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Merkel: Egypt Uprising Reminds Me Of Communist Fall

GEIR MOULSON   02/ 5/11 02:26 PM ET   AP

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MUNICH — Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's leadership remains crucial for now as the country heads into a transition to democracy, a U.S. envoy who met him this week said Saturday, cautioning that the situation remains precarious.

Frank Wisner, who was dispatched to Cairo on Monday, said he is increasingly hopeful that Egypt can manage a peaceful and orderly transition to democracy.

He said by video link from New York to a security conference in Munich that "the flexibility is there, the imagination is there." But he cautioned that "this is a very volatile and dangerous time."

Wisner, a former ambassador to Egypt, said that the president's departure would under the current constitution result in elections in two months under conditions that are "broadly unacceptable" to protesters.

"You need to get a national consensus around the preconditions of the next step forward, and the president must stay in office in order to steer those changes through," Wisner said. "I therefore believe that President Mubarak's continued leadership is critical – it's his opportunity to write his own legacy."

Mubarak has said that he won't seek another term in office but demonstrators are demanding that he go now.

Wisner pointed to a need to "control rhetoric."

"The more Egyptians hear from the outside world that the president's got to go, and this has got to happen, that's got to happen, we create a negative force inside of Egypt itself," he argued.

In addition, "we've got to be particularly sensitive to make it clear that the strength of Egypt's armed forces will be maintained," he said. He pointed to "my country's responsibility ... to continue the flow of assistance that we've provided over the years."

U.S. Sen. John McCain, who also attended the conference, underlined what he sees as the need for Mubarak to go quickly.

"The longer the delay, the more likely it is you will see a radical element interject itself into the situation."

Earlier Saturday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said protests in the Middle East awaken memories of the events that ended communism in eastern Europe.

But Merkel, who grew up in East Germany and entered politics as communism crumbled amid protests in 1989, said any transition needs to be orderly, and cautioned against assuming that the West's democratic model can simply be exported elsewhere.

"Who would we be if we did not say we stand on the side of these people who are expressing what bothers them?," she asked.

"There will be change in Egypt," she said. Still, drawing on her own memories of starting out with a new pro-democracy party that failed to make much of a mark in elections a few months after the Berlin Wall fell, she cautioned against moving too fast.

"If you're in this kind of process of upheaval, things just can't go fast enough," Merkel said. But, she added, it doesn't make sense to hold elections very quickly "as the beginning of a process of democratization – you have to give people a chance to create structures."

Merkel spoke alongside British Prime Minister David Cameron. Neither leader would say what should happen to Mubarak, whose immediate departure is a key demand of Egyptian protesters.

"I don't think we in the West should be the ones to point fingers and say it's this leader or that leader who must go now or start now," Cameron said. However, "to those who say what we need is to stick to the regime (in the interest of) stability, there is no stability in Egypt today," he added.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton urged leaders across the Middle East to embrace democratic reforms. She said change is a "strategic necessity" that will make Arab nations stronger and their people more prosperous and less susceptible to extremist ideologies.

"The status quo is simply not sustainable," she said.

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gamoonbat
09:32 AM on 02/06/2011
There are definite parallels. East Germany was a client state for the Soviet Union during the Cold War. In much the same way, military dictatorships in pro-western countries in the Arab world have to confront popular opposition. The American empire may well crumble at this point just as the Soviet one did.
09:03 AM on 02/06/2011
The US and UK rhetoric about democracy in the ME is under a stress-test today.

The instigators of the wars for the mineral deposits in the ME used liberally the slogans of democracy. The rhetoric was used to divert immense national wealth of the US and UK to benefit the large corporations and the department of “offense.” This was done for the detriment of the social programs, infrastructure, and innovations.

Those who squeak the loudest about protecting Western civilizations from foreign influence are often the first to betray the most precious fruit of this civilization: the Bill of Rights.
08:58 AM on 02/06/2011
Merkel has an intimate knowledge of authoritarian rule. She grew up within the regime and not just spent a few years as a foreigner or a distant ovserver.

