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Deficit Provokes Concern From Moody's

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 01/28/11 10:30 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

National Deficit

If the U.S. doesn't reduce its deficit, the consequences could be dire, two groups of experts warn.

The ratings agency Moody's, whose judgments affect the behavior of investors worldwide, said it might one day downgrade its assessment of U.S. government debt, Bloomberg News reports. A negative outlook from Moody's on the debt of the nation with the world's largest economy -- though unlikely and not imminent -- could send tremors through the global marketplace.

"Although no rating action is contemplated at this time, the time frame for possible future actions appears to be shortening, and the probability of assigning a negative outlook in the coming two years is rising," wrote Steven Hess, a Moody's senior credit officer, according to Bloomberg.

Moody's isn't the only group that's worried. The International Monetary Fund, the organization that oversees the world financial system, headquartered in Washington, said the U.S. deficit is likely to injure the U.S. economy if its growth is not checked. The warning echoed that of Moody's.

"The U.S. has a lot of credibility. This does not imply their credibility can last forever," said IMF fiscal affairs director Carlo Cottarelli, according to the Washington Post.

After the worst financial crisis since the Depression, the U.S. has had to borrow and spend money to rescue its -- and the world's -- economy. In such a climate, spending now outpaces revenue by about $1.4 trillion, and the national debt has surpassed $14 trillion.

In 2007, before markets crashed worldwide, the budget deficit was equivalent to 1 percent of the U.S. economy. Now, it equals about 8.8 percent of the economy. The U.S. has the highest ratio of debt to revenue of any country that bears the highest Moody's rating. At 426 percent, that figure is more than double those of Germany, France and the U.K, according to Bloomberg.

Fears over a mounting deficit and growing debt have gripped both parties in Congress in recent months, and the debate will likely intensify as Congress must decide whether to raise the U.S. debt limit this year.

Economists have argued that the government imbalance is not as urgent or severe a problem as many elected officials say, noting that the dollar is the world's reserve currency, and the U.S. economy is the world's largest. U.S. Treasury bonds are as rock-solid as investments come.

A ratings downgrade, if it were to happen, would likely hobble the U.S. economy in unforeseen ways.

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If the U.S. doesn't reduce its deficit, the consequences could be dire, two groups of experts warn. The ratings agency Moody's, whose judgments affect the behavior of investors worldwide, said it mig...
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anonymous67
01:50 PM on 01/31/2011
Yet more ELITIST PROPAGANDA -- what a joke! These people need to crawl back into their bunker with their bankers before people take to the guillotine. Why are these crooks not in PRISON???
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Ramenra
11:54 PM on 01/30/2011
In other words Moody's doesn't see how it can profit off the US deficit unlike the bad mortages they continually signed off on as investment grade.
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Ramenra
11:51 PM on 01/30/2011
It's amazing, Moody's signed off on all the bad mortgages as investment quality and now wants to try to bully the US to go it's way. I think they would all feel different if they had put all of them on trial for what they really did instead of just slapping their hands.
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sf omega man
10:54 PM on 01/30/2011
"... the U.S. has had to borrow and spend money...."

Uh, no we didn't have to. Wall Street, the Congress, and both presidents chose to do so.

Alternatives that called for wiping out the speculators that got us into this mess were, for the most part, ignored out of hand.
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Lahonda
Bynocent Instander
10:28 PM on 01/30/2011
NOW they speak up. Weren't these the same guys who blindly approved those mortgage bundles. Real wizards there. Thanks a lot for nuuuthin'.
10:04 PM on 01/30/2011
Moodys graded crappy mortgage securities as AAA for years. Who believes them?
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joebhed
Greenback Revolutionist
08:10 PM on 01/30/2011
Someone needs to tell Moody's an uptown secret.
A monetarily sovereign nation with the monopoly power to create the nation's currency cannot by definition default on its loans.
The crime is that the government borrows money in the first place, despite it's monopoly power and sovereign rights.
There is one solution that work s for the American workers.
Take back the money system.

http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/NEED_ACT.pdf

The Money System Common.
Problem solved.
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Rachael Marie
10:24 PM on 01/30/2011
First, we are not a monetarily sovereign nation with a monopoly power to create our currency (though we should be). We gave that power away a long time ago to the the private central bank, The Federal Reserve. As a result, all money is now loaned into existence. Under such a system, the Government could default if the loaning entities stopped loaning, and the Government didn't have enough to cover its promises.

