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Egypt Pro-Government Supporters Clash With Anti-Government Protesters

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AP/The Huffington Post   First Posted: 02/02/11 07:49 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

CAIRO - Several thousand supporters of President Hosni Mubarak, including some riding horses and camels and wielding whips, attacked anti-government protesters Wednesday as Egypt's upheaval took a dangerous new turn. In chaotic scenes, the two sides pelted each other with stones, and protesters dragged attackers off their horses.

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The turmoil was the first significant violence between supporters of the two camps in more than a week of anti-government protests. It erupted after Mubarak went on national television the night before and rejected demands he step down immediately and said he would serve out the remaining seven months of his term.

Wednesday morning, a military spokesman appeared on state TV Wednesday and asked the protesters to disperse so life in Egypt could get back to normal. The announcement could mark a major turn in the attitude of the army, which for the past two days has allowed protests to swell, reaching their largest size yet on Tuesday when a quarter-million peace packed into Cairo's central Tahrir Square.

Nearly 10,000 protesters massed again in Tahrir on Wednesday morning, rejecting Mubarak's speech as too little too late and renewed their demands he leave immediately.
In the early afternoon Wednesday, an Associated Press reporter saw around 3,000 Mubarak supporters break through a human chain of anti-government protesters trying to defend thousands gathered in Tahrir.

Chaos erupted as they tore down banners denouncing the president. Fistfights broke out as they advanced across the massive square in the heart of the capital. The anti-government protesters grabbed Mubarak posters from the hands of the supporters and ripped them.
The two sides began hurling stones and bottles and sticks at each other, chasing each other as the protesters' human chains moved back to try to shield the larger mass of demonstrators at the plaza's center.

At one point, a small contingent of pro-Mubarak forces on horseback and camels rushed into the anti-Mubarak crowds, swinging whips and sticks to beat people. Protesters retaliated, dragging some from their mounts, throwing them to the ground and beating their faces bloody.

Protesters were seen running with their shirts or faces bloodied, some men and women in the crowd were weeping. A scent of tear gas wafted over the area, but it was not clear who had fired it.

The army troops who have been guarding the square had been keeping the two sides apart earlier in the day, but when the clashes erupted they did not intervene. Most took shelter behind or inside the armored vehicles and tanks stationed at the entrances to Tahrir.

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Ahram Online reports:

A spiritual leader of Somalia's Islamist Shebab rebels called for popular Egypt- and Tunisia-style revolts to topple the government.

Sheikh Jama Abdusalam said such uprisings would rid the war-wracked country of a government that he accused of serving Western interests.

"I am urging the people to carry out Egyptian- and Tunisian-style uprisings in Somalia," Abdusalam told Alfurqaan Radio, a Shebab mouthpiece.

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Egypt's military rulers called for an end to strikes and protests Monday as thousands of state employees, from ambulance drivers to police and transport workers, demonstrated to demand better pay in a growing wave of labor unrest unleashed by the democracy uprising that ousted Hosni Mubarak's regime.

The statement by the ruling military council that took power from Mubarak appeared to be a final warning to protest organizers in labor and professional unions before the army intervenes and imposes an outright ban on gatherings, strikes and sit-ins.

Soldiers cleared out almost all the remaining demonstrators from Cairo's Tahrir Square, the giant traffic circle that was turned into a protest camp headquarters for the 18-day revolt. During more than two weeks of round-the-clock demonstrations at the square, protesters set up tents, brought in blankets, operated medical clinics and festooned the entire plaza with giant banners demanding removal of the regime.

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Al Jazerra's Evan Hill filed a new set of photos from Cairo, documenting the return to some semblance of normality, following the political unrest of recent weeks.

More from Al Jazerra here.

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The Guardian reports:

There are rumours – and let us stress, just rumours at this point – of more deaths in Bahrain following today's protests.

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@ felix85 : France says Egypt asks it to freeze possible assets of ex-officials, adding to UK and Germany already today

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Wael Ghonim, a regional marketing manager for Google in the Middle East tells 60 Minutes about the support that the company provided when he was detained for his role in the protests.

