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EEOC Asks: Are Employers Discriminating Against The Jobless?

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First Posted: 02/16/11 06:38 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:30 PM ET

A Craigslist job ad posted Feb. 6 for a $25-per-hour customer relations position in San Francisco encourages men, women, and students to apply, "No Experience Required" -- as long as the applicant already has a job.

"Must be currently employed or recently employed," the ad specifies.

Three years into the recession, variations of the phrase "must be currently employed" are still appearing in job ads across various kinds of positions all over the web as employers are peppered with applications from a growing pool of long-term unemployed people. Robert Half Legal is running an ad on Monster.com for a "currently employed" defense attorney. Dough, a restaurant in San Antonio, Texas, advertised on Craigslist for pizza cooks who are either "currently employed or recently unemployed (1 to 4) months out."

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which enforces U.S. laws prohibiting employment discrimination, held a public meeting Wednesday morning to discuss discrimination against the jobless. It's a question that some politicians and members of the media don't seem to take seriously, deriding the jobless as lazy or unqualified even though there are 4.7 laid-off workers for every job opening.

James Urban, who represents and counsels employers as a partner at Jones Day law firm, told the EEOC Wednesday that he does not believe that such discrimination is occurring.

"I thought perhaps that I was missing something, so I reviewed and have brought with me the 'help wanted' sections for this past Sunday from my hometown newspaper and several other major metropolitan papers," he said. "I found not one single advertisement in any of these publications stating that the unemployed need not apply. I haven't discovered anything remotely close to such a statement. This all is consistent with my personal experience that employers in most all circumstances are looking to hire the best candidate for the position that is being filled and, to that end, solicit, welcome and consider all qualified candidates regardless of their employment status."

But Helen Norton, an associate professor at the University of Colorado School of Law, said she has seen ads for a "wide range of jobs" that require an applicant to be currently employed, including ads for 'freight handlers, restaurant managers, sales representatives and other salespersons, litigation associates, mortgage underwriters, electrical engineers, apartment maintenance technicians, and executive assistants."

Citing previous HuffPost articles, Norton told the EEOC that these current-employment requirements may be vicariously discriminating against certain protected groups of people, including minorities, the disabled and the elderly, since those groups have higher unemployment rates than the rest of the population.

"Employment practices that disproportionately disadvantage protected-class members without any meaningful relationship to successful job performance may sometimes conceal an employer's intent to discriminate," she said in her testimony. "Even absent an employer's discriminatory intent, employment practices that impose a disparate impact often reflect unexamined assumptions and stereotypes about the skills and capabilities that predict successful job performance."

While it is not currently illegal to weed out unemployed job applicants in most states, New Jersey recently introduced a law that would fine employers up to $10,000 for posting job ads that explicitly discriminate against the jobless. Wednesday's meeting marked the first time the EEOC has publicly examined the issue.

"Throughout its 45 year history, the EEOC has identified and remedied discrimination in hiring and remains committed to ensuring job applicants are treated fairly," Chair Jacqueline A. Berrien said. "Today's meeting gave the commission an important opportunity to learn about the emerging practice of excluding unemployed persons from applicant pools."

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A Craigslist job ad posted Feb. 6 for a $25-per-hour customer relations position in San Francisco encourages men, women, and students to apply, "No Experience Required" -- as long as the applicant alr...
A Craigslist job ad posted Feb. 6 for a $25-per-hour customer relations position in San Francisco encourages men, women, and students to apply, "No Experience Required" -- as long as the applicant alr...
 
