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Virginia: The Second Civil War


First Posted: 02/09/11 02:33 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- The Civil War was mostly about Virginia: whoever controlled it would win the war.

The presidential election of 2012 is shaping up the same way. In a stunning reversal of recent history, Barack Obama won Virginia, and with an equally stunning 53 percent of the vote. Now the issue is whether he can do it again. There is no more important strategic question.

That is the real significance of the sort-of-expected news that Democratic Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia will not seek reelection. The Democrats have to find a strong replacement for Webb in the Senate race against former Virginia governor and senator George Allen (R).

Now pressure is being applied to former Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine (D), who has said publicly that he wouldn't do it, but who will be asked by the president himself to reconsider. Kaine was traveling today, an aide said, and would not have anything to say on this topic on Wednesday other than to praise Webb for his service.

"The Democrats need a strong Senate candidate against Allen to help them hold the state," said Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia. In Sabato's view, the other best possibility for that role is former Rep. Rick Boucher of rural southwestern Virginia, who narrowly lost his race and who could have more statewide appeal than DC-area contenders. Others suggest Tom Perriello, who narrowly lost his re-election bid for Congress last fall.

President Obama's strategists say that they are determined to defend the Electoral College map that produced his 2008 victory -- including, if not especially, the upper Southern states of Virginia and North Carolina. Their choice of Charlotte as the site of the 2012 Democratic National Convention was, in part, meant to make that tactical point.

They have no choice, but it's dicey.

Virginia is also of outsized importance because of its location near the national political press corps in Washington, DC. News organizations that can't afford to send reporters to the swing state of Ohio, let alone the swing state of New Mexico, can send their squadrons across the Potomac to Virginia.

Allen was popular before he became "Mr. Macaca" and flamed out in his 2006 race against Webb. Even before Webb bowed out, Allen had to be counted the favorite in 2012 to reclaim the Senate seat. Allen and Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell (R), a strong campaigner in his own right, will give Republicans formidable organizational energy next year.

The president has a 44 percent approval rating in the state, according to the most recent statewide poll. That is six or seven points below his national average -- not an insuperable barrier, but one that shows the challenge that Team Obama will face next year.

Virginia is not the conservative Old Dominion it used to be. The DC suburbs of Northern Virginia are open to progressive Democrats, as are the suburbs of Richmond and parts of the Tidewater. But Virginians, ancestrally, are not fans of federal power (even though they benefit from it inordinately in terms of military installations and tax receipts). Criticism of the health care reform law and other Obama administration initiatives resonate. And the president's carbon-based environmental policies are despised in the coalfields.

Obama will need a stronger economic recovery in areas outside the Beltway, and the kind of massive turnout he had in 2008.

"If the election were held today he'd lose Virginia," said Sabato of the president. "But it's not being held today. A midterm election is not a presidential election. The president can turn it around -- and he has to. They're going to have to pour money and resources into Virginia."

As for Webb, he was a military man and maverick who spoke his mind, but who never felt comfortable in the Senate or with politics in general. He was the kind of Democrat who was able to win in 2006 in Virginia, and perhaps he can campaign for the president again there if he chooses to do so. Obama, it is now clear, will need all the help he can get.

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WASHINGTON -- The Civil War was mostly about Virginia: whoever controlled it would win the war. The presidential election of 2012 is shaping up the same way. In a stunning reversal of recent history,...
WASHINGTON -- The Civil War was mostly about Virginia: whoever controlled it would win the war. The presidential election of 2012 is shaping up the same way. In a stunning reversal of recent history,...
 
 
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Robert Grif
11:07 PM on 04/05/2011
To early to tell: but Kane looks a lot like an Obama twin, and more than a few Virginians look forward to watering the tree of liberty with their votes (a lot who voted for rope-a-dope-hope change). Webb took the message and I think he tired of Democrat hypocrisy. Obamacare, invasion of Lybia, Reid and Schumer's extremely frivolous budget negotiation. Black Panther voter intimidation waivers. Obamacare waivers granted to Obamacare supporters. Yea I think Virginians will love to kick Kanes butt back to Obama land!
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dwal1
05:53 PM on 02/10/2011
The first one never ended;Johnny Reb just took time off to make some shine...moon shine
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PCPrincess
I'm probably gaming.
05:36 PM on 02/10/2011
Edit: doesn't it* concern... sigh
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PCPrincess
I'm probably gaming.
05:36 PM on 02/10/2011
Doesn't even concern the Obama administration that at a time when he's lost the support of so many of not only the progressives but many of his own constituents that he may appear to be more concerned about winning the next election than actually governing the U.S. in a manner that benefits the most U.S. citizens?
bipolarbears60
common sense isn't so common
05:00 PM on 02/10/2011
Any Virginia natives here? What is Webb's popularity? Why isn't he running?
11:48 PM on 02/10/2011
I read Webb's book and I believe his ideology of what our Gov't should and shouldn't be isn't the reality he's facing. I get the feeling he feels a bit too confined and scripted which is why he wants to go.
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parlimentMike
It's not un-American to investigate 4 crimes.
02:22 PM on 02/10/2011
The President if firmly on the side of the Plantation owners, there should be no problem.
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the964kid
Friends don't let friends vote GOP
12:14 PM on 02/10/2011
This is a bit silly. As a DC area resident, and as an Obama volunteer who spent over 35 days in Virginia in 2008 canvassing cities up and down the state I can say that it's too early to make some of these predictions. From the outside this is the typical inside-the-beltway narrative we've come to expect (the lazy observation). But if you go into Virginia it's a different story.