That said, the NEED Act is at least a recognition of how Unconstitutional our current system is.
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
04:08 PM on 01/30/2011
our government has left our best interest at the door!
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Intolerantcentrist
No thanks…I brought my own air.
12:46 PM on 01/30/2011
From: “CONCLUSIONS OF THE FINANCIAL CRISIS INQUIRY COMMISSIONâ€; http://c0182732.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/fcic_final_report_conclusions.pdf

“In our report, you will read about the breakdowns at Moody’s, examined by the Commission as a case study. From 2000 to 2007, Moody’s rated nearly 45,000 mortgage-related securities as triple-A. This compares with six private-sector companies in the United States that carried this coveted rating in early 2010. In 2006 alone, Moody’s put its triple-A stamp of approval on 30 mortgage-related securities every working day. The results were disastrous: 83% of the mortgage securities rated triple-A that year ultimately were downgraded.â€

This is not to say that Moody’s is wrong in their current assessment, but rather if they are creditably right.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
02:36 PM on 01/30/2011
At that time, Warren Buffett owned 20% of the Moody's stock and he was privy to inside information....but did he do anything to stop it,,,,heck no because he was in cahoots with the banks and the fees were TOO TEMPTING to refuse.....
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Intolerantcentrist
No thanks…I brought my own air.
03:22 PM on 01/30/2011
TBTF, GSE’s, the Ratings agencies, Hedge funds… It’s not about the customary capacity of financial products, but rather the personal gain and the protection of future personal gains that can be extracted from transactions related to these products that are the issue.
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guveqzero
Inventor and Innovator
11:42 PM on 01/29/2011
Dire? It is already dire for millions of lives. Better take your blinders off. Unless the people participate in your party, you are living a dream.
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James Fisher
09:47 AM on 01/29/2011
Lets see,,,is this the same Moodys that rated junk as AAA?
11:37 AM on 01/29/2011
Exactly!!! Moody's, Standard & Poors and Fitch all testified before Congress that their ratings were just, "their opinion"(s), thus were not culpable, nor should they be held accountable for for CDO's they rated, (for a fee) AAA or at the least AA. (Equivalent to Government Bonds)

How can an agency, whose business model is to rate credit worthiness and gets paid for it, testify under oath that the product they SELL, is just their opinion,?

If it is just opinion, (not a product) then why MUST it matter?

This happened not years or months but, day's before implosion.

"Ratings agencies, in particular Fitch, Moody's and Standard and Poors have been implicitly allowed by governments to fill a quasi-regulatory role, but because they are for-profit entities their incentives may be misaligned. Conflicts of interest often arise because the rating agencies, are paid by the companies issuing the securities — an arrangement that has come under fire as a disincentive for the agencies to be vigilant on behalf of investors."

Who else was complicit in this Transfer of wealth?

"Many market participants no longer rely on the credit agencies ratings systems, even before the economic crisis of 2007-8, preferring instead to use credit spreads to benchmarks like Treasuries or an index. However, since the 'FEDERAL RESERVE REQUIRES' that structured financial entities be rated by at least two of the three credit agencies, they have a continued obligation.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating_agency#Criticism
12:05 PM on 01/29/2011
World English Dictionary
opinion (əˈpɪnjən) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]

— n
1. judgment or belief not founded on certainty or proof
2. the prevailing or popular feeling or view: public opinion
3. evaluation, impression, or estimation of the value or worth of a person or thing
4. an evaluation or judgment given by an expert: a medical opinion
5. the advice given by a barrister or counsel on a case submitted to him or her for a view on the legal points involved
6. a matter of opinion a point open to question
7. be of the opinion that to believe that