The Zionist propaganda demonizes everything Arab - as if peoples' basic needs depend on ethnicity. To AIPAK, Suleiman the torturer (and CIA collaborator) is much more palatable than the honest ElBaradei who puts principles of law before politicking.
08:38 AM on 02/06/2011
I was in The USSR from 87 to 92 I understand what she means but do not agree. There was no threat of terrorists then . As far as the entire East Europe.
How ever the violent days do resemble only to the point it did not last long. When the tanks rolled into Moscow the military really had no idea what was going on. Around Red Square the Tanks were set up every other one pointed at The Kremlin the other out. It was only one night of shooting , three young men were killed by the Army. The next day it was total chaos. The Army would not fire on the people and The KGB was imploding.
The coup in The USSR was more about a system rather than one man. The people wanted the leader(Gorby) back and the system out. Gorby himself had started to dismantle the system how ever it was not fast enough for the people. Yet it was too fast for the KGB and Party...thus he got "sick" as they say. Gorby was a symble of freedom yet unable to do it himself. It was like everything else in The USSR a contradiction in terms. Gorby was more popular in The US than his home...And Reagan was more popular in The USSR than here. Not that either were unpopular but they were extremely popular in opposing Countries.
We used to call it, The Theater of the Absurd
05:42 AM on 02/06/2011
"...German Chancellor Angela Merkel said protests in the Middle East awaken memories of the events that ended communism in eastern Europe." The only difference being that then the western leaders were all keen to support the people against those dictators, and were glad to see them go, but with Egypt , they are all talking about Mubarak staying on to manage the "transition" until September 2011, because he is their S.O.B/dictator. Sheer hypocrisy.
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Paperless Tiger
02:38 AM on 02/06/2011
"...grew up in East Germany and entered politics as communism crumbled amid protests in 1989..."

She's seen this sort of transition up close so she has some valuable insights. Nothing is going to get worked out until they all sit at the table. Take a beat to see how it develops and focus on the elections.
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Darcman
Don't B afraid of the Darc!
12:57 AM on 02/06/2011
There is a difference between the fall of a corrupt government and the collapse of a political philosophy!
12:03 AM on 02/06/2011
She sounds smart. She thinks Egypt is moving to a democracy and western civilization. HEE HEE
09:04 AM on 02/06/2011
How come that the loudest protectors of ehtnic purity are often the representative of ethnic "mix?"
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cgin
11:01 PM on 02/05/2011
The scarce supply of honesty on the part of western world leaders is astounding. While invoking the virtues of democracy, they callously minimize the hand they played in sustaining its antithesis. In making all the hypocritical and idealistic pronouncements about democracy, what these leaders purposely ignore to tell you is the notoriously well-known fact that these anti-democratic dictatorships, in this case Egypt, would have not existed in the first place without their implicit and explicit support and active participation in coercive activities within those nations.
But now as these dictatorships unravel before their eyes, America and its allies continue to offer gratuitous admonitions: this time against moving to fast towards democracy. An admonition that America and its allies themselves rejected while in the midst of their own pursuit for their respective democracies.
The advent of each democracy has inherently its own pace. A lesson that should apply to all.
Regrettably, the continued insatiable appetite of the West to control political events in other countries again shows an arrogant disregard for the unique aspiration of a particular people, which is exactly what bought about this crisis in the first place.
And still, there are no lessons learned. But at the same time I remain hopeful that we will.
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oxygen
love is like oxygen
12:22 AM on 02/06/2011
so when hillary urged all countries to warm up to democracy she meant to do so but at her command meaning she doesn't really believe in democracy and freedom for others unless it benefits her agendas
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cgin
04:47 PM on 02/06/2011
Although Hillary is indeed an active participant in the hypocrisy, she’s only the present day mouthpiece. In my perspective, it has nothing to do with any particular individual. It’s the arbitrary, capricious and almost despotic mindset that forms and drives American foreign policy that is the impetus behind the hypocrisy and the duplicity.
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jeanrenoir
10:46 PM on 02/05/2011
Merkel is dead right. America and Egypt have set up a Muslim Curtain of countries like Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, all ruled by authoritarian regimes paid off for Israel by America for the past thirty years. This has been parallel to the Iron Curtain set up by the Soviets after World War II for their security from Germany, just as the Muslim Curtain was set up to protect Israel. In the end both arrangements were doomed by the outrage decades of tyranny produced in both regions. This is not Iran in '79 that Israel is facing, but the Berlin Wall's fall in '89.
12:03 AM on 02/06/2011
So now the outrage will be directed at Israel.
09:08 AM on 02/06/2011
And this is why:
http://noworldsystem.com/2011/02/05/omar-suleiman-cias-torture-chief-in-egypt/

