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License Plate Honoring KKK Leader Proposed In Mississippi

EMILY WAGSTER PETTUS   02/10/11 12:38 PM ET   AP

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JACKSON, Miss. — A fight is brewing in Mississippi over a proposal to issue specialty license plates honoring Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was an early leader of the Ku Klux Klan.

The Mississippi Division of Sons of Confederate Veterans wants to sponsor a series of state-issued license plates to mark the 150th anniversary of the Civil War, which it calls the "War Between the States." The group proposes a different design each year between now and 2015, with Forrest slated for 2014.

"Seriously?" state NAACP president Derrick Johnson said when he was told about the Forrest plate. "Wow."

Forrest, a Tennessee native, is revered by some as a military genius and reviled by others for leading an 1864 massacre of black Union troops at Fort Pillow, Tenn. Forrest was a Klan grand wizard in Tennessee after the war.

Sons of Confederate Veterans member Greg Stewart said he believes Forrest distanced himself from the Klan later in life. It's a point many historians agree upon, though some believe it was too little, too late, because the Klan had already turned violent before Forrest left.

"If Christian redemption means anything – and we all want redemption, I think – he redeemed himself in his own time, in his own actions, in his own words," Stewart said. "We should respect that."

State Department of Revenue spokeswoman Kathy Waterbury said legislators would have to approve a series of Civil War license plates. She said if every group that has a specialty license plate wanted a redesign every year, it would take an inordinate amount of time from Department of Revenue employees who have other duties.

SCV has not decided what the Forrest license plate would look like, Stewart said. Opponents are using their imagination.

A Facebook group called "Mississippians Against The Commemoration Of Grand Wizard Nathan Forrest" features a drawing of a hooded klansman in the center of a regular Mississippi car tag.

Robert McElvaine, director of the history department at the private Millsaps College in Jackson, joined the Facebook group. McElvaine said Forrest's role at Fort Pillow and involvement in the Klan make him unworthy of being honored.

"The idea of celebrating such a person, whatever his accomplishments in other areas may have been, seems like a very poor idea," McElvaine told The Associated Press.

Mississippi lawmakers have shown a decidedly laissez-faire attitude toward allowing a wide variety of groups to have speciality license plates, which usually sell for an extra $30 to $50 a year. The state sells more than 100 specialty plates for everything from wildlife conservation to breast cancer awareness. One design says "God Bless America," another depicts Elvis Presley. Among the biggest sellers are NASCAR designs and one with the slogan "Choose Life."

The Mississippi Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans has had a state-issued specialty license plate since 2003 to raise money for restoration of Civil War-era flags. From 2003 through 2010, the design featured a small Confederate battle flag.

The Department of Revenue allowed the group to revise the license plate this year for the first of the Civil War sesquicentennial designs. The 2011 plate, now on sale, depicts the Beauvoir mansion in Biloxi, Miss., the final home of Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president.

SCV wants license plates to feature Civil War battles that took place in Mississippi. It proposes a Battle of Corinth design for 2012 and Siege of Vicksburg design for 2013. Stewart said the 2015 plate would be a tribute to Confederate veterans.

Johnson, with the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he's not bothered by Civil War commemorative license plates generally. But he said Mississippi shouldn't honor Forrest, who was an early leader of what he calls "a terrorist group."

"He should be viewed in the same light that we view Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden," Johnson said of Forrest. "The state of Mississippi should deny any vanity tags which would highlight racial hatred in this state."

Democratic Rep. Willie Bailey, who handles license plate requests in the House, said he has no problem with SCV seeking any design it wants.

"If they want a tag commemorating veterans of the Confederacy, I don't have a problem with it," said Bailey, who is black. "They have that right. We'll look at it. As long as it's not offensive to anybody, then they have the same rights as anybody else has."

