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Slash Mob: Secret Senate Gang Weighing Budget Cuts

First Posted: 02/15/11 05:40 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

Slash Mob Senate Budget Cuts

WASHINGTON -- A bipartisan group of senators that has been meeting behind the scenes during the past several months is emerging as the focal point in a battle over spending with no obvious end in sight. The gang met again Tuesday morning and Democrats uninvolved with the group were tipped off about the talks at a lunch with colleagues later in the day.

Five of the six key members of the group are the usual suspects: Budget hawk Kent Conrad (N.D.) and wheeler-dealer Mark Warner (Va.) on the Democratic side, joined by conservative Republicans Mike Crapo (Idaho), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.) and the Dr. No of the Senate, Tom Coburn (Okla.).

The sixth man is Dick Durbin (Ill.), the Democratic whip whose liberal bona fides make him an unlikely ally of the deficit hawks. A Durbin aide said that the number-two Senate Democrat has joined the group's negotiations so that progressives have a seat at the table, arguing that such discussions would be taking place with or without liberal input.

Durbin has been closely enough involved that other senators have begun to call him and the other three senators who voted to approve the presidential deficit commission recommendations "D-triple-C" -- Durbin, Conrad, Coburn and Crapo.

Chambliss told HuffPost that Durbin is serious about the talks, but has defended liberal priorities. "Obviously, there's some very serious issues that are very important to him and his constituency, and he's a strong advocate for that," Chambliss said.

The Georgia Republican said Durbin is not acting as a proxy for the White House. "Dick is his own guy in this," he said. "He has been very constructive and we've had a good dialogue. Dick understands how serious the problem is, as all of us do."

Liberal groups have heard similar sentiments before, however, and are worried that Durbin's involvement and his close ties to President Barack Obama means he'll be willing to compromise on core principles.

"We are not pleased that an otherwise good senator is getting on board with the Alan Simpson train to the end middle-class America," said Levana Layendecker of Democracy For America, a million-member group that originated with Howard Dean's 2004 presidential campaign.

DFA has been pressing Durbin not to agree to cuts to Social Security or other entitlements, which led to a meeting between group members and a Durbin staffer in Illinois. Before the meeting, the staffer pulled the organizer, Dr. Pamella Gronemeyer, aside and said, "Don't worry, it won't affect you," referring to possible cuts to Social Security, she told HuffPost.

"I was taken aback. I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about my kid and other people's kids," she said. "I don't care if it affects me. That's not how I make my decisions. It's not about me. It's the right thing to do. Anybody whose parents lived through the depression knows what it can be like."

Liberal anger at Durbin's vote for the deficit commission report and at his subsequent willingness to negotiate underscores the difficulty senators from each party will face in reaching some kind of agreement. Democrats are hoping Republicans overreach and propose draconian cuts that can be used against them, while Republicans have slammed Democrats for not backing enough cuts or tackling entitlements. "I don't know how, frankly, you do something like entitlement reform unless you've got presidential leadership," said Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.), who is considering his own shot at the Oval Office.

The political popularity of entitlement programs has both parties urging the other to jump first, assuring each other that, seriously, we'll right behind you. "There are Republicans up here who want to work on entitlement reform," Thune said. "We are available, willing and ready to do that. But the president has got to lead on this issue."

"We have got to cut some appropriations, but if you look at it, the big problem is the entitlements, and of course they are very popular. People depend on them," said Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), who is retiring at the end of 2012. "Everybody is waiting, but some of us have to be willing to step forward and put forth some proposals."

Privately, however, Republicans acknowledge that it would be a political blunder to get ahead of them on entitlement cuts. "Why would the president introduce [entitlement cuts] in his budget? When he didn't mention it in his SOTU address it wasn't a surprise. We wouldn't have done it either," a top Senate GOP aide said. "Look at what happened to Paul Ryan, how he got attacked as soon as he addressed entitlement reform in his roadmap."

"Let's vote on the Paul Ryan plan," said one giddy Democratic senator, relishing the thought of putting Republicans on the record in favor of eviscerating Medicare and Social Security.

