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End Of Life Care: Doctors Urged To Have 'Realistic Conversation' With Patients

LAURAN NEERGAARD   02/ 7/11 06:03 PM ET   AP

End Of Life Care

WASHINGTON — Patients don't want to hear that they're dying and doctors don't want to tell them. But new guidance for the nation's cancer specialists says they should be upfront and do it far sooner.

The American Society of Clinical Oncology says too often, patients aren't told about options like comfort care or even that their chemo has become futile until the bitter end.

To help families broach the topic, too, the group developed an easy-to-read booklet about those choices, from standard care to symptom relief, and advice about what to ask to maximize remaining time.

"This is not a 15-minute conversation, and it should not happen in the back of the ambulance on the way to the ICU at 3 in the morning," says ASCO chief executive Dr. Allen Lichter. "When everyone is well and has their wits about them, it's time to start the process."

The guidance and booklet – available at – mark an unusually strong push for planning end-of-life care, in a profession that earns more from attacking tumors than from lengthy, emotional discussions about when it's time to stop. http://www.cancer.net

"This is a clarion call for oncologists . to take the lead in curtailing the use of ineffective therapy and ensuring a focus on palliative care and relief of symptoms throughout the course of illness," the guidance stresses.

But it's part of a slowly growing movement to deal with a subject so taboo that Congress' attempt to give such planning a nudge in 2009 degenerated into charges of "death panels."

Now consider a program in Pittsburgh named Closure. In so-called "community conversations," the program teaches families how to talk with each other and their doctors about what they want – and want to avoid – in their final days. Created by the Jewish Healthcare Foundation, sessions have spread to hospitals, religious centers and neighborhoods around the city, and a website opened last month at . http://www.closure.org

The sessions are frank. Doctors tell of entering hospital rooms late at night asking for resuscitation preferences should a very ill patient worsen only to find relatives didn't know their loved one was that sick.

"There is going to be, over the next few years, a groundswell of people telling physicians, `I don't want to go out in excruciating pain, short of breath, alone, surrounded by lights and sirens and people pounding on my chest,'" predicts Dr. Jonathan Weinkle, a primary care physician who advises the program.

"Everybody wants a good death but not a moment too soon, but they don't have the language to ask for it."

Closure participant Pearl Moore, a retired Pittsburgh oncology nurse, urges people to start planning before they're ever sick, when it's easier to discuss.

Moore's mother died of stomach cancer without health workers or family ever discussing the inevitable. Haunted, she returned to college to specialize in cancer nursing. She helped her patients discuss quality of life, "to be able to live until they died, is the way I put it," Moore says.

And years ago she prepared her own living will and other health care directives, giving copies to her daughter, Cheryl, as soon as she was grown.

"Remembering my mother, we had the discussion," says Moore.

It's not clear how often the still healthy like Moore do that kind of advance planning.

But the oncology society says it isn't happening enough with the very sick. Fewer than 40 percent of advanced cancer patients have what it calls a "realistic conversation" with their doctors about what to expect and their choices of care.

The consequences: Patients increasingly are receiving aggressive chemotherapy in the last two weeks of life. They're spending more of their last months hospitalized. They're not told that a lot of expensive, side effect-prone therapies buy at best a few more months.

They think palliative care – specialized care for pain, nausea, shortness of breath – means giving up when it should be offered with standard anti-tumor care.

And they're not referred to hospice until their final days. Lichter tells of a lung cancer patient who spent his last days on a ventilator, unable to say goodbye and incurring $25,000 in hospital bills, because his family called 911 when he became short of breath. Hospice care could have eased that symptom at home.

The society plans by summer to issue detailed guidelines to help doctors conduct those tough conversations. Meanwhile, among its advice for patients:

_Ask your doctor about pros and cons of different treatment options, and discuss your priorities, including quality of life, with the doctor and family. You can change your mind later.