Israel supports Suleiman, a turturer and CIA collaborator in rendition program.
Fox News has a plenty pro-Israeli commentators explaining why the Arab world is not ready for democracy.
09:59 PM on 02/05/2011
Let's not blame the victims here for not having a government in place, ready to take up the running of the country the minute Mubby is out the door. This kind of situation is all too common in these petty dictatorships, where even if the people can successfully get rid of the despot, they have nothing to replace him with, and so the next most organized group steps into the vacuum, and voila, another petty dictatorship! Maybe, if we put together a UN sponsored force, like the military, that could go into a country in transition, and provide them with the temporary personnel, and civic training, for their own citizens, and run the functions of government while they went through the process of elections, and then the temporary force would leave. The offending former leaders could be prosecuted in a world court, and held accountable for their transgressions. Why should thousands of innocent civilians and patriotic soldiers have to die to pay for the agendas of the powerful? The leaders of this world should be policing their own group, not sending huge amounts of their countries precious people and resources into wars to carve their names into history. The domino effect in the Middle East is nothing to ignore, and if the world leadership community doesn't stop these despots from the top down, then you will see what it looks like when the people clean house. As a matter of fact, that is what you may be seeing right now.
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Blutodog
Say what?
09:25 PM on 02/05/2011
If I give Obama enough $$ do u think he could get me a job as Pres. of Egypt? I hear that position will be opening up soon?
09:09 PM on 02/05/2011
Hilary Clinton: "The status quo is simply not sustainable"......but she will try anyway....and the resources of the United States of America will continue to be consumed in the process.....
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
12:11 AM on 02/06/2011
You can rest assured the USA will have a say in who is getting to be the next president in Egypt.  CIA spends millions around the world to influence elections - source CIA Timeline!
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gamoonbat
09:42 AM on 02/06/2011
She is beginning to speak her mind finally. She just took a wizz on Frank Wisner.
08:53 PM on 02/05/2011
Trough and trough an islamic revolution nevermind the sugarcoating.Something we all should be afraid of.
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ConfuciusSay-
Aglets: their purpose is sinister.
10:53 PM on 02/05/2011
No, it's not.

If anything, it's more a Renaissance movement. The power behind the thrones is Imperialism, instead of the Church this time.
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SocratesFan
Elitist who loves books and learning
09:21 AM on 02/06/2011
Actually, an Islamic government won't be any better than a Christian government OR an imperialistic government, because all of them rely on dogmatism and centralized command instead of critical thinking and human potential, so you're BOTH wrong.

Even though Morris Berman, for example, acknowledged in his book Dark Ages America that Islamic governments have a focal point absent in America, he didn't actually recommend Islamic tribalism as an alternative. In fact, he said that both cultures have become mirror images of each other because they both operate on fundamentalism and intellectual stagnation. He was far more fond of both Europe and Latin America as possibilities for the future.

So I don't agree with either of you. I don't want America to dominate the world, but if the only way to throw off our imperial yoke is to replace it with a homegrown yoke, I think the remedy is just as bad as the disease.
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Laws456
Don't believe the Hype
08:41 PM on 02/05/2011
It's been interesting to see Hillary Clinton talk about the need for change and for strategies to change among leaders throughout the Middle East. I guess it's much easier and less troubling to tell someone else how to run their house than to fix the problems in your own house.