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400 Solar Power Users Are Paid For Electricity In Tennessee

02/ 8/11 11:49 AM ET   AP

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — More than 400 property owners who use solar power to generate electricity at their homes or businesses are getting paid for it with the help of the Tennessee Valley Authority and local power distributors.

Some residents have large enough arrays of solar electric generation panels that they get rolling credits on their electricity bill or year-end checks. Most are in Tennessee and The Tennessean reports another 200 projects are in the pipeline.

The Generation Partners program allows property owners to feed electricity into the grid and some distributors, like the Nashville Electric Service, pay more than double what the utility charges for power. The program has grown increasingly popular. NES now has 63 customers generating power and 15 others about to begin.

In Ashland City, Carly and Ed Wansing have a $100 credit on their most recent home electricity bill. They installed their panels in 2007 and are leaving the credit to make up for other months when they might use more electricity.

"We build up our credit in the spring and the fall and use the credit in the summer and the winter," said Carly Wansing, an architect with Street Dixon Rick, which also has solar panels.

Their 2.16-kilowatt solar panel system cost them $11,500 after incentives and should take 12 more years to pay off. Along with a $2,000 federal tax credit, the Wansings got a $500 sign-up payment from TVA's Generation Partners program.

Andy Sudbrock got checks from his electric utility in Williamson County last month that totaled $2,010 for electricity generation from panels on the barn at his plant nursery company, Nashville Natives.

"That doesn't factor in all the electricity we didn't have to pay for, either," he said. "We had zero electricity bills all year."

He virtually paid for the $60,000 8.28-kilowatt solar power system in the first year, thanks to some incentives.

About 95 percent of the cost came from a state cost-share program for businesses, a U.S. Department of Agriculture grant, a federal tax credit and a $1,000 signing bonus from TVA and the distributor.

"It took a year of grant writing and lots of paperwork, but we'll never pay another electric bill, and it will be generating clean energy and income for at least 30 years," Sudbrock said.

In many cases, property owners are producing an amount of energy whose payments don't quite cover the cost of what they burn. Attorney David Lyons has topped his Nashville law office with solar panels but he hasn't been able to claim a check yet.

"I've never had a surplus by the end of the year," Lyons said.

Still the cost of installing solar panels is decreasing and incentives can make a difference. Steve Johnson, owner of LightWave Solar Electric, said the 6.9-kilowatt system on his home would cost about $30,000 today, or $20,000 after incentives.

"You're going to be paying Nashville Electric Service for 12 years anyway," he said. "You're just burning those checks. After 12 years of paying on solar, you have equity. You own something."

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Information from: The Tennessean, http://www.tennessean.com

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NASHVILLE, Tenn. — More than 400 property owners who use solar power to generate electricity at their homes or businesses are getting paid for it with the help of the Tennessee Valley Authority and ...
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
10:08 PM on 03/28/2011
It is good to see reports from working systems. We hear too much propaganda. On a system that costs $20,000 it seems like 12 years is a long time to pay off. A car costing $20,000 is usually paid off in less than 5 years, but low payments are nice too.
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Malcolm Hensley
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03:56 PM on 03/14/2011
I'm looking to put some solar panels on a new home in California, what brand would anyone recommend?
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
08:25 PM on 03/26/2011
http://www.ecobusinesslinks.com/solar_panels.htm
http://www.dsireusa.org/
you can get panels for 1$ watt, though they are the lower efficiency panels and will limit what you can get for a given roof area.
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
10:10 PM on 03/28/2011
Visit  www.renewableenergyworld.com and look for links to purchase systems.
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06:15 PM on 03/08/2011
Solar panels also add a level of insulation on roofs. Especially in summer they shadow the roof, and assuming they are mounted with a decent air gap, the excess heat vents away, leaving the roof cool. And in clear winter nights they reduce cooling a little.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
08:26 PM on 03/26/2011
They also increase the life of the roof by at least 30 years....
03:07 PM on 02/24/2011
There should be more cities taking this initiative. With the prices of solar panels going down it should be a no brainier for people to start installing solar panels on their homes or getting it done by someone.

