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Where's The Afghanistan War's John Murtha?


First Posted: 01/28/11 08:43 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:25 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Before Nov. 17, 2005, Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) was best known as a conservative Democrat with ties to the defense industry and a penchant for earmarks. A Marine Corps veteran of Vietnam, he had strong credentials on security issues and was widely admired for his expertise as the leading Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee's defense subcommittee. He supported the first Gulf War in 1991 and voted to authorize the use of force against Iraq in 2002.

But three years after that authorization vote, Murtha -- who passed away in February 2010 -- shook up Washington by calling for "the immediate redeployment of American forces" out of Iraq, fundamentally shifting the debate on the war. While hardly the first lawmaker to come out against the war, his announcement was significant because, as a hawkish Democrat, he was such an unexpected messenger.

"It is time for a change in direction," said Murtha, choking back tears in his remarks to reporters. "Our military is suffering, the future of our country is at risk. We cannot continue on the present course. It is evident that continued military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the Iraqi people or the Persian Gulf region."

When Murtha spoke out, the war in Iraq had been going on for more than two and a half years, and polls showed that between 50 and 60 percent of the U.S. public was questioning whether it ought to continue. Today, the war in Afghanistan has been going on for nearly 10 years and 63 percent of the public says it is opposed to further U.S. involvement. But so far, no Murtha figure has emerged.

"His opposition really shook people up," said Matthew Hoh, a former Marine Corps captain with combat experience in Iraq who was working at the State Department in 2005. "It shook the administration up because this was someone who could lead an organized effort. This was not your usual suspect on military or international affairs, this wasn't Dennis Kucinich. ... Before that, the people who were against the war were mostly strictly anti-Bush or they were strictly antiwar."

In 2009, Hoh resigned his position as a foreign-service officer in Afghanistan over concerns about the U.S. strategy in the war. Shortly after his resignation became public, Murtha brought Hoh to speak to several members of the House defense appropriations subcommittee, and later invited him to address the entire Democratic caucus at one of their closed meetings.

According to Hoh -- who still keeps a pocket knife given to him by the late congressman -- Murtha was deeply skeptical over the direction of U.S. policy in Afghanistan, comparing it to Vietnam and Iraq and saying, "I'm not going to let us get into another mess like that."

A former Murtha staffer also told The Huffington Post that the congressman had been a "skeptic" on Afghanistan after making multiple visits to the country. "He always said as soon as we become seen as an occupying force, we lose in Afghanistan, because suddenly we're not seen as fighting on behalf of the people, we're seen as a foreign army here to take your land and children, basically," the staffer said. "Certainly he believed that we weren't fighting al Qaeda there any longer. The information has shown that al Qaeda has fled to Pakistan, and we're here."

Murtha's pronouncement on Iraq carried particular weight because he had initially voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq. What he did, in his former staffer's view, changed the discussion so that lawmakers could be against the war but still support the troops. The staffer said several senators called Murtha after he spoke out, thanking him for what he did.

After his shift, some Republicans also started turning against the war in Iraq. "John Murtha was a giant, always will be in the Congress," Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) told The Huffington Post. The conservative Jones, who represents a heavily militarized district, also voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq and helped lead the effort to rename french fries in the House cafeteria "freedom fries." He came to regret both moves, and is now an outspoken critic of the war in Afghanistan, having sent nearly 10,000 personal letters of condolence to the immediate and extended families of fallen service members.

By 2007, three Republican senators had joined with Democrats to advocate withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq. So far, there's no such bipartisan Senate coalition on Afghanistan -- at least not publicly. On Tuesday, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said of the war, "As the Republican leader of the Senate -- I think I can speak for virtually all of my members on this, but not all of them -- we support what the president's doing. So I think that even though we are a country that greatly values life and always hates it when we lose anyone, the post-9/11 mission of keeping Afghanistan from becoming a haven again is important."