There is more video from Ghonim's interview with 60 Minutes here.

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Hundreds of Egyptian police have been protesting outside the country's Interior Ministry. They are demanding better wages and seeking to disassociate themselves from the deaths of protesters in the run up to the ouster of Hosni Mubarak from the Presidency.

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Ahram Online reports:

A crowd of about 3,000 protesters, mainly lawyers and students, tried to march from Sanaa University to Al-Tahrir square in the city centre, where [Yemen President] Saleh's supporters have been camped since last week, but were prevented by security forces who erected barbed wire, witnesses reported.

In a move to manage the situation President Saleh halted constitutional procedures which may have allowed him to assume the presidency for life, and possibly pave the way for his son, the chief of the Republican Guard, to succeed him.

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The Guardian reports:

A major development in Bahrain where there are reports that one person has been killed by security forces during a protest:

According to sources in the hospital, and confirmed by Nabeel Rajab from a Bahraini human rights organisation, Ali Abdulhadi al-Mushaima, 27, was shot in the back with live ammunition. Protesters are incensed.

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@ thelede : Live Update: Dozens of Iran Protest Clips on YouTube http://nyti.ms/dG1C5M #Egypt #Bahrain #Iran

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The New York Times reports:

Two generals sat down Sunday night to talk about their country’s future with seven of the revolution’s young organizers — including the Google marketing executive Wael Ghonim — and the young activists posted their notes on the meeting directly to the Internet for the Egyptian public to see.

“We all sensed a sincere desire to preserve the gains of the revolution and unprecedented respect for the right of young people to express their views,†two of the young organizers, Mr. Ghonim and Amr Salama, wrote in their Facebook posting, with the disclaimer that they were speaking only for themselves. They noted that the generals spoke without any of the usual “parental tone (you do not know what is good for you, son),†and called the encounter “the first time an Egyptian official sat down to listen more than speak.â€

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@ AJEnglish : Clashes reported in Iran protests: Pro-reformist marches under way in Tehran despite a heavy security presence a... http://aje.me/fqbkTi

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Ahram Online reports:

According to activist Ahmed Nassar, Moussa, Secretary General of the Arab League, stated that he will be devoting his time in the coming months to his presidential campaign as soon as he hands over his Arab League post in March.

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@ richardengelnbc : #egypt.. some APCs moved out of downtown.. feeling cairo is slowly being 'demilitarized,' although military in control

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@ BBCWorld : US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton hails 'courage' and 'aspirations' of anti-government protesters in #Iran, from AFP

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Videos have been surfacing today showing protesters burning images of government leaders in Iran. This video shows a man, alleged to be a plain-clothes policeman, attempting to stop protesters from burning such an image, resulting in a violent skirmish.

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BBC News reports:

Unrest in Yemen turned ugly as protesters clashed with police and government loyalists in Sanaa on the fourth consecutive day of rallies.

Thousands of protesters demanding the resignation of President Ali Abdullah Saleh came up against a smaller crowd backing the veteran leader.

The protesters could be heard chanting "After Mubarak, Ali", in reference to the recent dramatic events in Egypt.

Police fired tear gas and stones were thrown, with reports of injuries.

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Reuters reports:

Dozens of Iranian opposition supporters were arrested on Monday while taking part in a banned rally in Tehran to support popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, an Iranian opposition website said.

"Witnesses say in some parts of Tehran security forces arrested dozens of protesters," opposition leader Mirhossein Mousavi's Kaleme website reported.

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FACTISFACT
A war veteran. Finally retired
10:07 PM on 02/04/2011
It is interesting to observe the world playing the pied piper's role to carry the protesters to the brink of Israeli planned trap to rehabilitate Mubarak. Planned killing is on as per Israeli plan taxing the patience of the protester to allure them to the final stage to complete the mass massacre and rehabilitate The tyrant Mubarak the dedicated Israel's paid servant and facilitator of the Israel's genocide committal in GAZA strip.

