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Department Of Education Pitches New Ideas At First National Summit Of Teachers' Unions

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KRISTEN WYATT   02/16/11 05:54 PM ET   AP

DENVER — Over skits and snacks Wednesday, hundreds of teachers from around the country got a soft sell from the U.S. Department of Education to become more open-minded about new pay and evaluation systems.

Wrapping up the first national summit among teachers' unions, school administrators and board members representing some 150 districts from 40 states heard glowing reports from districts that have already shifted how they evaluate and train teachers.

The summit was billed by Education Secretary Arne Duncan as a groundbreaking effort to build trust between unions and the leaders who sometimes are their adversaries. Participants spent most of the short summit hearing how great things are in the dozen school districts presenting how they achieved pay-for-performance teacher compensation and other changes that align with what federal education officials say are needed reforms.

Those reforms are even more necessary now as states continue to grapple with massive budget shortfalls and scores of teachers face layoffs again this year, Duncan said. Duncan told reporters in a conference call that schools should ban "last hired, first fired" policies touted by unions as a way to protect seniority, just as districts should not lay off only older teachers simply because they are paid more.

"If you have to make tough calls, you have to figure out for the most disadvantaged communities how you keep your best talent," he said.

Later, Duncan boosted union members' spirits by promising he'd stick up for them in states where governors have vowed to shut down teachers' collective bargaining rights. Duncan specifically mentioned Wisconsin, where some 10,000 protesters descended on the state Capitol Wednesday to protest Republican Gov. Scott Walker's proposal to all but eliminate the bargaining process for most public employees.

Duncan vowed to call Walker personally, though he didn't elaborate on what he'd say.

"We're going to do everything we can to bring governors to the table," Duncan said to applause from the educators.

The summit was a whirlwind pitch covering 10 sweeping points federal educators want schools to consider, from evaluating teachers in new ways to handling layoffs demanded by budget cuts in many areas.

"There's so little time – they couldn't really go in depth, so they act like this is the easiest thing in the world, and we know that that's not so," said Earl Rickman, school board president in Mt. Clemens, Mich., which recently agreed to a merit-pay system with its teachers' union.

A sixth-grade teacher from Rickman's school district, Kevin Marvin, leads the teachers' union there and agreed the selling pitch for merit pay and other changes was a bit one-dimensional. But he gave high marks to the effort to remind school leaders that teachers are willing to make changes but need to be persuaded the reforms will help kids.

"Something we've never looked at is how our labor agreements affect student achievement," Marvin said.

Federal officers made clear schools have little choice but to make changes to how teachers are evaluated and trained. They tried to sell teachers and administrators on the idea that change is needed even when it's scary and painful. All sides agree that kids come first, but the unions and administrators were told they need to work harder to iron out what all sides don't agree on.

"Honestly accept the burden of the entire conversation, from aspirations to problem-solving to the tough conversations," said Brad Jupp, a senior program adviser for the U.S. Department of Education.

Jupp was moderating a panel in which a Denver teacher shared her anxieties when moving into the school district with a pay-for-performance system.

The teacher, Lori Nazareno of Denver's Math and Science Leadership Academy, explained that she warmed to the idea after learning that teachers would be rewarded for working at traditionally low-performing schools and that student tests weren't the only standard used to measure teachers' performance.

"The opportunities for teacher leadership, teacher empowerment, teachers taking control of the system, that's significant," Nazareno said.

The rah-rah talk about education reforms was mixed in with skits from Chicago's famed Second City comedy troupe in which actors pretended to be a bickering union leader, superintendent and school board member.

It all seemed a bit hokey to some, but participants said the underlying theme is that changes are inevitable and don't have to be as painful as some fear.

"All the districts here are in the same boat. We're learning how to do this, how to work together," said Ralph Hernandez, school board president in Buffalo, N.Y.

Two big districts – New York City schools and Washington, D.C., schools – pulled out of the conference at the last minute because of ongoing disagreements between teachers' unions and district management. But Duncan and others stressed that the summit had a waiting list of 100 districts in addition to the 150 that attended.

