lights.

His 'response' is the definition of divisiveness.
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nana4g
10:46 AM on 01/27/2011
To really respond to the SOTU address and to offer an opposing view, he would have had to argue against Investing In America, which was the theme and the content of the SOTU address.

As it was, the contrast is evident. The SOTU address believes in a future for America if we take certain steps to meet the challenges of a new norm, using all that we have used in the past to get this far: education, creativity, innovation, industriousness, and "can do".

The response tells us we are headed for having lived the last great century for America; we are doomed; it is over and the only thing we can do is extend tax cuts to the wealthy in perpetuity and cut those hammocks for the rest of us, ie, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment, etc, because that, not unfunded expensive wars, unfunded Part D prescription plans, not greed and corruption of financial institutions, not job outsourcement, not tax loopholes, not anything else, is what caused us to be in this situation, and the only thing that will save us, is more of the same.

I go with the Investment In America thing.
rafaelkafka
"Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum!"
04:55 PM on 01/28/2011
"Investing" in America = Liberal words for More Debt, biggest debt ceiling, more chaos.
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notright guy
everything you know is wrong
09:52 AM on 01/27/2011
The illiterates will just not read the facts, if Rush says he is a genius then the baggers just nod and follow like lemmings off the cliff.
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Wolfsghost
Former rif-raf, ex child.
09:18 AM on 01/27/2011
Young, black hair, bleached teeth, he is one of the best with those qualifications. He is almost a clone of the new senator from Florida. They could be monozygotic.
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Mygirl
Retired Librarian
08:59 AM on 01/27/2011
Ryan reminds me of Alfalfa from the Little Rascals.
08:53 AM on 01/27/2011
It was like "Eddy Munster" of the Adams Family telling us he just ripped the head off his sister's favorite doll.
11:06 AM on 01/28/2011
THAT'S who he reminded me of -- exactly! Creepy Eddie Munster, all grown up.
08:32 AM on 01/27/2011
I sometimes get the feeling that the GOP has a suit that they need filled by some bland, white guy. If the suit fits, they get to speak in front of the camera. No test of knowledge or facts, just fit into this suit. Lights, camera, action!