 
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10:19 AM on 03/08/2011
in the past i've gone to temp agencies to work when in between jobs. now they discriminate as much as the employers. they used to pay at least $15 an hour if you had skills. now they won't hire you or try to get work for you unless you will accept $10 hour and you have to have been unemployed for no more than 2 months. i was also told that employers were telling the temp agencies not to send anyone that was older than 30. i am no longer using temp agencies. the EEOC needs to address this across the country IMMEDIATELY - otherwise, there will be even longer lines at the food stamp office.
12:48 PM on 03/03/2011
The EEOC and Mr. Urban are blind!!!! I have seen these postings on CareerBuilder and Monster for "currently employed" and "recent employment" stated in the job postings. I have now been unemployed for 9 months and in the current city I live in the unemployment rate is 13%. I am working on further computer certifications at this time in hopes that they will improve my chances. I have a Bachelor degree but, that seems to do nothing for me. I am actually going to be checking into the Texas area within the next month since that is a state that seems to have decent job growth. I've never experienced the sort of rejection I have in these last 9 months and have never been unemployed before...I'm very displeased with the actions of government and major corporations in this country...
11:45 AM on 03/06/2011
Good luck ..If I don't find anything in the next two-months , I heading to Tx , Washington or Ark.
03:16 PM on 03/01/2011
Why are people lining up for Job Fairs?They are a waste! Do they not know 99% of those companies who attend are there just for good press ?This is worst then a Martin Lawrence stand up comedy!

P.S
Unemployed and still trying ..
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08:57 PM on 02/25/2011
OMG - discrimination is RAMPANT. I feel it personally due to my boomer age but now employers won't even talk to me because I have not been able to find a job in this dour economy?????

I say FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone has to address this ASAP.

(Moreover, why would a company be interested in hiring someone who is already employed - once thought to be a "job hopper")
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
04:53 PM on 02/25/2011
There's always a stigma attached to being out of work. I've been checking on jobs I've applied to at a career board and some have drawn over 200 applicants. Given the numbers, employers can afford to be very, very picky.
09:18 PM on 02/21/2011
Sad. In that case, the govt should extend unemployment benefits to them.
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Kathleen Riley-Daniels
Photographer. Author. Artist.
08:43 AM on 02/21/2011
I had a headhunter call for leads, and the hiring company told her only people currently working would be considered.

As to James Urban and his newspaper search, wouldn't you hope that most companies would be smart enough to not put that requirement in writing?
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
05:00 PM on 02/25/2011
I believe the code term being used is 'must have steady employment history' or thereabouts.
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AuntInAZ
Hypocrisy is one of my pet peeves.
08:04 PM on 03/05/2011
There are code words being used, most definitely! You may not see it in the ads, but on LinkedIN we've had recruiters say in some groups there are code words companies will pass to them on a number of things that might be considered discrimination, and yes, one of them is the issue of already being employed. I have seen job ads myself that do specify either the steady employment history or currently employed. My job history was very steady until about three years ago, now I look like a job hopper due to my working temp jobs and part time jobs while unemployed.

One of the things we've discussed on LinkedIn is if a candidate is willing to leave a job to come to you, what makes you think they would not leave you to go somewhere else just as easily?

Anyway, this is just another form of discrimination. So many of us are out there busting our butts looking for employment and this is just one more thing that gets thrown at us to make things more difficult for us!
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
08:33 PM on 02/20/2011
They are doing it because they are finding other companies getting away with discriminating against the unemployed, and they suspect that they will get away with it, too.

BZ.
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Brad Martin
01:01 PM on 02/19/2011
Discrimination is Discrimination no matter what type it is, but now those people that thought getting rid of Affirmative Action was a good idea are thinking Affirmative Action isn't so bad.
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morgansher
just disgusted in general
01:11 AM on 02/18/2011
Of course its discriminatory! And by using that tack, they can exclude people over a targeted age, women, minorities, gender minorities and its damn a perfect cover.
10:06 PM on 02/17/2011
Having been an employment-labor legal assistant/paralegal, it's hard to prove discrimination unless it's incredibly overt, blatant & witnessed. EEOC can make all the discrimination laws it wants, but employers can simply say they found a more suitable candidate.