The World forum has already taken the diplomatic shelter of leaving the matter in the hands of the people to die with the intent to leave no trace of evidence of the massacre. This is the latest diplomacy of the world body under the name and style Israeli Diplomacy of MOSSAD Author the master Assassin PM of Israel.

The PM of Italy the shameless shameless character of a Ugly made country by him is in support of the tyrant ruler Mubarak's and against the pro democracy protesters. This sex menace is a shameless child of a prostitute and a black spot of not only the nation but also of the European Union calling democratic countries union..
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DD2005
04:46 PM on 02/04/2011
This just in.... a good facebook friend of mine, ex co-worker is Egyptian. Many of her friends are Egyptian so I have been following the story from their perspective. FYI: a friend of hers in Egypt just managed to post this on to her facebook wall:

"Trust me whats going on here.... half of it isnt aired either way nor on local news or foriegn.....Im still here till the 19th"
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DD2005
04:35 PM on 02/04/2011
In a nutshell:

Citizens kept quiet.... United States continued to funnel money to Egypt disguised as aid while Egypt continued to send that money back to buy US Military weaponry. Of course some of that money was the pay-off money that allowed Egypt to mind its own business in Iraeli issues.

Citizens Revolt: Now the US condemns the leader of a nation that has been dictatorial. How quickly the US Gov forgets that they funded this beast.

How many times has this story played out over the last 30 years with our nations and why is the United States always involved in some way shape or form?

People were starving in the streets of America but the Government always found some pocket change to send over to Egypt. You have to keep the Military Inudstrial Complex moving......keep those weapons factories going 24 hours a day!

Anything that the United States says now is hypocrisy at its finest. Oh how naive so many people are.
02:08 PM on 02/04/2011
How long before the unemployed here in America drag Obama out of the White House. I guess that is how we settle our differences today by militant behavior. The events in Egypt will only lead to unaffordable gas prices for the masses here who are unemployed or underemployed.
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Dave Harpe
Was young, now old.
03:47 PM on 02/03/2011
It's no surprise to me that Mubrak's goons are the first to resort to violence. Even more strongly than ever, I feel that the sooner he is gone, the better.
Karama
Procrastinator
08:25 PM on 02/03/2011
They are probably not even his supporters, but do it for money (rent-a-crowd).
02:09 PM on 02/04/2011
Save the gas you have, you will need it.
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paparandy
Power to the People! Right On!
02:39 PM on 02/03/2011
Nasser, Sadat, Mubarak. All military men. Is there any doubt who really controls Egypt?
Karama
Procrastinator
08:23 PM on 02/03/2011
I agree! The next one will most probably also be a general. Then the West will try to make him offers he can't, or find difficult to, refuse, but the oil countries and China have a lot of money too!
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11:33 AM on 02/03/2011
TheWorldBlowsUpTommor The USA acts in its own interest--whether or not they involve democracy in other parts of the world. Democracy is a hope, but not a necessity. The USA is not even a democracy; we are a republic. I am not wholeheartedly for democracy at the cost of everything else--and neither were the founding fathers. Adams exlaims my view perfectly:

"Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself. There was never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
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What are you smoking and can I have some?

Levity aside, what's with "US is not a democracy?" Do you forget there are something called free and fair elections in USA?

I guess now you're going to tell me you never voted for the neo-cons, you never supported the invasion of Iraq, you never voted Republican/Bush etc etc.