And for this they receive the ins@ne monetary compensation they do?
11:54 AM on 01/29/2011
...don't forget the little people.
U.S. PIRG has conducted at least six studies between 1991 and 1998 and each time has found a shocking number of serious errors in consumer credit reports. US PIRG’s most recent study in 1998 revealed the following:

o Twenty-nine percent (29%) of the credit reports contained serious errors --false delinquencies or accounts that had never belonged to the consumer --that could result in the denial of credit;

o Forty-one percent (41%) of the credit reports contained personal demographic identifying information that was misspelled, long-outdated, belonged to a stranger, or was otherwise incorrect;

o Twenty percent (20%) of the credit reports were missing major credit, loan, mortgage, or other consumer accounts that would demonstrate the positive creditworthiness of the consumer;

o Twenty-six percent (26%) of the credit reports contained credit accounts that had been closed by the consumer but incorrectly remained listed as open;

o Altogether, 70% of the credit reports contained either serious errors or other mistakes of some kind.

"In a more recent study by the Consumer Federation of America and the National Credit Reporting Association, the problems of inaccuracies and inconsistencies continued to plague consumer credit reports upon which credit scores were based."

This is a, 'for profit' business model system that enables ANYONE, to put a derogatory in one's credit history, and it's up to the consumer to find it or pay someone to purge it.

http://epic.org/privacy/preemption/rodriguez6.4.03.pdf
11:42 PM on 01/28/2011
Really?
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rtx47
10:14 PM on 01/28/2011
Starting this year (that's why the 'wake-up' discussion), Social Security pays more than what it takes in contribution. Govt will dip in general revenues to fund SS; like it does Medicare.

From this year there will be 1 million boomers per year who will start to receive SS; along with 7000 new additions every day to Medicare. This goes on for 20 years. Hence now, there's no money to borrow (from SS Trust Fund), but a deficit to pay, which gets worse every year, thanks to retiring boomers.

Seniors as a group have the lowest poverty rates than other demographic group, including children. Its time we look at safety nets. We cannot use SS to subsidize 80% well-off seniors who receive far over their SS contribution + ROI.

For long we use low-end of the tail of a 'bell curve' to formulate govt. payouts in various sectors. This is a bonanza for those in the median. Those at the other end are making-out like bandits.

Treasury can only payback the borrowed SS fund by taxing wage earners AGAIN. These earners are paying 50% of income in various federal, state and local taxes.

Right now our ANNUAL budget deficit is 1.5 Trillion; on top of the 14 Trillion accumulated debt.
We can argue about the past while we are falling over the cliff; and stop arguing­, when we hit rock bottom.

Bottom line: We should'nt leave our debts to children, grandchild­ren and yet-to-be-born Americans.
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James Fisher
09:58 AM on 01/29/2011
Or we could get rid of the cap totally and lower the age of retirement to 50 so we can make room for all the unemployed thereby raising more revenues to pay off the debt.

When are you going to learn,,, this is a community and that you wouldn't have a dime in your pocket if your community did not support you, Think what you might the only place your ideas work are in a cave by yourself
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rtx47
07:30 PM on 01/29/2011
It is not the "community" supporting us.

It is the children, grandchildren and the yet-to-be-born Americans being forced to support us by the massive debt we are leaving them.
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halfpricefaustian
Voted for Obama. Waiting for Godot.
01:12 PM on 01/29/2011
What you are really saying is that the US government has a structural deficit and that deficit is not related to Social Security. The structural deficit needs to be identified and fixed, whether by spending cuts or increased revenues, or both. By law the SS trust fund can only be used to pay SS benefits, so it is time to get the funding of the rest of the government under control. The SS trust fund must be repaid.
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rtx47
07:31 PM on 01/29/2011
Now we gotta execute what your rightly state!
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James Fisher
09:05 PM on 01/29/2011
hear here Faved
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structurequity
structurequity not oppression
08:54 PM on 01/28/2011
The credit invocators should be prosecuted and closed down for their open legged horizontal stance in confirming offal as highly rated vehicles
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structurequity
structurequity not oppression
08:53 PM on 01/28/2011
moody's?