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Vitter, Paul Target Birthright Citizenship For Children Of Illegal Immigrants

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First Posted: 01/27/2011 3:28 pm Updated: 05/25/2011 7:30 pm

WASHINGTON -- Republican Sens. David Vitter (La.) and Rand Paul (Ky.) are seeking to deny birthright citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants by changing the U.S. Constitution.

The Supreme Court has consistently held that the Fourteenth Amendment grants automatic citizenship to those born on U.S. soil, but Vitter and Paul said Thursday that right should not extend to the children of undocumented parents. They introduced a congressional resolution that would amend the Constitution and close what they call a "loophole."

It's incorrect to assume "the 14th Amendment confers birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens, either by its language or intent," read a statement from the Senators. "This resolution makes clear that under the 14th Amendment a person born in the United States to illegal aliens does not automatically gain citizenship."

The last constitutional amendment was passed in 1992, more than two centuries after it was submitted by Congress to the states. Most successful amendments have been enacted within a few years of being proposed, but they are rare. In the past 140 years, only 12 have become law.
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Ed. note: This story has been updated to clarify that this is an attempt to amend the Constitution itself, not merely a legislative resolution to suggest an interpretation of the document.
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The debate over interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment hit a fever pitch in Congress last summer, when Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said undocumented immigrants come to the country to "drop and leave" their children and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) said he feared "anchor babies" would be used by al Qaeda to raise radicals with American passports.

At the state level, legislation similar to the Vitter-Paul resolution is already underway. Arizona state Sen. Ron Gould (R) and state Rep. John Kavanagh (R) agreed to unveil bills jointly on Thursday that would limit citizenship to children with at least one parent who "has no allegiance to a foreign country." The bills have already garnered support from state Senate President Russell Pearce, the author of Arizona's controversial 2010 immigration law SB 1070. A number of other state lawmakers plan to introduce similar legislation.

Because states administer birth certificates, state legislators claim they have the right to change how citizenship is defined under the Fourteenth Amendment. This could, however, create a patchwork system of citizenship criteria.

Led by Pearce and Republican Pennsylvania state Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, some state lawmakers formed the 14th Amendment Citizens Model Committee to draft such laws this past fall.

In some states, the goal is for the law to be challenged. Texas state Rep. Leo Berman (R) said in October he hoped his bill would lead to a Supreme Court case in which the court could reassess how birthright citizenship is defined.

But most legal scholars say the Court has already issued rulings on the amendment, which was adopted in 1868 to overturn the Dred Scott ruling and affirm citizenship for freed slaves and others of African descent. The Court ruled in 1898 that a child born in the United States to non-citizens was a citizen under the law.

If these efforts to change the Fourteenth Amendment came to fruition, it could significantly increase the number of immigrants considered to be in the U.S. illegally, which currently stands at an estimated 11 million people. In 2008, about 340,000 babies, or 8 percent of the babies born in the United States that year, were born to illegal immigrants, according to a Pew Hispanic Center study released last year.

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WASHINGTON -- Republican Sens. David Vitter (La.) and Rand Paul (Ky.) are seeking to deny birthright citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants by changing the U.S. Constitution. The Supreme C...
WASHINGTON -- Republican Sens. David Vitter (La.) and Rand Paul (Ky.) are seeking to deny birthright citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants by changing the U.S. Constitution. The Supreme C...
 
 
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Freesia2 10:14 PM on 01/27/2011
Shame on you. Shame on both of you. All I hear is Constitution this and Constitution that and the most amazing thing is that every single self serving proposition you and yours come up with Vitter and Paul is always, invariably, (sure as water being wet) based on the infallibility of the constitution. Mustn't let it be the living breathing document that the Founding Fathers you  Read More...
02:50 PM on 03/24/2011
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spytheweb
08:00 PM on 02/09/2011
"In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."
09:06 PM on 01/29/2011
"Arizona state Sen. Ron Gould (R) and state Rep. John Kavanagh (R) agreed to unveil bills jointly on Thursday that would limit citizenship to children with at least one parent who "has no allegiance to a foreign country." "
So how far would this go back? Ronald Reagan's parents were both born in the United States but his father's parents were both born in Ireland. Which means had this been the law of the land Reagan's dad could not have been "born" an American even though he was born in America. His maternal grandmother was born in England (she moved her to be a servant. Interesting her grandson became President!) but from what I can tell his maternal grandfather was an American. So it looks like Reagan's mom could have been an American if this was law then because at least of the parents (his mom) could pass muster if this had been law.
Seems complicated. And then of course if we went back far enough (and not so far for most of us), no one could be a citizen because, except for Native Americans, all of us have relatives that immigrated here originally from another country. Even Rand Paul and David Vitter.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
10:37 PM on 01/29/2011
Regarding  S. J. RES. 2
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.J.RES.2:
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You wrote, "So how far would this go back?"
 