I've recently seen a lot of people doing it themselves to safe money and it seems like a good alternative.
05:06 AM on 02/17/2011
why haven't more cities followed in Tennessee's initiative and taken on the same project. It is amazing what they are doing and it is really impacting our current and future generation. Solar paneling is a must have for any home.
03:32 AM on 02/13/2011
I have looked into solar, wind,"built my own windmill" thought about converting from solar to hot water, did all kinds of conversions, oh every time you convert you get about a 25%loss of something, to something, so if you get one of those Hybrides and it make you sleep good at nite good for you, but when you convert coal electric to power you looose 25.% Although I must say I made a solar hot water heater for my pool, 1500 ft of that cheap sprinckler pipe $325.00 layed out on the worned out pool cover I got about 46,000 btu,you know weight by flow
so good luck to any that think they can make power from nothing!!
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
08:26 PM on 03/26/2011
You should lose less than 10% converting for solar DC to Grid AC.
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echurley
11:41 AM on 02/11/2011
I live in Florida. TECO want million dollars insurance policies and no buy back on electric. They use a lot of coal.
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Rich Phitzwell
04:26 PM on 02/10/2011
Theres a problem with this article. Legally the power companies at least in my area have to pay you for the excess energy you produce. The problem is many of them will not pay.
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06:13 PM on 03/08/2011
Exactly. Unless the laws are very clear they won't pay. And the laws are made by whom? And those are financed by whom?
08:59 AM on 02/10/2011
In addition to solar, there are other ways to generate your own power at home.Wind is the other popular choice, but of course the wind patterns over your house have to be conducive to it. I like the idea of wind because it can produce 24x7, perhaps the nighttime generation can help pay for it. MicroCHP is another option, there arent' many renewable energy sources for it right now so most installations use natural gas. But fuel-cell technology is coming. Here's an interesting overview on home power options: http://bit.ly/gdxSKj
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Tommygun264
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03:26 AM on 02/11/2011
Low-speed, maglev vertical axis wind turbines can generate electricity with winds as light as 5 mph. The blade assembly and base have magnets which cause the blade assembly to levitate, reducing friction and allowing the blades to be propelled faster by slower winds. They are also less destructive to birds because their design with multiple, often overlapping vertical blades look more like a solid object the faster they spin, as opposed to traditional wind turbines with blades that seem to disappear the faster they spin.
07:52 AM on 02/10/2011
I can't do solar myself. I live in a pre-airconditioning-era built house surrounded by trees. What TVA should really be doing is helping municipal and commercial buildings set up solar arrays on their roofs. It gets v. hot in the summer, lots of sun, lots of ac needs (especially with all the computers being used in business, etc.). These big users would require less coal-powered electricity from the power generating stations, less fossil fuel burned, less co2. Home electric rates would go down as large scale demand decreased, etc. Plus....these enterprises could set an example for other businesses and governmental organizations. Get this responsibility off the backs of the small consumer and put it where it really belongs.
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09:32 PM on 02/09/2011
Here in Australia, government owns the power utilities and distribution grid. They're operated as a "service". In recent years those governments have attempted to transform these organisations into "for profit" businesses and indeed sell them off completely to suckers (from the USofA mostly).

What has been discovered in Australia is the cost of new electrical power from private rooftop solar PV is cheaper than expanding and/or commissioning new plant. It also exactly matches the peak load that utilities struggle to cover with expensive standby plant.

The private home owner takes a loan for the system and receives a NET feed-in-tariff which correctly prices the cost of providing peak power via other means. The result is most systems in Australia have payback times in the 15 year range, WITHOUT incentive. A typical system will last easily 25-30 years. The system on our house has a 25 year WARRANTY.

By putting what would have otherwise been a SUNK utility bill into a device, this means, that after the cost of the INVESTMENT, the systems should produce 10 years of returns.