_Ask about palliative care for symptom relief along with your chemo. A major study last summer found that combination helped advanced lung cancer patients live a few months longer, because people who feel better can tolerate more anti-cancer treatment.

_A living will ensures health workers and family know your choices when you cannot communicate, including whether you would want such things as a feeding tube.

_Most clinical trials for experimental treatments won't admit people who've already undergone multiple treatments, so consider that option early.

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EDITOR'S NOTE – Lauran Neergaard covers health and medical issues for The Associated Press in Washington.

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Online:

Cancer group: http://www.cancer.net

Closure: http://www.closure.org

State advance directives: http://www.caringinfo.org/PlanningAhead

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MNJim
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11:29 PM on 02/09/2011
I really believe this article is right on target, but think it may be much more challenging for our society than we realize. There was a horrible court case here in Minneapolis last week, where for months, the younger wife of a man in his 80s kept insisting on aggressive care; stating that his dementia was caused by Lyme's disease and if the Dr's would treat that, then his multiple other symptoms, including advanced kidney disease could also be treated. Hospital after hospital got into battles with her. Finally, one hospital and one Dr insisted that the treatments stop. They were painful for the man and useless. They took her to court and won their case to have a temporary 3rd party decision-maker appointed, until a full hearing occurs. In the process, the wife admitted that she had altered the man's health care directive; she had given the doctors and hospital only the 1st page of a 3 page document, in which he clearly expressed his desire to NOT have such heroic measures taken at the end of his life. Furthermore, in another health care directive completed at a later date, the man had appointed his son----not her---to be his health care agent!
03:01 PM on 02/09/2011
My dad had cancer an was in a coma for 3months, he came out of that coma 80yrs. old an came home under hospice care. he lived for three more month,the best months of his or his familiy live. he died in our home. if we would have pulled that plug on him those wonderful times at the end of his live would have never happened.

Point when we talk about human beings, an cost "money" at the end of there live. there is no cost just live for as long as?




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12:30 PM on 02/09/2011
Good intentions... but good luck with this... there are a whole lot of people who will not want to deal...there are cultures who are unwilling or unable not to flog their loved ones until death eventually wins.
We just must keep up the conversations as best as we can, and hope to save at least some families from the heartbreak and financial ruin that ineffective and unnecessary futile interventions can incur.
Healthcare workers themselves at all levels bear the bulk of the responsibility for educating people.
BUT, in todays "consumer" driven healthcare millieu, where customer service surveys even affect wages of providers, nobody wants to bear the risk of pissing someone off.
09:30 PM on 02/08/2011
Some of the comments on this thread are just heartbreaking. My sympathies to all who wrote.

I don't want to sound callous, but one very practical aspect to all this is that palliative care can save a great deal of money, even as it improves the quality of life of the patient. The money saved could go toward the many unmet needs in this country. Also, in many cases patients with palliative care actually live longer than they would with aggressive treatment, since they can better enjoy the time they have, and since aggressive treatments can hasten death. Atul Gawande made these points in a fine article in the New Yorker a few months ago.
01:03 PM on 02/08/2011
Yes, thank you Sarah Palin and your DEATH PANEL talk for setting this discussion back years.
02:45 PM on 02/08/2011
My 39 yr. old daughter is having this discussion, as I type this, at Emory University Hospital, where she is once again in-patient. They are discussing in home hospice, opposed to hospice. I am frozen with fear - beyond belief, she is my child and I am not supposed to be burying her- and if there is a way to avoid that happening - I will find it. She is dying from "failure to thrive". She cannot absorb foods any longer, not through TPN intravenous feeding, or even with a stomach tube sticking out of her tiny mid section. Orally, only certain foods - but nothing is keeping her from losing more and more weight. She is 5'1" and is down to 87 lbs. And no, she does not have Anorexia, or any form of same. She just cannot absorb any foods any longer and now they are meeting with her to discuss how she may have 6 months - and what she wants to do about hospice? Oh, God, this is my child and the pain is unbearable. Forgive my rant, please, I am a mother in pain, great pain..
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06:16 PM on 02/08/2011
LRM, my heart goes out to you because I've been there and you are right. We're not supposed to be burying our children. I wish I could make it easier for your dear Mother of your dearly beloved child. I can only say bless you and that to remember a broken heart still beats and that she will be with your forever and ever and to remember to take some deep breaths and tell her how much you love her. I remember my last talk with my child just an hour before I held him in my arms as he breathed his last. It's pure hell but love somehow sustains us. I know a mother who lost her child who told me that she didn't know how a person could have so much pain and still live and she was talking about herself. Please focus on your daughter right now and take care of yourself as well. I send you my prayers and my thoughts. I know the pain is unbearable for you. Please know I care.
07:27 PM on 02/08/2011
LRM216: I don't know what to say, except for I'm so sorry and I have empathy for your situation. My child died a peaceful death six years ago, at age 28. You are entitled to your rant because you are a parent.