First of all, the Obama campaign registered tens of thousands of new voters, many of them did not vote in the off year election. As we have seen, Obama's core supporters have stayed with him, and in 2012, the campaign will reach out and canvass these same voters.

Secondly, the northern part of the state, which is progressive, also didn't have a high turn out in 2010, but they too will be back in 2012.

The last point I'd make is that we have to wait and see who Obama is running against. If it's someone like Palin, even many conservatives will vote for Obama (as we've seen in recent polls Obama beats Palin in some fully red states). Anybody from this area knows that Virginia continues to trend blue because of the constantly increasing population of the northern part of the state. In low voter turn-out elections, the older and more conservative voters move the state red, but the trend is still what it is: moving blue.
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Dustee
FOX 'Jerry Springer' NEWS
01:22 PM on 02/10/2011
Now that's what I'm talking about! Here at AOLHP they're always striking fear in the hearts of dems. That one of the reasons why I'll be some place else to post more regularly, where Keith is. Before they took up that energy for Obama. It's time to make a change.

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the964kid
Friends don't let friends vote GOP
06:16 PM on 02/10/2011
VA was the Obama campaign's #1 target in 2008, they're not going to be abandoning it now. Don't let the shabby ground game of Martha-Coakley-level Creigh Deeds fool anyone, Obama will have thousands of supporters on the ground in VA in 2012.
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derspado
There is no future without knowing the past.
12:10 PM on 02/10/2011
Most dems see the writing on the wall. 2012 is gonna be a tremendous loss for them
12:21 PM on 02/10/2011
In your dreams. Obama will win in a landslide.
ItsGettingWeird
(or is it just me?)
01:27 PM on 02/10/2011
Did you hear that from President John McCain? Or did you speak with Vice President Sarah Palin?
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Carbon Forteetoo
Not enough characters to say anything clev
11:57 AM on 02/10/2011
If Biden were to not stand in 2012, might Jim Webb make an excellent VP?
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eyeitall
goosh how gullible some folks are
11:54 AM on 02/10/2011
So Obama wants Kaine to run for Virginia Sentor not to help the citizens of Virginia but, to help him. How telling.
bipolarbears60
common sense isn't so common
05:16 PM on 02/10/2011
Like most things, democracy is a double edged sword. One cannot lead unless one gets elected. None of us like the realities of politics or the strategies that must be utilized while in power/leadership positions that are rife with compromise and seeming neutrality. No President gets elected with the strength solely of their own party. They MUST win votes from Independents and persons of the opposing party--if not there is no reason to waste the time, energy or money to run. That's the reality of our system.
11:54 PM on 02/10/2011
that's the writer's opine, not the President's
11:38 AM on 02/10/2011
OK well POTUS has a 44% approval rating and "would lose the election if it were held today". My question is whom would he lose too. Every poll says that when the question is POTUS vs. name any hypothetical republican candidate...hypothetical loses.
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joe757
11:27 AM on 02/10/2011
I live in the Tidewater area and the President can win Virginia again.
bipolarbears60
common sense isn't so common
05:18 PM on 02/10/2011
What do you folks think of Webb? He always struck me as one of the good guys. Why isn't he running? Do you hate to lose him as much as I do?
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joe757
06:38 PM on 02/10/2011
I can't speak for any Democrat but myself. I liked Webb for the most part. But I don't think he ever planned on being a career politician. I think he accomplished the things that he wanted (mainly the GI bill) and he wants to move on to other things. It's sad that he's leaving, but he's leaving at a good time and allows VA to push for a more progressive Senator during a Presidential election year.
11:27 AM on 02/10/2011
Second civil war? Really?

This website is rapidly going the way of Fox News.
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12:25 PM on 02/10/2011
yeah, nothing like sensationalizing everything.
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02:16 PM on 02/10/2011
what do you expect from a hairdresser
JNarragansett
Check your premises
11:24 AM on 02/10/2011
A website (and the ideology it represents) that just ran a bunch of articles accusing political opponents of engaging in violent rhetoric probably shouldn't reference the deadliest American conflict of all time to talk about an upcoming election.
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jbouti
03:30 PM on 02/10/2011
Hear , Hear !
bipolarbears60
common sense isn't so common
05:19 PM on 02/10/2011
I couldn't agree more.

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