"We had districts literally calling us in tears saying they wanted to come," Duncan said.

He dismissed complaints that the summit wasn't broad enough.

"It was a minor miracle to get all of us on the same page," he joked, motioning to union leaders and school board representatives on the stage.

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Associated Press writer Dorie Turner in Atlanta contributed to this report.

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Sarah Honea
04:59 PM on 02/18/2011
Finally the Class War in this country is visible. You cant turn back, there is no middle ground anymore. When the amoral rich threw the first volley in 2007, they did not calculate that the rest of us still have some fight left. Every action has an equally powerful reaction/ The amoral rich have gotten lazy. You never want to add water over lye, you'll get burned.
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EmmaNYC
shoes & ships & sealing wax, cabbages & kings
09:06 PM on 02/17/2011
I am so proud of my colleagues in Wisconsin! They should know that their union brothers and sisters across America stand with them in solidarity.
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teacher39years
Educational Reformers need to be "Reformed."
09:36 PM on 02/17/2011
I totally agree.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
02:36 PM on 02/17/2011
Teacher union leader, Kevin Marvin: "Something we've never looked at is how our labor agreements affect student achievement."

The first step on the road to recovery is admitting you have a problem.
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JusdaTruth
a proud child of the 60's
07:12 PM on 02/18/2011
Your ideas are so simplistic. Why aren't the suburbs clamoring for change?
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
08:03 PM on 02/18/2011
lol

They are.
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Ortho Stice
Only the Left is in its right mind
12:31 PM on 02/17/2011
Open letter to everyone who wants to eliminate tenure or teachers unions because they "protect" bad teachers:

I work in an Illinois school district with the second most powerful union in the state. Despite its influence, the union can do absolutely nothing about the fact that the district is firing 10 tenured teachers.

"Why?" one might ask. "Are they incompetent?"

No, the 10 teachers who are being "RIFed" are all excellent teachers who have garnered glowing performance reviews. They are being terminated because they have the audacity to teach courses that lie outside the "core competencies," namely vocational and physical education.

Despite a seven-figure budget SURPLUS, the school board has decided that $1 million must be trimmed from the operating expenses. The board president is appalled that our "dollars per student" is second highest in the state. (One would think that would be a good thing.)

The union has fought the RIFs tooth and nail, but in the final analysis, they are powerless.

Anyone who thinks that tenure is anything other than the assurance of due process is lying to himself and anyone whom he tries to convince otherwise. Tenure only means "a job for life" if the school districts are too lazy to submit to due process or too afraid to air the district's dirty laundry in public.

If school districts can arbitrarily dismiss teachers merely because they decide that courses aren't prestigious or "necessary" enough, imagine life without tenure.
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02:25 PM on 02/18/2011
"Anyone who thinks that tenure is anything other than the assurance of due process is lying to himself and anyone whom he tries to convince otherwise. Tenure only means "a job for life" if the school districts are too lazy to submit to due process or too afraid to air the district's dirty laundry in public."

Well said, Ortho!
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Rynox
My patience is over taxed.
11:02 AM on 02/17/2011
If you came here to make a point about how terrible Democrats/unions are or how terrible Republicans/NCLB are, just shut the f-k up. This issue is far too important to take into the political arena. Sure, certain policies of teachers unions impede effective instruction, but without teachers unions, teachers would be treated unfairly. What, are we just supposed to trust school corporations to treat teachers fairly? No. My time of trusting people to do the right thing are over.

So what do we do? If you can posit creative ideas on how to fix the system, fine, but if you are just here to rattle cages and make a point about how everyone else is wrong just stop it, you do not advance the debate and you are a big part of the problem.
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Insanity rules
02:44 PM on 02/17/2011
I believe there is a place for unions, but it seems strange to me that there is no clause in the contract for when there is a recession. How much does it cost states to manage the pension funds. My husbands company (which treats it's employees well) turned their accounts over to them for them to manage. 401k's suck but maybe it's time the unions go for personnal accounts instead of a defined wage for the rest of your life.
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02:39 PM on 02/18/2011
"How much does it cost states to manage the pension funds?"