Stopgap funding for the federal government is set to run out in early March, but Warner, Conrad, Chambliss and Coburn all told HuffPost their gang is not trying to put out a proposal by such a deadline.

It's also not clear that any agreement is possible. "It's very hard to forecast how this comes together," Conrad said. "We're not tied to a particular timetable." HuffPost asked if he meant "how" or "whether."

"Both," said Conrad.

Warner was more optimistic about the possibility of compromise, at least in the long term. "I think even you guys will be surprised by the number of senators that are going to be engaged," he told a group of reporters in the Capitol, adding that it will take time. "This is a structural deficit problem and it's going to take beyond one year's options" to fix," he said.

The gang of six senators formed from a hybrid of two separate groups that had been working toward writing deficit reduction legislation. Durbin had teamed with Crapo to try to revive the deficit commission's recommendations after they failed to garner the necessary votes to advance to a vote on the House or Senate floor. In December, Durbin met with a second group, led by Chambliss and Warner, that had a similar goal and included at least 10 Democrats. The group now comprises roughly 20 members from both sides of the aisle, said senators familiar with the negotiations, but Warner and Chambliss have been deputized to meet with Durbin's group and report back.

"We're kind of one and the same," said Chambliss of the two groups. "They were part of our group and now we've kind of boiled it down to picking those four guys' brain and getting their ideas."

The idea is to find $4 trillion in deficit reductions over the next decade, as the deficit commission did. The exercise, however, need not be complicated: According to the Congressional Research Service, extending the Bush-era tax cuts over the next decade will add $5.05 trillion to the deficit.


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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
03:06 AM on 02/17/2011
Hey --- this is NOT a conservative or progressive issue Americans, this is ours and our kids issue.

What do you not understand in "THE USA IS BROKE, THERE IS NO MONEY"?

On each $1.00 our government spends we borrow $0.40....... from China and Germany.

Soon we are going to be like Greece and Ireland or Argentina --- BANKRUPT.
11:19 AM on 02/19/2011
This is the kind of factually wrong, overwrought rhetoric that has driven the deficit hysteria.
First, as Dean Baker notes: "Investors are willing to lend the United States trillions of dollars at historically low interest rates. This means that the government is not broke. There is no evidence that it is coming up against any serious spending or borrowing limitation."
Second, intrerest on the debt is not anywhere near 40%.
Third, we are not anything like the countries you mention, for the reasons Baker notes.
While serious analysts note that long-term Medicare and Medicaid trends, driven largely by health care costs, are troubling, the current deficit is driven by other factors (typically not mentioned by those who are using this issue to push their right wing hobby horses):
-- two unpaid-for wars,
-- the unpaid-for Bush tax cuts and prescription drug subsidy, and
-- the deep recession, which both deeply cut revenues and increased automatic costs.
Solutions can be found in the causes: create more jobs and demand (which is not done by cutting spending), put the military budget and subsidies to big industries like pharma on the table, and return tax rates on the very richest to levels found not long ago during times of prosperity.
We don't have to make poor people and the elderly victims; we can address real issues not by hyperventilating and making stuff up but by serious, fair analysis.
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structurequity
structurequity not oppression
10:26 PM on 02/16/2011
shall we gather in the streets and send these hoary old men packing? or will we simply say,
'we are Oh! so able to suffer fools once more.'
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RoveRoveRoveYourBoat
.....last one out, turn off the lights.
11:48 AM on 02/16/2011
When senatards instead of progressive economists "fix" economies.......
Ways for the senate to GROW the economy instead of destructively contracting the economy:
1. Glas-Stiegal NOW to force commercial banks to lend instead of hord and derivative gamble.
2. Sherman Anti Trust enforcement NOW to require the consolidated economy to hire for unconsolidated branch buisness.
3. Buy American provisions in ALL government spending contracts.
4. Revoke all tax benifit to offshore assets, branch companies and production.
5. TARRIFFS - a pair of shoes should be no cheaper to source from China than Virginia.
6. Hire American provision which offers tax benifits and tax penalties for Corporations.
7. END all foreign quagmires in 6-months.
8. SLASH the unspeakably expensive unnecessary military by 1/3.
9. Free TRADE-SCHOOL and basic collage for ALL Americans. I't called investment.
10.Remove the cap of $106k from Soc. Security contributions, lowering everyones contribution and giving grandma a raise.
11. Single Payer HEALTHCARE eliminates the thieves from the universally necessary system.
12. Companies knowingly hiring illegal workers shall have their office Christmas parties and BOARD of DIRECTOR meetings in Levenworth.
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11:29 AM on 02/16/2011
Durbin will cave, just as Obama did. Cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid mean one thing: People with no alternatives will not get the financial and medical assistance they need. Many seniors are already struggling to keep their heads above water, making the impossible choice between three meals a day and necessary medication. If the proposed cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are approved some of these people will die; it's that simple. Who do we see about that?
11:15 AM on 02/16/2011
Gates is saying no defense cuts. It could be dangerous he says.