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Online:

Mississippi Department of Revenue, specialty license plates: http://www.dor.ms.gov/mvl/availabletags.html

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JACKSON, Miss. — A fight is brewing in Mississippi over a proposal to issue specialty license plates honoring Confederate Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, who was an early leader of the Ku Klux Klan...
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06:25 PM on 02/16/2011
the media would have everyone believe that the state of Mississippi’s intentions for the license plate is to honor a KKK leader rather than its real purpose which is to honor great civil war generals from its region. Nathan B Forrest was never schooled in military studies nonetheless he was naturally brilliant in the art of military tactics which are still studied today and that is what Mississippi is recognizing. Unfortunately Mississippi is labeled as being a racist state due events that happened in the past. I think it’s irresponsible for the media to turn this into a race issue rather than its real intentions. If this type of negative journalism on Mississippi continues then the stereotype will never go away. People who associate Mississippi and its people as racists are no different than people who are prejudice towards people because of their skin color
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09:14 AM on 02/17/2011
All kkk stuff aside he was a terrible General considering all of his war crimes, including but not limited to:

Waving the white flag with no intention of surrendering then going on the attack while the Union soilders were moving in to gather his troops as POWs.

Killing innocent slaves claiming they were Union spies witout proof or trial.

Killing Union POWs.

Honoring Forrest is like honoring Osama Bin Laden or Tim McVeigh.

Robert E. Lee, Thomas Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, John Pelham, heck even Longstreet. There are plenty of guys who are worthy of being honored before Forrest. With that being said, if Mississippi wants to commemorate General Forrest, maybe they should also honor John Brown the abolishionist that armed slaved and murdered pro slavery southerners.
08:32 AM on 02/12/2011
Can you think of a better way to identify Klan members??
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Zanubiyah
12:15 AM on 02/12/2011
You know...

I say, let them have it. Why disquise intention, attitude, ideology, at all.
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Part Stewart, Aragon, & Plantagenet. ALL American.
12:13 AM on 02/12/2011
I guess it would be NICE to think that the era of the KKK is part of Mississippi's dark and distant past, wouldn't it? NOT SO. Remember this? Check out the article and the accompanying picture. That's not from Mississippi, circa 1963; it's from 11/21/2009-- not even two years ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/21/kkk-rally-at-ole-miss-kla_n_366475.html

It's to the protesters' credit that they showed up en masse to decry the Klan rally, but the fact still remains that far from dying out, it seems they're becoming more and more emboldened.
Yes, they have a right to freedom of speech, to their creepy rallies--and now,even their "charming" little license plates; but I would think that the sane and civil residents of Miss. have every right to exercise THEIR freedom of speech too, and tell these jack@sses exactly what they think of them!
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05:19 PM on 02/11/2011
I say let him keep his plates. This way we know who they are and their intentions. Else he can ride around in a Tea Haggers customize license plate and make the same statement.
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John Kelley
01:40 PM on 02/11/2011
The choice of Nathan Bedford Forrest was purposefully done to create division. He was from Tennessee, not Mississippi, and if the intention was to choose an out-of-state Civil War historical character, there are far more famous and important figures that could have been selected without raising so many objections. This situation reflects poorly on the SCV, because rather embracing the opportunity to bring people together for a respectful, solemn remembrance of our nation's past, this organization has chosen to create controversy and in so doing disrespect the sacrifices that all of our ancestors made to come back together as one nation. How sad.
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Rooster Coburn
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04:47 PM on 02/11/2011
Who was Nathan Bedford Forrest?
http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/Nathan_Bedford_Forrest.htm
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olitenup
11:45 AM on 02/11/2011
People really are losing their minds. Hey Mississippi!!! It is 2011.
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James Everett
11:49 PM on 02/11/2011
Yeah and look at how your empire has handled things since Lincoln destroyed the Republic.
2011 aint so good !
05:10 AM on 02/13/2011
I'm sorry, Lincoln preserving the Union destroyed the Republic? Because inciting rebellion in half the states was going to save it? Oh and America was so weak after WWI and WWII right? If only we had given in to the Southern traitors and let them take half the country! It would have saved the Republic from all that glorious prosperity we enjoyed after 1865.
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09:57 AM on 02/11/2011
I want a Willian T. Sherman plate! I already have a tee shirt that celebrates his 1864 "Heat a Peach Tour".
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Brian D Smith
04:57 PM on 02/11/2011
:o)
CLASSIC "Heat a Peach."
f & f
11:05 PM on 02/15/2011
I live in the town sherman came from you read his history and you will find out he had mential problems. He is also known for letting his men burn,rape, torture, and murder so dont let people think the souths Gen. were the only ones.
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12:58 PM on 02/17/2011
Sherman didn't let his troops torture, rape or murder. He die destroy alot of property. The idea was to destroy the South's ability to wage war. Anything that could be used as part of the war effort was either to be confiscated or destroied. His army was utterly cut off from communication, resupply or rescue. They had to get to the sea as quickly as possible. There was little time to torture, rape or murder and in any case most of the population fled out of his army's path ahead of it. Atrocities were committed by BOTH sides. The prisonor of war camps I believe were the worst example.
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09:53 AM on 02/11/2011
What? Nathan Bedford Forrest was from and fought in Tennessee. He does not have much to do with Mississippi. WTF. Issue a plate honoring Robert Johnson, John Lee Hooker or William Faulkner. They were from Missippippi at least.