The state of Wisconsin spends 15% of pension costs on Wall Street management. How is this the fault of the teachers' union? I do think you make a valid point though.
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bella citta
Duke Ellington...Mood Indigo...Bliss
10:13 AM on 02/17/2011
For anyone who thinks the problem with our country is that the cost of educating our children is too expensive, try dealing with the cost we are racking up because of the ignorance of our adults.
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02:39 PM on 02/18/2011
That comment is why I'm a fan.
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Insanity rules
03:22 PM on 02/18/2011
Why does it have to be THIS system that we support? There's a different way of thinking. Subsidize the poor in education, middle class schools get a set budget, if you want anymore parents pay for it, fund raise for it, etc. Those who can't afford it gets help, those who can pay for it. No corporate welfare they don't need advantages.

Give me $10,000 a year to educate my kid and I'll do a hell of a lot better job.
10:08 AM on 02/17/2011
Education money mostly is wasted on duplicated administration, not teachers.
On Long Island, eg, 5/6/7 schools only in a district, yet Superintendents get around $300,000 p.a -ridiculous!
On L I, 70 % of districts could be got rid of, and all those savings from eliminating duplicated administration could be directed to teaching.
Why isn't this being discussed?
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Insanity rules
03:27 PM on 02/18/2011
Precisely!!!!! That should be the first to be examined. We do need administrators though so the teachers can teach but there is so much paperwork, federal/state mandates. . . should a student have to get "signed off by the school" in order to work? Every time you add these little laws you add to the work load to the administrative staff positions. The required committee work for a teacher is enormous.
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10:02 AM on 02/17/2011
Performance based pay is bullcrap in public education. This admins DOE is just as bad ad the last
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traceydouglas
outside the box
10:36 AM on 02/17/2011
Worse, actually. :(
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09:27 AM on 02/17/2011
Nothing but tr0))s here today
09:12 AM on 02/17/2011
Until each student is evaluated for learning ability as well as learning achievement and the comparisons noted, teachers should not be held accountable for anything more than the motivation to learn and the tactics to be employed TO learn. The comparison I would make in this thread is that of the horse power and "road ready" of automobiles when rating their ability to operate efficiently and economically while performing at certain rates of speed. Innate ability, student interest and capability (aka talent), adequate rest and nutrition must all combine with the academic climate, specific learning devices (often termed text books and "hardware") and then adding the match of learning strategies to teaching strategies of a well-prepared teacher will promote a higher achieving student.

