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Housing Double-Dip Looms After Round Of Weak Data

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 01/27/11 11:47 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

New housing market data suggest the housing market may be once again headed for trouble, making the recovery in the larger American economy even more tenous.

The one bright spot for the housing market from this week -- sales of newly built homes were up 17.5% in December according to the Commerce Department's numbers -- is undercut by a sharp drop in the number of mortgage applications over the last three weeks.

On Tuesday, the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller index, which is widely considered a gauge of the housing market's health, indicated that home values are dwindling in nearly every American market. From the AP:

Prices fell in November in all but one of the 20 cities in the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller index released Tuesday. Eight of those markets hit their lowest point since the housing bubble burst.

The damage from the real estate bubble has spread well beyond Las Vegas, Phoenix and Miami, which built frantically during the mid-2000s, and is sapping prices from coast to coast. In many places, prices are expected to keep falling for at least the next six months.

Additionally, many analysts attribute the December jump in sales, which was concentrated on the West coast, to a rush for home buyers to beat the deadline of a tax credit set to expire in California.

"The impressive increase in new home sales in December is mainly due to the rush to beat the deadline of a tax credit in California," Paul Dales, an economist at Capital Economics wrote in a widely circulated email. "Without that boost, new sales would have been broadly unchanged. Moreover, new sales in California will probably fall this month, dragging down overall sales."

The research division of Goldman Sachs was likewise skeptical of whether the December boost signaled an improved market. From a report released yesterday:

Following a long streak of disappointing data, housing market indicators have recently looked somewhat better. In particular, existing home sales showed substantial gains in December. During the last few weeks, however, the number of mortgage applications has declined sharply--by a cumulative 14% during the last three weeks.

The report went on to suggest that this drop in mortgage applications may indicate bleak months ahead:

The number of mortgage applications, however, has declined sharply in recent weeks. Specifically, the volume of mortgage applications for purchase--reported in a timely fashion every week by the Mortgage Bankers Association--declined by a cumulative 14% during the last three weeks. Does the decline in mortgage applications suggest that home sales are set to decline again in coming months?

All this seems to suggest that a double dip in the housing market could be at hand. David Blitzer, chairman of S.& P.'s Index Committee, told the Washington Post that these latest numbers suggest "that a double dip could be confirmed before spring." From the Post:

This "double dip" in real estate represents one of the worst fears of housing analysts and is developing just as it appeared that the overall economy was recovering. For now, many economists expect prices to keep slipping at least through the first half of the year, dragged down by the nation's large volume of foreclosures and high unemployment rate.

"The upshot," Paul Dales wrote, "is that December's new home sales data provide a misleadingly optimistic picture of demand for new homes. At best, the underlying trend remains flat. New home sales will probably rise this year, but only gradually. It's still not a very good time to be a homebuilder."

As the NYT put it on Tuesday, "Whether the long-predicted double dip is looming or has already arrived is a quibble of semantics."

"We shouldn't kid ourselves," Blitzer told the Times. "The last few months have been weak."

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New housing market data suggest the housing market may be once again headed for trouble, making the recovery in the larger American economy even more tenous. The one bright spot for the housing ma...
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jwilson1
07:38 PM on 01/31/2011
I have a lot of friends that after 2.0 years have been able to weather the recession. They owned small businesses and so they had to cut staff, cut costs and hold back. Now after two years of insanity they are selling their homes closing their companies and firing all the employees and them selves. It is a horrific for some great hard working business owners. This is what happens when you let bankers run wild. How ironic bankers cheating people out of their money! Isn't there something wrong with that they are always telling everyone to pay their bills. 90 percent would have failed without government intervention. I guess they just didn't understand about money!!!!!!!
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05:56 PM on 01/31/2011
Foreclosure filings (not sure how "foreclosure filings" are different than "foreclosures"):

2005 885,000

2006 1.3 million

2007 2.2 million

2008 3.2 million

2009 2.8 million

2010 3.8 million

5 million are currently delinquent

12 million are underwater

8 million are almost underwater -

If values drop another 5% - 20 million will be underwater - 40% of all homes with a mortgage.