Forrest was an intresting character though. Alot of contradictions. Alot of extremes. He's hard to pin down. He started the KKK but he left it when it became even too violent for him. Some admirable qualities but I would not to work for or live next to him. He was one ruthless, mean, crazy SOB.
06:28 PM on 02/15/2011
you mean robert johnson has not been recognized in this manner ?
or the hook ?
thats inexcusable
mississippi is arguably the most influential state in the birth and evolution of
the blues
yet they want to stick to contraversy
cmon guys
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09:07 AM on 02/11/2011
Next: Charlie Manson plates for California, Ted Bundy plates for Florida and Jeffery Dahmer plates for his hometown peeps! Can we do Benedict Arnold for the Northeast as well?
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lovetolast
No more hurting people. Peace.
04:29 PM on 02/11/2011
Great post...and creepy funny as he//!
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01:01 PM on 02/17/2011
Whisconson seems to be home to a disproportionate number of serial killers. Ed Gein, Dahlmer and (I believe) John Wayne Gacy. What's up with that?
03:53 AM on 02/11/2011
I think I speak for most Americans when I say to the State of Mississippi: Shut up! Until you work your way off the bottom of the best educated states list and off the top of the most obese citizens list, put the Civil War reenactments and Confederate celebrations on hold and focus on job #1. You have nothing to say to the rest of us that's worth anything.
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04:30 PM on 02/11/2011
AND they've got the likes of haley barbour to explain, too! Sheesh...
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12:07 AM on 02/11/2011
Well, I read every post so far, all 42 pages worth. Let me say a couple of things:

1. It does not matter what Forrest did or didn't do to repudiate his bigotry, or how great a cavalry raider he was. He is tainted by association with the KKK. All that trying to celebrate him does is increase division. I think that's what supporters want. You are disgusting.

2. Smug liberals who stereotype the south are disgusting too.You are supposed to be advocates for progress, for unity, for inclusiveness. I thought we were like-minded, fighting for a better, less hateful America. You are just as prejudiced as the people you are criticizing. Racists exist everywhere. Lincoln hesitated to declare emancipation because he was afraid it would damage support for the war if northerners thought it was just a war to free slaves. That's because most white northerners believed in white supremacy, just not slavery. Malcolm X's family was forced to flee Omaha by the Klan. Then they were attacked in Michigan by white supremacists. Those places aren't in the south. Every one in the south is not a racist. I am not the confederacy because I am from the south. I didn't lose, you didn't win. A bunch of our ancestors did, 150 years ago.

3. African-Americans who stereotype whites: that is racist. It makes everything worse. I'm white, I don't hate you.

In conclusion: you are all hypocrites, and I'm moving to Canada. Good night.
12:59 AM on 02/11/2011
I'm glad I'm in the New South Africa and that kind of theory is dead.
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11:56 PM on 02/10/2011
I would like to walk up to a Mississippian and ask, "you realize that the North won approximately 150 years ago, right?"

On a side note, I found it ironic that there is a Reagan sticker on the same car as the license plate. XD
11:21 PM on 02/10/2011
To honor such a man is no different than commemorating as glorious the reign of Joseph Stalin, or the Third Reich, or putting Jefferson Davis on the $50 bill.

It is honoring the memory of a man who acted out his merit-less and boundless hatred against a group of people who had done him no wrong in a blind, brutal rage. He is not only known for being a General on the side that is now universally considered to have been objectively, morally wrong, but he qualified himself as a true believer after the war. And that is to go without mentioning how above-and-beyond the call of duty the man's brutality went in his military role.
11:02 PM on 02/10/2011
you can be so racist they call you a "Grand Wizard"?... wow... you learn something new everyday...