If you are alive, one of your two parents
No further
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You wrote, "Ronald Reagan's parents were both born in the United States but his father's parents were both born in Ireland. Which means had this been the law of the land Reagan's dad could not have been "born" an American even though he was born in America."
 
You are missing some proof.
 
Do you have proof that both, not one, of RR's grandparents on his father's side were:
 
1) Illegal aliens, at the time of RR's father's birth, which ARE NOT performing active service in the Armed Forces of the United States
 
or
 
2) Visitors to the USA using a legal temporary visa without dual intent, at the time of RR's father's birth, which ARE NOT performing active service in the Armed Forces of the United States
 
If you do not have that proof
 
Then you would be incorrect
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
10:41 PM on 01/29/2011
Regarding  S. J. RES. 2
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.J.RES.2:
____________________________________________
 
You wrote, "...from what I can tell his maternal grandfathe­r was an American."
 
Then RR's mother would have automatically been a citizen at birth according to S. J. RES. 2
Which means RR would automatically have been a citizen at birth as well
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You wrote, "And then of course if we went back far enough (and not so far for most of us), no one could be a citizen because, except for Native Americans, all of us have relatives that immigrated here originally from another country. "
 
Not correct.
 
1st) It would have to be after the U.S. Constitution goes into effect 1788
 
2nd) There was no 14th Amendment in 1788 through July 8th, 1868
 
Therefore, there was no automatic birthright citizenship during that time
 
3rd) I have already found in 1790 from the Library of Congress words regarding "a Uniform Rule of Naturalization"
 
1790 "alien" CHAP III Section 1.
http://rs6.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=001/llsl001.db&recNum=226
 
4th) There are 4 criteria in S. J. RES. 2, one of those is "naturalized in accordance with the laws of the United States"
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seegray
"oppression can beget nothing other than itself.â€
01:00 PM on 01/30/2011
"2nd) There was no 14th Amendment in 1788 through July 8th, 1868

Therefore, there was no automatic birthright citizenshi­p during that time"
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I think you are incorrect. There WAS automatic birthright citizenship for a select part of the population. We whities; that's how all my relatives became citizens, after the Naturalization Act of 1790 definitely, and actually probably prior to that as well. The law of 1790 formally excluded non-free persons, and non-white persons.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
02:40 PM on 01/30/2011
To: seegray
 
Reading comprehension?
 
"...who shall have resided within the limits and under the Jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years..."
 
That is what is written here:
 
1790 "alien" CHAP III Section 1.
http://rs6­.loc.gov/c­gi-bin/amp­age?collId­=llsl&file­Name=001/l­lsl001.db&­recNum=226
The link that I provided you.
 
Therefore, you are putting forth a falsehood when you posted, "
 
seegray, "There WAS automatic birthright citizenshi­p..."
 
Likely you were attempting to smear.
 
Especially, when you go out of your way like you did to put forth a falsehood
08:47 PM on 01/29/2011
To become a U.S. Senator you have to put your hand on a bible and swear to ""support and defend the Constitution." I guess Rand Paul thought he was agreeing to amend the Constitution.
These two should be impeached.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
10:51 PM on 01/29/2011
Do you realize that you just said
 
All of the U.S. Senators that voted for
 
...the 1st Amendment, adopted December 15, 1791, through the 27th Amendment, ratified in 1992,
 
did not "support and defend the Constitution."
 
That is what you said.
07:54 PM on 01/29/2011
OK. Let me try to figure this out again. It is against the law to enter this Country ILLEGALLY. Correct? OK. However, if you do come into this country ILLEGALLY and have a child, we will reward that child with a U.S. birth certificate and make him or her a citizen of the United States, pay for the birth and get the child on welfare so the mother can get money to stay in this country...and that's not ALL! We will school that child and the child will get food stamps, the child will get FREE school lunches, and that's not ALL! The mother and the child can have FREE healthcare and get into public housing, and that's not ALL! The more children you have, the more money you will get. But keep in mind, it is against the law to enter this country ILLEGALLY! Do I have that right? OK. How do you feel about Birth Tourism?

http://www.eturbonews.com/15529/us-birth-tourism-becoming-flourishing-business

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/03/birth_tourism_i.php
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
09:27 PM on 01/29/2011
If you page forward to comments somewhere around 12 or 13, I recall approximately, someone there requested proof of US birth tourism. Perhaps you would like to provide it to them?
 
However, before you do, since I have not done so, be certain that your source has credibility.
 