I also wish there were a way for job applicants to check out potential employers better. I myself have had a couple of attorney bosses who weren't merely "crotchety" or a little "snippety" when under stress but who were truly sadistic - to the point of being clearly emotionally disturbed - & who loved to belittle & insult & scream @ their assistants just to make them quake in their shoes, cry, & doubt themselves. I always kept my cool w/these guys & just told them they were wasting their time using such tactics to lower my self esteem b/c I didn't allow anyone - including them - to do that. But it made for miserable working conditions that weren't acceptable or tolerable for the long-term. Yet these attorneys were very pleasant & friendly acting when I interviewed w/them. It was only AFTER I'd worked for them a month or two that I started learning from others what they were REALLY like & began to experience myself their truly sick emotional abuse.

I'm limiting my job hunting now to only contract-to-perm or temp-to-perm jobs w/the high potential for becoming perm w/i 3-4 months if during that time job proves to be good match, unless it's a referral from someone reliable.
06:15 AM on 02/18/2011
My experience exactly. Read misadventuresinjobhunting.com for descriptions of some of the outrageous, bizarre, and borderline pathological behavior I've witnessed and endured from such bosses. You can't make this stuff up.
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
09:32 PM on 02/20/2011
siposter, your blog is exquisite. Scary, too. And you're still sane after all that? But I agree, you couldn't have made that all up.

Reading your prose, I can't help but remember another "truth-teller" who works in a completely different area, that of oil production (still a woman!)

Booming 101 (your voice double starts at 1:50)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx8kMXufu3w

I enjoyed booming 101, and I enjoyed your blog, too.

BZ.
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Janet Ritz
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03:11 PM on 02/22/2011
siposter, contact me at the contact page on my website (you'll find the link at my huffpost bio: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-ritz). I want to talk with you about your writing.
03:22 PM on 03/01/2011
I agree ! I walked in on many interviews and knew I would not get hired .Instead of applying for jobs , I'm waiting on referrals or have taking temp jobs that will be at least 90days ..Within a two year spam , I've received 9 interviews out of 2k-3k applicants I put in ..This Jan , I decided to ditch applying for Big companies and companies who want you to file out a 6-10 step applicant ..
08:39 PM on 02/17/2011
Make a list
Check it twice
Boycott the naughty
Reward the nice
07:24 PM on 02/17/2011
You're not going to find ads that specificially state "the unemployed need not apply." What you WILL find are ads for "employed whatever" or "currently working as...." As a 59 year-old actively but unsuccessfully seeking employment (everything from senior executive to minimum wage) for almost 2 years, I've seen more than a few such ads. Give me an address and I'll forward each one I find. .

Further, it should be obvious that hiring managers are not required under penalty of law to state such a "preference." They simply toss the resume into the round file and that's the end of that.

And to those telling me to retrain, I have a simple question and respectfully request a bit of advice: what exactly should I be retraining for when a B.A. and 30+ years of experience as a senior level communciations, marketing and business development professional doesn't cut it anymore?
07:01 PM on 02/18/2011
The logic is every job is so "different or complex" that none of your experience or education can possibly carry over .
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thebearschick
06:09 PM on 02/17/2011
Your resume is how you market yourself. Why on earth would you leave a blank space at the top? If you aren't being paid to work, go out and volunteer. Do something you are good at that you can put on your resume. Most employers won't care if you are getting paid a lot, they care that you are trying to learn new things and stay fresh.

Also, being unemployed can be very scary. It can lead to desperation. Employers can sense that. You want to approach every job interview you go into as YOU having something to offer THEM. Not the other way around. Just because you've been out of work doesn't mean you have nothing to offer. You are just as good as anyone who has a job. It's your job to show the employer just that.
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kareemachan
watashi ha tororu ga oroka da to omoi masu。
12:50 PM on 02/20/2011
But if you can't even get your foot in the door to sell yourself, what are you going to do? If the ad or employer says you must be employed to be considered, you would be cut out from the very start.
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thebearschick
03:49 PM on 02/22/2011
It's probably best. I wouldn't want to work for someone who blatantly discriminated like that. I'd rather they show their cards up front so I can look elsewhere.
03:25 PM on 03/01/2011
Volunteering = an added cost ..You have pay your own transportation cost , and not to mention , volunteer work has dried up .Volunteer opportunities are very scares nowadays.