The last US President went around the world justifying an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation with the flowery promises to bring democracy to the world. Well, man up or shut up and leave the world alone and cut the defence budget by half at the very least.
01:23 PM on 02/03/2011
The US is a Constitutional Republic.
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01:54 PM on 02/03/2011
@capercaper. The terms are not mutually exclusive to describe how a country governs itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy
In contemporary usage, the term democracy refers to a government chosen by the people, whether it is direct or representative.[77] The term republic has many different meanings, but today often refers to a representative democracy with an elected head of state, such as a president, serving for a limited term, in contrast to states with a hereditary monarch as a head of state, even if these states also are representative democracies with an elected or appointed head of government such as a prime minister.[78]

The Founding Fathers of the United States rarely praised and often criticized democracy, which in their time tended to specifically mean direct democracy; James Madison argued, especially in The Federalist No. 10, that what distinguished a democracy from a republic was that the former became weaker as it got larger and suffered more violently from the effects of faction, whereas a republic could get stronger as it got larger and combats faction by its very structure.
What was critical to American values, John Adams insisted,[79] was that the government be "bound by fixed laws, which the people have a voice in making, and a right to defend." As Benjamin Franklin was exiting after writing the U.S. constitution, a woman asked him "Well, Doctor, what have we got—a republic or a monarchy?". He replied "A republic—if you can keep it."[80]
07:29 AM on 02/03/2011
If Obama was serious about condemning the attacks, he would already sent in troops to protect the protesters.

Mubarek is using the same tactics as were used in Seattle '99 (disguise corporate-hired goons as protesters to sabotage a peaceful protest)

Mubarek has the full support of the State Dept/White House. This is clear.
07:55 AM on 02/03/2011
How many troops? Perhaps 200,000? You are talking nonsense. You must be the only anti-globalization protester in the world who favors US military intervention on foreign countries.

Most peculiar.
08:33 AM on 02/03/2011
It's called "Cleaning up the dung you dropped". Mubarek is a corporate puppet dictator, - a product of big oil and Zionist extremism. You've obviously no clue about Mideast foreign policy.

Most peculiar.
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Zutroy
05:07 AM on 02/03/2011
Mubarak will continue to send thugs until he's gone. It's literally the last lever he has left against Egyptians. The Army won't repress people for him and the Police have essentially dissolved.
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Euroview
04:15 PM on 02/03/2011
It would be more accurate to say that the police has gone underground. They haven't dissolved, they have merely shed their uniforms and (in the most part), replaced their guns with rocks.
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leonel
Lotus flower
04:44 AM on 02/03/2011
The main question or focus is how to push out the dictator. He is pretty strong in part because the US has given him billions to build up his military. On the other hand, Egypt may not have a regime much worse that other countries in the area.

The internet is supposedly up again and the military seems to want to just prevent violence. In addition Mubarak has conceded in some ways, agreed to leave in a few months after the election and also appointed a vice president to try to pacify all the protesters. Still he ran a very repressive government and cannot be trusted.

So what happens next? Probably weeks if not months of tension with somewhat of a standoff until the elections go one way or another. But there are other unknowns. Will the school, universities, banks and other businesses reopen?

All the leaders of these institutions may become a factor. Also the intensity of the protesters. The majority is likely to take a wait-and-see attitude and change their attention to how the elections could come out. They will be going on to think who their leaders could be. Mubarak must believe, at least in part, that the protesters do not have strong leaders to replace him.

You cannot have a revolution, no matter how peaceful or violent, without leaders.
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WalterRetlaw
01:48 AM on 02/03/2011
When playing the game of revolution, it is violence that wins the day, and utter desperation that drives people to it. Once that river is crossed, it then becomes a numbers game. If you storm the Bastille, or assault the Czar's palace, you well know that many of your comrades will die, but in the end your numbers will overcome their guns. It's a bloody business, but that's how change is brought about. Take virtually every revolution in history as an example. I'm not talking about the collapse of economic systems (as in the case of the former Soviet Union in the late 80s/early 90s) or anti-colonial movements launched against far removed, empathetic, and crumbling Western imperialists (like in India); I'm talking about revolutions launched internally against governments that could theoretically carry out business as usual if it weren't for the uprisings. If the Egyptian people want freedom, they're going to have to storm the presidential palace en masse, accept whatever casualties they will inevitably incur, capture Mubarak, and hang him from a telephone pole. The Orient is very different culturally from the Occident. Gentlemanliness and sympathy are traits looked down upon as effeminate, and masculinity and strength are prized. Peaceful protests in Egypt are bound to go the same way as peaceful protests in Iran; nowhere. If your own government has no qualms with murdering you, and you have been driven to the point of desperation, unable to feed your family, docility will get you nowhere.
04:45 AM on 02/03/2011
Very true. I am so proud of my people, but despise Mubarak even more. Although I would point out that he is now doing openly what he has actually been doing in secret for the last 30 years.
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Chopin
Multiply the truth. Speak truth through power.
07:52 AM on 02/03/2011
Walter, you're right on some points, but wrong on some crucial key points:--