Advocates of withdrawal from Afghanistan were hard-pressed to name a figure such as Murtha who could shift the debate on the war as was done with Iraq. A few people tossed out Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.), Scott Brown (R-Mass.), Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), and Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) for their strong national security credentials and/or bipartisan appeal, but all admitted that it was unlikely they would take up Murtha's legacy.

"It was a real, real blow to our efforts. It really was," Hoh said of Murtha's death. "I think we'd be in a different place right now. I don't think the administration would have gotten away with the review it just supposedly had -- the December progress review -- after they had announced the policy in Lisbon. I don't think Murtha would have let them get away with that kind of thing. I think Murtha would have brought along other unusual suspects with them, and we'd have a much more united, much more vocal opposition in Congress reflecting American public opinion right now than if he had passed away."

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WASHINGTON -- Before Nov. 17, 2005, Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) was best known as a conservative Democrat with ties to the defense industry and a penchant for earmarks. A Marine Corps veteran of Vietnam,...
WASHINGTON -- Before Nov. 17, 2005, Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) was best known as a conservative Democrat with ties to the defense industry and a penchant for earmarks. A Marine Corps veteran of Vietnam,...
 
 
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Kevin Atlanta 09:18 AM on 01/28/2011
Murtha, a Hawk who lined his own pocket at America's expense was, when he was making his remarks agianst the Af-Pak fiasco, lining his own pockets again.  The absolute poster-child for DINO this disgusting excuse for a human had no clear position at any time in his political life but, like all in office now, sold his votes to the highest bidders.
The Holy Republican Cults of Jesus Inc in all their  Read More...
01:14 PM on 01/29/2011
His seat, the famous PA-12 district of the special election last year, is targeted to be the one PA loses in reapportionment. How fitting.
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AmeriGus
Wore On Terror
10:10 AM on 01/29/2011
Didn't Grover Norquist say it was time to call it over? Unlikely anti war voice but that's how rare they are today.
heckmepitus
Truth, justice and the American way
09:13 AM on 01/29/2011
Liberals weren't against the war in Iraq so much as they were against Bush. So no Bush means Liberals are now perfectly fine with the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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Darlie Brewster
HAOL is censored, the truth is not here.
10:39 AM on 02/03/2011
No it doesn't. Liberals still don't want to be in Iraq.
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bayonet division
Choose this day whom you will serve.
08:02 AM on 01/29/2011
Waiting for one of the three daily flights at John Murtha "Pork Chop" Airport?
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CapeJack
05:05 PM on 01/30/2011
Probably in one of those gulags smoking some pol pot.
05:48 AM on 01/29/2011
He served his country well please let him rest in peace. This is silly. Let him rest.
09:58 AM on 01/29/2011
Please......................
craig asia
Not part of upper-most 2%...yet!
02:03 AM on 01/29/2011
My guess is that he's somewhere in the afterlife wondering why the best medical system in the world managed to screw up his last operation.
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Moti
Guns 'n Moses
01:07 AM on 01/29/2011
Semper fi - except in Murtha's case, dirt bag.
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Darlie Brewster
HAOL is censored, the truth is not here.
10:42 AM on 02/03/2011
He served, he took the hits for telling the truth, he was a better person than you.
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Moti
Guns 'n Moses
01:05 AM on 01/29/2011
Where? Hopefully in the same place the Iraq War Murtha is - in the ground.
09:45 PM on 01/28/2011
You mean, which Congressman's family is become insanely wealthy like Murtha's did?
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tinyrainbows
12:49 AM on 01/29/2011
And then slandered American servicemen? What a traitor.
07:08 AM on 01/29/2011
Murtha? For sure