You have to wonder what will be the fallout to banks and the broader economy and to people's lives for years even decades to come.

9 trillion in home equity has already been obliterated off the balance sheets of homeowners if not the banks and investors.

18.4 housing units are vacant year round (census). 11% of all homes.
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jwilson1
07:40 PM on 01/31/2011
By 2013 11 million more homes will be in forclosure
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joebhed
Greenback Revolutionist
09:05 PM on 01/30/2011
Gee, I read the whole page of comments and it seems like there's not a lot of appreciation for the fear of housing prices taking another downturn - which they will of course.
The problem is that we've just gone 2-3 years of refi's that salvaged millions of homes from foreclosure using the zero interest rate basis to the max.
That kept millions of people in their homes, just barely above water, and Billions of dollars of mortgaged assets from defaulting with the MBS baggage attached.
The result is this booming jobless recovery.
The shadow/investment bankers cannot afford the second shoe dropping.
And drop it must.
So this is not about the value of the housing stock relative to the confidence that brings to the national economy.
It's the kerflooey hitting the fan, another round of foreclosures, layoffs, wage losses and deflation.
It's the direct result of the debt-based money system of fractional-reserve banking on the regulated commercial banking side, and the wanton disregard for sound business practices, that is the excess leveraging, on the unregulated shadow / investment banking side.

It's not the double-dip in housing.
It's Round 2 of the Debt-Deflation Cycle.

The solution is a new money system.
Who's working on that?

http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/NEED_ACT.pdf

"For the government to permit banks to issue money, borrow that money, and pay interest on it is idiotic!"....Bill Hixson

The Money System Common
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Peter007
09:46 AM on 01/30/2011
This is a housing cycle. Housing is usually the last segment of the economy to recover.
The last balloon cycle of high prices was a doozy and the subsequent fall was just as big.
Big Up and then a big Down

This too shall pass.
06:19 PM on 01/29/2011
First, in the article "tenous" should be "tenuous". Then, the author missed another contributing factor to slow sales of used homes - the EPA's ridiculous policy on lead-safe rehabbing of pre-1978 homes. Contractors are forced to go through extreme procedures if they remove more than 6 sq. ft. of wall that has lead-based paint (which almost all paint used to be) - even if the homeowner has no vulnerable family members (children or pregnant women). The contractors can be subject to fines of $37,500 per day if they fail to comply, and they are liable to lawsuits if anyone becomes ill from lead-based paint for the life of the home!

In response, many contractors are simply refusing to work on older homes. People will refuse to buy homes when they can't get contractors to take on the rehab jobs!
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Shaun Hensley
The American Experiment has failed
10:40 PM on 01/29/2011
Good. Safer and more work. Good job EPA More of the same, please.
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
11:30 PM on 01/29/2011
the govt having unintended consequences that werent taken into account...no way
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Erinaleks
Architectural Artisan, Free Thinker
08:14 AM on 01/29/2011
Housing is over priced. Ask someone trying to buy a house. 3-5% average annual increase for 200 years. 25% increase a year was absurd for particle board junk in McSuburbia. The new new slums to nowhere.
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
09:46 AM on 01/29/2011
Schlocky and in the middle of nowhere - we are a nation in trouble.
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Mondayboy
Rebel with a cause
05:15 AM on 01/29/2011
any wise person will by now know that buying a house is a total waste of money. there is no american dream, just a constant nightmare filled with war spending (1 trillion dollars a year)
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
09:41 PM on 01/28/2011
Ok. If you don't like the housing in the United States, move to Africa, South America, China or Russia. The grass is always greener on the other side of something right?
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
09:47 AM on 01/29/2011
How about creating better housing here in the USA?
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
02:14 PM on 01/31/2011
We have better housing here but without a stable job it is unaffordable.
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Shaun Hensley
The American Experiment has failed
10:41 PM on 01/29/2011
Piss off.
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4TJefferson
Promote the General Welfare
02:14 PM on 01/31/2011
Oh. Brilliant.
11:33 AM on 01/28/2011
The national media continues to harp on the negatives - foreclosures, shadow inventory and one of their favorites, minor monthly fluctuations in the S&P Case-Shiller Index. There continue to be significant foreclosures on the horizon and a high number of underwater mortgages that likely will become foreclosures or short sales. Case-Shiller Index will likely continue to show monthly fluctuations and in some local markets, even ongoing declines in value. But t2011 will prove to be the start of a long lasting recovery for housing.