First, you're right, political revolutions are generally bloody phenomena, but not for the sake of bloodletting. If it is only after bloodletting + revenge, that fury will fizzle out eventually, perhaps without achieving any concrete meaningful change. A genuine people's revolution cannot be sustained or driven by bloodlust. The French Revolution started with the goal of "fraternity, liberty, equality", but soon degenerated into "Reign of Terror" of Robespierre, where thousands upon thousands of French aristocratic class were guillotined, along with the Royalties. Then chaos ensued, leading ultimately to even more ambitious tyrant + self-declared emperor Napoleon Bonaparte.

Second, revolution isn't driven by "desperation". For what, food? That would degenerate into riots, looting, urban + rural local armed rebellions that would be taken over by oppressive selfserving local warlords, without achieving anything meaningful + substantive.

Revolutions are NOT driven by "machismo". Genuine people's revolutions have strong core beliefs, such as the Chinese Revolution (1920's-1949), evolve through many phases and tribulations. But central tenet + motivating power are driven by great overarching goals + beliefs, and tremendous internal discipline. Otherwise it cannot hold itself together and succeed against great odds. "Great March" of the Chinese communist revolutionary people's army marched on foot through thousands of miles through extreme perilous terrains under constant attacks. Rapes, looting, pillage weren't tolerated, while instituting rural land reforms. Great errors, bloodletting and sacrifice were involved. The rest is history.
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bridgeman
Jesus was a Jazz fan
12:38 AM on 02/03/2011
Wow... i thought going to a raiders game was tough.
Karama
Procrastinator
12:25 AM on 02/03/2011
The fact that Mubarak didn't order his supporters to stop attacking peaceful demonstators proves that he really is not a good leader, and should leave ASAP. Why should he hang around another seven months.

Secondly, the US likes to promote and encourage democracy everywhere, but now that a free election in Egypt might produce a government the US doesn't like, suddenly there is a reluctance to lose Mubarak. The crowds must be confused!
I thought a plane would be sent immediately to pick up the dictator who has been such a good friend for three decades.
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democrats for life
republicans need not apply
12:20 AM on 02/03/2011
gas prices will now push to 4 dollars per gallon this year. with only 65 percent of the population with a income, we will break down in a full blown depression. all the problems we see today can be traced back to the Bush administration
01:17 AM on 02/03/2011
I thought you guys didn't do hypotheticals?
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democrats for life
republicans need not apply
04:35 AM on 02/03/2011
since you vooted for Bush twice, you pay 65 percent federal tax the rest of your life! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Chopin
Multiply the truth. Speak truth through power.
09:20 AM on 02/03/2011
If you're a "progressive democrat", you would need to be more accurate and politically astute. Bushism is synonymous with chauvinism, jingoism, imperialism, anti-democratic authoritarianism, exploitive predatory corporatism, myopic arrogrant neocon anti-social nihilism. Dubya simply gave a face and name to those attitudes and behaviors. But the crucially important bottomline is --- those attitudes, behaviors and policies have NOT gone away. They're very much alive today and firmly in place in Washington and around the nation, under different labels and guises. At some point, people need to drop the name calling, and focus on the attitudes, behaviors and policies, and the real adversaries in the people who continue to represent, advocate, promote and perpetuate those destructive anti-people policies.
12:10 AM on 02/03/2011
Stay strong Egypt, our hearts, souls , and prayers are with you...
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rybalaw
04:26 PM on 02/09/2011
You bet