I am F & F you because generally speaking, I agree with what you posted
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INDIVIDUALTERRY
Occupy this!
09:44 AM on 01/29/2011
Why do we value our country so little we allow it to be a dumping ground for the poor and opportunist criminals from Mexico?
Mexico is a democratic country fully capable of supporting its people but instead is allowed to dump their propblems on us.
We are not the "rufuge " of the worlds "huddled masses " we are the laughing stock of the world for being the only country not being in control of our own sovereignty.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
05:40 PM on 01/29/2011
F & F
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Captain Ron
Sí, se puede!
05:23 AM on 01/30/2011
Fanned & fav'd!
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Dbos
Single payer universal health insurance agent
11:36 PM on 01/28/2011
Everyone would have to prove their ancestors came here legally other wise they are out of here,I would bet some of these politicians family snuck in avoiding the mental requirement.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
09:15 PM on 01/29/2011
  S. J. RES. 2
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:S.J.RES.2:
 
Does not state "ancestors"
 
  S. J. RES. 2 states, if you were born in the USA, ONLY ONE of your two parents, not "ancestors."
 
You only have to go back to Mom or Dad
If one parent meets the requirement, you are done.
 
Genuine citizens present proof that they are citizens when they register to vote in USA elections.
 
Nobody has a problem having to "prove" they are citizens when they register to vote in USA elections
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08:59 PM on 01/28/2011
Senators Vitter and Paul certainly have come up with a cruel and discriminatory idea that they want put into law. No way gentlemen. Furthermore, even more preposterous, is the idea that since states administer birth certificates legislators can claim the right to change how citizenship is defined under the 14th Amendment.

To paraphrase Joseph Welch during the McCarthy hearings in 1954: "Have you no sense of decency, Senators? . . . have you left no sense of decency?"
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azlegalcitizen
INDEPENDENT
02:14 AM on 01/29/2011
To paraphrase Joesph Welch 'Have you no shame, presidents calderon and obmama? Both of the presidents are encourging the mexicans to invade our land, one to rid his country of illtiterate and unemployed nativ es of mexico and the other hoping to garner future dem votes in 2012/ NEITHER PRESIDENT HAS NEITHER A SENSE OF SHAME NOR ANY DECENCY.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
11:21 PM on 01/29/2011
Agreed !
 
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03:15 AM on 01/30/2011
How easily one can veer off the subject. At issue are what immigration hard-liners call “anchor babies†– children born in the U.S. to undocumented immigrants but who automatically are US citizens under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
11:29 PM on 01/29/2011
What
Federal law or
 Constituional law states that
   a county territory under state rule cannot refuse to provide or delay certification of a birth certificate?
 
 A state can make it mandatory to delay certification of all birth certificates until the following is satisifed:
 
A person born in the United States shall not have birth certificate certified in this [ insert ] county unless--
(1) one parent of the person is a citizen of the United States;
(2) one parent of the person is an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States who resides in the United States;
(3) one parent of the person is an alien performing active service in the Armed Forces of the United States; or
(4) the person is naturalized in accordance with the laws of the United States.
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Fattonecat
whoops !!
08:43 PM on 01/28/2011
Racists
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
11:31 PM on 01/29/2011
Feigning race is not an excuse to break USA immigration laws
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Giveadamn
Don't let them school you or even try to fool you.
08:39 PM on 01/28/2011
So you can't be born here, and be a citizen, but you get it free when you buy Fox???
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azlegalcitizen
INDEPENDENT
02:16 AM on 01/29/2011
What a piece of nonsense, what were you trying to say? Try again cause you sure didn't get your point across. buying fox?
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Giveadamn
Don't let them school you or even try to fool you.
06:21 AM on 01/29/2011
It's only nonsense if you didn't know that Rupert Murdoch only became a citizen to buy fox news with.
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azlegalcitizen
INDEPENDENT
02:40 PM on 01/29/2011
OK thanks for your explaination. What is the difference between the illiteate, job stealing illegals coming into our coutry? At least murdock spent some cash here instead of just taking like the miilions of illegals.
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Giveadamn
Don't let them school you or even try to fool you.
07:58 PM on 01/29/2011
Your perception of Mexican citizens as job stealing is a little sad. Are you saying that you can't compete with them? If they can do it better, American companies hire them. Ironically, some of the very same companies that supply Murdoch with that filthy cash he spends here.
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bayguy13
08:12 PM on 01/28/2011
I hope that they also target citizenship for ignorant political hacks.
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azlegalcitizen
INDEPENDENT
02:16 AM on 01/29/2011
That would lighten up the dems numbers wouldn't it!!!!
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bayguy13
02:18 PM on 02/01/2011
But it would decimate the job killing Repubs.
doctora chiripa
animal lover
07:45 PM on 01/28/2011
Keep it up GOP, just keep alienating all the minorities.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
12:00 AM on 01/30/2011
Why would "the minorities" be aliented by attempting to stop illegal aliens using the 14th Amendment to usurp USA immigration laws?
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linnwood
07:16 PM on 01/28/2011
Vitter is just prickly because his diaper is too tight.
06:34 PM on 01/28/2011
I guess "original intent" is only good when it is the same as their intent.
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07:29 PM on 01/28/2011
You just completed your first two years of law school with that comment.....
rixter1965
I'll respect your beliefs, but at least be consist
06:19 PM on 01/28/2011
Pay no attention to that man behind the (brothel) curtain.