Americans have embraced the belief in home ownership and it is now a fundamental part of our national psyche. According to a survey last month by FNMA, the housing crisis hasn't quenched the homeownership thirst. More than 51% of people said the recent troubles did not change their willingness to buy a home and an additional 27% said it actually made them more likely to do so.

According to a story from Forbes last month titled “Home Prices Exit 2000s Way Up, Despite Crash”, despite the real estate bubble, the bust and the mortgage mess, housing had a superb decade. In fact, the value of a square foot of housing in the U.S. is up 58% from its January 2000 level for the 25 largest U.S. metropolitan areas.

Population growth continues strong in the US. When employment increases and consumer confidence returns (already on its way back up), it will fuel increased household formations that equal housing demand.

http://www.residentialmarketingblog.com/
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flahkoh
11:57 AM on 01/28/2011
You post with the single minded zeal of a real estate agent.
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
06:43 PM on 01/28/2011
I was thinking along identical lines. But I suppose there are some healthy pockets in real estate here and there?
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DismayedRepub
300km/s Not just common sense, it’s the law
12:28 PM on 01/28/2011
Daniel, 2011 is not even close. We have a huge wave of Option ARMs resetting between now and the summer of 2012. By the nature of the Option ARM type of loan I’d say only a very small percentage of them are not underwater. These mortgagees will not be able to refinance out of their existing mortgages and end up in default. We could see another million homes foreclosed well into 2013 and there is a real danger that is could cause a snowball effect into the other segments of the mortgage market. Predictions of another drop of 10% in home values are wildly optimistic.

http://dailyreckoning.com/extending-the-housing-bust-predictions/
10:30 AM on 01/28/2011
The housing bubble was a Fed/bank hoax perpetrated on feeding the American dream of "lving large" on ever rising and propped up home equity values. Everybody was a winner except those left out. All we're doing now is paying the piper and seeing what real, declining, middle class income can support for shelter needs. Re-inflating the economy with easy credit and low real interest rates that produce bubbles of "fast money" profits has been our go-to solution for economic stagnation since the Great Depression. The Fed has been working over-time since 2008 laying the foundations for the next bubble to bail us out. Keep the faith, America......unlikely to be a housing bubble next time (so watch the type of properrties you buy now) but when the speculative bubble expands in whatever fantasy Wall Street creates, housing prices will benefit. Just a matter of letting the Fed keep puffing, puffing, puffing it up. And they are puffing big time!
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IndyFem
10:19 AM on 01/28/2011
The same entities that created this mess.....are the same entities perpetuating the damages....

* They are refusing to cooperate with homeowners who are attempting "short sales" in lieu of foreclosures.
* Instead, they force foreclosures rather than accept a pay-off amount based on current values.
* They proceed to "auction" off these homes to the highest ALL CASH bidder (which is much lower than what they would have received via "short sale."
OR
* They take back the homes themselves and market them at low prices (much lower than they would have received via a "short sale")
* They accept ALL CASH offers... over all of the others (even though the ALL CASH offers are the lowest ones received)

EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY DO THIS...THEY BRING HOME VALUES DOWN!!!
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09:10 AM on 01/28/2011
It will be good to see housing prices return to realistic rates where regular people will not feel shut out of the market. Subprime loans and bad faith lending were not part of the 'American Dream' and used by unscrupulous people who were on the instant gratification train.
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Shaun Hensley
The American Experiment has failed
10:43 PM on 01/29/2011
Nonsense. Housing was blowing up for OVER A DECADE in the Bay Area before the beginning of the sub prime explosion.
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james rimes
Armonicamedia
07:41 AM on 01/28/2011
Many economists have said that housing prices will continue to fall through 2014, perhaps by as much as 20%. So long middle class....
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james rimes
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