It probably would be dangerous, if the military industrial corporations got mad with all their weapons in hand.
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11:01 AM on 02/16/2011
Let the GOP propose cust to Social Security. Don't hold their hand as they touch the third rail you will get zapped.

When it comes to politics the dems are playing checkers while the GOPers are playing chess
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TxAnna
10:45 AM on 02/16/2011
Sheeesh! I am SOOOO tired of pasty-faced, mostly old, rich white guys telling the rest of us to tighten our belts.
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Sam Bark
It's a MAD world after all...
03:10 AM on 02/17/2011
Then, why don't you pay my taxes.....
10:29 AM on 02/16/2011
Congressional switchboard : 202-224-3121 .....call your representatives and tell them to leave social security alone , tell them to vote against H.R. 3 , and H.R. 358
10:26 AM on 02/16/2011
Social Security is NOT an entitlement . We all pay a dedicated tax in order to fund SS and it cannot add a penny to the debt by law . SS has 2.6 TRILLION dollars in a trust fund that collects interest . Social Security is not a part of out debt problem and should not be a part of this discussion . Social Security is not an entitlement !
10:21 AM on 02/16/2011
The idea is to find $4 trillion in deficit reductions over the next decade, as the deficit commission did. The exercise, however, need not be complicated: According to the Congressional Research Service, extending the Bush-era tax cuts over the next decade will add $5.05 trillion to the deficit.
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10:20 AM on 02/16/2011
I live in VA and I just called Warner's office about this. I asked the woman who answered the phone how much Warner is going to hurt Social Security recipients and why he wants to hurt the most vulnerable, and she could not give me any answer whatsoever. I told her to tell him that if he touches Social Security he won;t get another vote from me.

I've called his office before and gotten the same nonresponse. and to those of you who attack me because a repug would be worse, SAVE IT! There is NO difference between Warner and the most mouthbreathing repug. They are one and the same. For the rich, of the rich, by the rich. PERIOD.
Sandmanj
Tread gently. Mother nature is pregnant.
10:11 AM on 02/16/2011
Why call them a "gang"???

Sure, the three Republicans in the group could fairly be called thugs, but the "gang" word makes no sense in context. Just more headline sensationalism?

I didn't come here to see checkout stand rag headlines.
10:09 AM on 02/16/2011
Dang, these Republicans are clever. Completely bankrupt the country, then have US agree to cut the very programs that are there to help people in dire straights (some for the first time in their lives) -- programs that conversatives wanted to be rid of all along.
10:07 AM on 02/16/2011
We need to wake up people,the politicians are playing you like puppets(democrats,republicans,independants,teapartiers) they don't have your best interest at heart. Its their interest and the interest of corporate business that really matter.When the dust settles they will have ripped off an entire nation with the help of its own people. Before its to late we need to take this gov.back and put it in the hands of the people. they did it in Egypt.
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RedDog79
10:03 AM on 02/16/2011
how secret is it if we know who they are?
11:04 AM on 02/16/2011
Maybe they are meeting in secret. They are plotting how to hide their SenateCare packages.