My prayers are with you.
07:29 PM on 02/08/2011
I blame Bush.
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11:22 PM on 02/08/2011
Giraffesarmyfriends NEEDS to be banned.
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Aleks Hunter
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11:12 AM on 02/08/2011
If you are living in the United States of America, right now you have an 85% likelihood that you will die in a hospital or nursing home. If it is in a hospital, and you do not have an ironclad set of advanced directives in place and on file in that institution, the staff there will do everything possible to extend your life until instructed otherwise by t person with the legal standing to do so.

Watching every episode of ER or Grey's Anatomy is no substitution for health care training and real working experience.

If you find yourself int he position of making end of life decisions for a loved one, please perform the mental exercise of picturing yourself sitting with that person at a time when they were fit and healthy, and describe their current situation.

Base your decision on how you believe your loved one would have reacted to that glimpse into their very real future.

When the doctor asks about "heroic measures" please ask what they mean, and what the results are. Please don;t sit and nod. This is one of the most important conversations you will ever had. When they mention DNR, ask bout the effects of CPR on a ninety year old.

Unfortunately there is no standard right answer, every family must find the right answer for themselves.
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10:02 AM on 02/08/2011
After going thru a year of suffering chemo and other treatments with my daughter for metasticiized ovarian cancer that only led to more and unnecesary suffering, I now have a DNR posted on my wall and in the offices of all of my doctors and the local hospital. The false hope only enriched the coffers of the insurance companies. It also led to a family suffering with the patient for a whole year when the doctors knew it was incurable. This, to me, was a legal form of torture.
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06:23 PM on 02/08/2011
My father was diagnosed with metastasized lung cancer on his 70th birthday. They knew it was of course incurable yet they started him on chemo, money for the hospital, and he died 7 days later and his death was indescribably horrible and no person should have to die like that. He could have had a relatively peaceful death without the chemo. He was in no pain before the chemo. Someone of us should have taken over and asked questions but there was a stepmother involved who had been an RN. The rest I can't talk about ever.
09:19 AM on 02/08/2011
I recently observed and was on the receiving end of Palliative care services provided by Sparrow Medical Center, in Lansing, Michigan. My mother was diagnosed with lung cancer that had metastasized and spread to her brain.

We were told by the doctor initially that she had a limited time, which he wouldn't guess at, but then we had a wonderful member of the palliative care dept. come in and explain the various options available and explain the consequences of those decisions. The experience was wonderful, and reassuring to say the very least. Patients and their families aren't necessarily equipped with the knowledge that is available to make these types of decisions and having the availability of a knowledge based, caring option, was for us, the family of Lillian Ehrke, a God send.
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rowdiman
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09:54 PM on 02/07/2011
Great article; a subject often difficult to discuss within the family but critical to do with the medical professional ahead of time.

With all the scare tactics about so called "death panels" I commend the author for addressing this.
10:42 PM on 02/07/2011
exactly. all those opposed to and-of-life counseling are saying it's better to lie to patients.