All of these items should be taken into account in the evaluation of the educational progress of ALL students. The teacher is just one element in this complicated compound we call education.
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mogluver
If you can pitch, you can catch.
09:41 AM on 02/17/2011
So true, and there is no easy answer to the problem. I spent 25 years in the classroom and found that by looking at each student as an individual and moving them along the standards real progress was made. Most folks don't understand that the federal government causes more problems in education than it has solved. In elementary school I found that if I had good materials, lots of library books, supportive computer programs (reading book quizzes and math skill review), and the time for small group instruction, I could move students as fast as their desires would take them in learning. I mostly taught in poor rural school districts, money is important but not the whole answer. Teaching is a real complex process and can not be dictated by Washington. The fuss over Unions relates to their ability to organize folks and vote, and folks that's the elephant dancing in the middle of the bargaining table.
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Mary Blickhahn
Mary Quite Contrary
11:17 AM on 02/17/2011
Well said!
09:54 AM on 02/17/2011
Yep, something I've been saying over and over. No one wants to look at the CONTEXT of the problem and seriously consider that the SYSTEM, not just one element of it, needs reworking. This summit, regardless of its intention, is insulting, imo.
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jfbuf
people are corporations too
09:00 AM on 02/17/2011
everything must change, it's time some of the dinosaur union thinking did also
10:40 AM on 02/17/2011
Sentences begin with a capital letter and end with a period. Your inability to punctuate correctly has nothing to do with the teachers' union. As with so many students, you show a willful disregard for what you've been taught. No charge. You're welcome.
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Insanity rules
03:40 PM on 02/18/2011
I have a question for you. If you could change one of your local schools, free reign, what would it look like? Would it look the same as all other schools? The biggest mistake a private school can make is create it to look like the public school but it's what the parents are familiar with. They are not familiar with a new way of evaluating or new way of learning. Just check out the teaching learning curriculum at your university. How much online learning information are they given? Research shows we can learn, how we can learn, how a student can take better notes. Online learning has been proven to be as good as face to face learning. But do the people who educate the new educators teach them about it? Not many. So I'm to trust these teachers but states won't trust me to educate my own child?
The point I took was everything must change. We are writing this page in history as we go. The influx of knowledge, access is changing rapidly. Is this really the way we need to continue on?
08:57 AM on 02/17/2011
I was going to say that teachers should accept a "pay-for-performance" system as soon as the legislators do. I wasn't thinking. The legislators already have such a system. The performance just depends on who pays.
09:05 AM on 02/17/2011
pay for performance schemes are just another excuse to increase federal government / union bureacracy and power. Get the federal government and their union allies out of education. Eliminate the DOE and Outlaw public employee unions. that will make the teachers responsible to the school administrators and the administrators responsible to the local authorities. If someone doesnt perform theyre out. too american for you?
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mauibob
I am a recovering Liberal. I apologize for my past
09:54 AM on 02/17/2011
If only we could vote out the teachers.
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Bookman Dave
08:49 AM on 02/17/2011
What works in education? Every year the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development does a massive 60 country study of educational processes and outcomes. The top scoring Western countries share something in common: highly paid and highly qualified teachers, unionized workforce (so teachers are not wholly dominated by parents and administrators) and a political/economic system which provides an adequate social safety net for the poor (so that poor students have a more equal opportunity at using the educational system to improve their lot). The bipartisan attacks in the U.S against teachers and teacher's unions are simply a means of limiting opportunity for the poor and middleclass while maintaining the priviledge of the rich to send their children to private schools. The poor will be educated by vouchers, the rich will use the vouchers as a subsidy which when added to their own money will provide a far superior education for their children. In the past, the educational system was a means for ALL students to improve their social/economic mobility. In the future it will be reserved only for the rich.
08:54 AM on 02/17/2011
"The top scoring Western countries share something in common": yeah they spend less than the US. btw we have a highly paid union work force in the public schools and they consistently underperform the underfunded, low-paying, nonunion private schools. stop parroting the union line and explain that.
09:00 AM on 02/17/2011
mostly they have heterogeneous populations
09:15 AM on 02/17/2011
like it or not, rich kids w/an average teacher will far out perform poor kids w/a great teacher. Also there were several years that my Big City school system hired every applicant for certain subjects. Even low quality applicants, and still needed more. What does this tell you about the pay scale/working conditions? Ever check out stats. on private schools serving poor kids? Don't believe "THE BIG LIE"
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bella citta
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08:45 AM on 02/17/2011
The biggest and boldest idea has always been to reduce the teacher pupil ratio. Can we afford it?
Can we afford not to?
08:50 AM on 02/17/2011
that's the biggest and boldest idea? what does this do apart from insuring more jobs for the teacher's unions. which one do you belong to?
09:00 AM on 02/17/2011
you are ignorant
09:19 AM on 02/17/2011
With the wide backgrounds of our students - racial, ethnic and economic, our classrooms do not look anything like those in other countries with which they are compared. The smaller enrollment in our classrooms permits the teacher to address the cultural as well as the intellectual differences which abound in ours. With the explosion of technology available for both motivating and teaching students, we do have an opportunity to move ahead.