Check the record on him and his cronies
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Darlie Brewster
HAOL is censored, the truth is not here.
10:42 AM on 02/03/2011
Half of congress.
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Chris Herz
09:38 PM on 01/28/2011
Sure, here in Washington everyone knew Murtha was just as crooked as anyone else in Congress, but his long experience in the sewers here made him not want to get flushed. We've now got far greater problems than who know what and when. Latin America is defecting from the Washington consensus, and now it would seem the Arabic speaking countries are on their way out.
Will these paralell bankruptcies of both policy and economics send us along the same path as the late USSR?
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CapeJack
05:14 PM on 01/30/2011
He had a lot in common with Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd. Built personal wealth on the backs of working stiffs and blamed Republicans for everything wrong in the world. It's truly amazing that so many leftists continue to idolize them.
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Darlie Brewster
HAOL is censored, the truth is not here.
10:43 AM on 02/03/2011
Half of congress are millionaires.
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mike dougles
08:52 PM on 01/28/2011
Forget Iraq, when are we going to get out of Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
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Shukr
There I was...
06:27 PM on 01/28/2011
The anti war movement was anti bush just as the tea baggers are anti obama and people of color
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tony wise
06:31 PM on 01/28/2011
you were against the war just because you were against bush?

seems silly imo.
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mike dougles
08:48 PM on 01/28/2011
Where I work we used to have war protesters across the state in a town green, Obama won, the wars go on, the protesters have not been seen since Obama won.

I would guess they dont care as much now that Bush is not there to protest, just a thought.
07:52 PM on 01/28/2011
That is a completly st00pida$$ thing to say. Asinine comments like that strip the term racism of any real meaning. Everybody calling each other 'nahtsi' only makes the term meaningless and the racism charge is close behind.
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tony wise
06:25 PM on 01/28/2011
bhokara ..are you jared loughner? 1. you are quite angry and abusive. just like loughner. 2. you say you have a gun. 3. you talk about orwells newspeak..which = mind control through grammar. loughner got the theory from orwells "1984". you are kinda freaky dude. get help.
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tony wise
05:53 PM on 01/28/2011
its been half an hour bhokora

"It's like a de.ad dog, your commet is not going to smell better with age. Better to just admit you were totally de.ad wrong and get it over with."

PART of a quote IS NOT A DIRECT  QUOTE.
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tony wise
05:56 PM on 01/28/2011
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/17/ftn/main544228.shtml

the FULL quote

SCHIEFFER: If we do have to take action, do you think it will be a long war or a short war?

CHENEY: My own judgment based on my time as secretary of Defense, and having operated in this area in the past, I'm confident that our troops will be successful, and I think it'll go relatively quickly, but we can't...

SCHIEFFER: Weeks?

CHENEY: ...we can't count on that.

SCHIEFFER: Months?

CHENEY: Weeks rather than months. There's always the possibility of complications that you can't anticipate, but I have great confidence in our troops. The men and women who serve in our military today are superb. Our capabilities as a force are the finest the world has ever known.
They're very ably led by General Tommy Franks and Secretary Rumsfeld. And so I have great confidence in the conduct of the military campaign. The really...

SCHIEFFER: Par...

CHENEY: ...challenging part of it to some extent may come in the aftermath once the military segment is over and we move to try and stand up a new government and turn over to the
Iraqi people the responsibilities to their nation.

cheney 1

bokara: 0
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tony wise
06:00 PM on 01/28/2011
quite clearly the "weeks not months" was in reference to the military campaign against saddam. NOT the entirey of the war, as you claimed.

admit you were wrong, and that you continue to lie to try to cover yourself.
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06:07 PM on 01/28/2011
I was not wrong. If you are unable to see from this quote that Cheney told the American people that the entire Iraq War would last "weeks, not months", I cannot help you. I was right, you are wrong. Any other interpretation of this quote indicates mentalillness on the part of the reader.
05:37 PM on 01/28/2011
Murtha was a criminal; remember abscam ?
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mike dougles
08:49 PM on 01/28/2011
But a dem criminal so its not big deal.
Heck remember a certain senator from MASS. and driving over a bridge?
12:37 AM on 01/29/2011
Add to your list a Mass rep whose last name means "candid" and a Connecticut senator whose first name means "Christ-carrier." -- Two more Democrats.

We'll tackle the Republicans next round.