My employer has been variously commissioned to study this around the world, and the results are the same everywhere, even in higher/lower latitudes. Combined with energy efficiency measures, the ROI is amplified.
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JohnFromCensornati
Free your mind and your ass will follow.
09:32 AM on 02/10/2011
I can be reached @ gmail.
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08:09 PM on 02/10/2011
Hmm, did that work?
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Rich Phitzwell
04:38 PM on 02/10/2011
Theres new technologies that have been developed that have an efficiency of 40% and they believe they will be able to bring that up to 60% in the near future and are less expensive to manufacture than the technology you mention which is about 20% efficient. 80% of the cost to install is generally the equipment.

As for the 25 - 30 yr lifespan, there are panels with half life of 50yrs but the new designs they have yet to be able to tell after testing how long there lifespan is as they just dont appear to degrade.

Nonetheless, we were looking at going solar last year and with incentives in my area would bring us between 5-10 yr breakeven at our electric rates last year. Our rates just doubled in December and rumored to increase again soon.

For anybody that owns their building and plans to stay for at least 10 years and lives in an area that is known for sunshine, its becoming a no brainer. The problem with commercial though, the ones that will definitely be around for 10 plus years is those that occupy the space pay the electric while the owner owns the roof. Somehow we need to bridge that gap.
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08:12 PM on 02/10/2011
Thanks for the reply. I'm finding your avatar quite disturbing. Is that supposed to be Ron Jeremy? ;)
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06:58 PM on 02/12/2011
PACE loans. They stay with the property, are repaid through an individual assessment in the property's property tax, and are risk free to both borrower and lender because borrower can't get the loan unless they will save/earn at least as much as the repayment from the improvement (they are often used for weatherization, efficiency upgrades and rooftop PV), and the lender takes first lien since it's a property tax assessment, not a mortgage.

These were just starting to gain momentum here when Fannie and Freddie suddenly pounced on them as a huge threat to their economic well-being because of the priority lien (exactly the same as priority liens from water and school bonds, etc.). Of ALL the useless things for Fannie and Freddie to hyperventilate about! So, most states are suing the Feds, the ARRA money to kickstart the program is evaporating, and WE are screwed again...

You really should do the rooftop. 30 years of free power is such a great opportunity!!!
06:24 PM on 02/09/2011
I wish there was a local group that I could be part of.

I would love to add a small wind or solar capacity to my home.
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07:01 PM on 02/12/2011
www.1BOG.org is a consolidator to get you together with people in your area and obtain "bulk discounts" on rooftop solar. No obligation at all, you just register with them so they can bundle you up with others in your area. I have no affiliation but have cited their prices in some of my white papers on this. really good prices, and lots of good basic info on their site...
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
10:19 PM on 03/28/2011
Very helpful! thanks for the link. In my area the utility is required to pay for excess electricity from homeowners with solar power.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
04:38 PM on 02/09/2011
This is where the federal government can step in an standardize the grid connection hardware, connection maximum cost, and the terms of the sale of electricity to the utility. We should have: 600$ maximum grid connect charges, net metering and most expensive power replace for net production, with a added bonus for how dirty the replaced power is.
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07:04 PM on 02/12/2011
agreed. Feed in tariffs that include time of use (as well as avoided costs like transmission, infrastructure, O & M, etc.) for the MAXIMUM amount of power you can produce. Most net metering programs cap you at your "average" bill, disincentivizing overproduction and conservation - stupid!

Barney Frank is sponsoring a Ten Million Solar Roofs bill. It is much less comprehensive than what you or I would like, but it won't hurt, plus you can call his office (as well as your local Senators) and ask for changes along the lines of what we want to see...
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alvdh1
02:03 PM on 02/09/2011
To see how your state is is either removing obstacles or creating them for alternative energy, see thethe below 2010 "Freeing The Grid" Report.



http://www.newenergychoices.org/uploads/FreeingTheGrid2010.pdf
02:34 PM on 02/09/2011
Thank you.
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09:57 PM on 02/09/2011
Great link. Thank you.
01:34 PM on 02/09/2011
I used solar power panels in my first home over twenty years ago. Worked great.