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Wisconsin Protests Scott Walker

First Posted: 02/17/11 02:54 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

Wisconsin Democrats on Thursday fled the statehouse in an effort to prevent legislators from reaching a quorum and passing a bill put forth by Gov. Scott Walker (R), which would cripple the collective bargaining rights of public unions.

(Scroll down for the latest updates from Wisconsin)

The move produced a frantic political drama, as state troopers were reportedly sent out to find the fleeing lawmakers and Walker hinted that the National Guard would be called in to fill the void left by protesting union workers.

One Democratic senator told the Associated Press that he and his fleeing colleagues are currently in Illinois.

Their flight further heightened the drama that has surrounded the Wisconsin statehouse this week. On Wednesday there were an estimated 30,000 peacefully rallying in front of the state capitol building, and on Thursday an estimated 25,000 turned out.

Madison public schools are closed for the second day running, as teachers call in sick and students walk out.

Wisconsin is a stronghold of the labor movement -- the birthplace of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, one of the nation's largest labor unions -- with a long history of successful battles for workers' rights. This is part of the reason the pushback to Walker's bill has been so strong. It's also why, if the bill does pass, the precedent it sets for other conservative governors looking to go after collective bargaining rights is so powerful.

"The attacks on public-sector public bargaining rights are extremely ferocious, and the outcome depends on the magnitude of the fight back," Cornell Professor of Labor Relations Rebecca Givan said. "Other governors are closely watching."

If the bill is passed, Givan said, wages will be frozen and benefits will be slashed. The one flexibility Walker's bill offers for collective bargaining, the ability to bargain over wages, is, in Givan's view, practically meaningless.

"They can bargain over wages but only up to the Consumer Price Index -- that's barely bargaining," she said. "That's just 'we're going to go for scraps.'"

The bill cannot be passed if there is not a single Democrat in the chamber. But even if one is rounded up, and the bill passes the senate, protesters won't stop fighting.

When asked what would happen if the bill goes through, Phil Neuenfeldt, President of the Wisconsin state AFL-CIO, couldn't say. "All I can do is say what the emotion is, what the feelings are," he said. "There are thousands of good and committed people who are not going to let go of this thing. As far as what's going to happen on Monday, I'm not sure. But I can tell you one thing: there's going to be people reacting to this until it turns around."

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The Atlantic reports that at one town hall meeting in Wisconsin, one GOP state senator faced "loud opposition" to a proposed compromise.

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From AP:

About 50 pro-union protesters peacefully left the state Capitol late Thursday after a judge ruled they could no longer spend the night to show their opposition to Gov. Scott Walker's proposal to eliminate nearly all collective bargaining rights for public workers.

The judge also ruled the state had violated the public's free speech and assembly rights by restricting access to the building.

Full story here.

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AP reports that Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker says he will issue layoff notices to 1,500 state employees Friday if his union bill doesn't pass by then:

Walker also said in an interview with The Associated Press that he is negotiating with Democrats who stymied passage of the bill by leaving the state for changes to the proposal that would get them to return. Walker said he won't compromise on the collective bargaining issue or anything that saves the state money.

"I can't take any of that off the table," he said.

More here.

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Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that Democratic State Senators in Wisconsin have been threatened with contempt by Republicans, if they don't return by 4 p.m. today:

Republicans in the state Senate ordered Democrats on Thursday to return to the chamber by 4 p.m. or be found in contempt of the Senate - a move that means Democrats could be taken into custody.

"We simply cannot have democracy be held hostage because the minority wants to prove a point," said Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau).

Full story here. Take a look at the resolution below.


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HuffPost's Mark Blumenthal writes:

A new survey released this morning by the Pew Research Center is the first to provide a clear before-and-after snapshot of national attitudes toward labor unions in the wake of the ongoing protests and budget conflict in Wisconsin:

The public’s overall views of labor unions have changed little through the lengthy stalemate between Wisconsin’s governor and the state’s public employee unions over collective bargaining rights. About half (47%) say they have a favorable opinion of labor unions compared with 39% who have an unfavorable opinion. In early February, 45% expressed a favorable opinion of unions and 41% said they had an unfavorable view. However, liberal Democrats and people in union households are more likely to say they have a very favorable opinion of labor unions than they were just weeks ago.

See the Pew Research report for their complete analysis and full results by party, ideology and union membership subgroups. The Pew Center had also conducted an in-depth survey on unions in early February, just before Walker released the budget bill that sparked the protests.

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Amanda Terkel:

On Wednesday afternoon, former congressman Dave Obey -- who served from 1969 until retiring this year -- was barred from entering the Wisconsin statehouse.

“I’ve been coming to this building since 1958 and I’ve never been denied access,” Obey stated. Although he did not tell security officials who he was -- because he believed everyone should have access, regardless of title -- others did inform them.

Yesterday, a judge issued an injunction ordering the Capitol building "open...to members of the public during business hours and at times when governmental matters, such as hearings, listening sessions and court arguments are being conducted."

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Several Democratic members of the Assembly set up desks outside to meet with their constituents, arguing that people could not get to their offices.

“Governor Walker’s lockdown of the Capitol during normal business hours betrays Wisconsin’s longstanding dedication to open government and is an insult to the people of Wisconsin," said Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca (D) in a statement. "I call on Governor Walker to let the people back into the People’s House immediately.”

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The City of Madison has filed a police report charging a 23-year-old man for "disorderly conduct" after he unplugged extension cords from a Fox News vehicle. Read the full report here.

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Adding another state into the debate on public workers, West Virginia's Herald-Dispatch reports:

West Virginia's public employees would reap pay raises averaging 2 percent this year, with a second year of increases promised to teachers and school workers, under a proposal advanced Wednesday to the state Senate by the House.

But the 78-22 vote reflected GOP-led concerns that increasing state spending threatens a stable budgetary picture that has so far allowed West Virginia to avoid deficits and the painful choices they can force. Foes also contrasted the pay hikes with the state's continuing unemployment woes.

Full story here.

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More details have surfaced on Ohio's controversial SB 5, which just passed the state senate.

WSJ reports:

Senate Bill 5 would prohibit public-employee unions representing teachers, librarians, toll collectors and others from bargaining over health benefits, pensions and working conditions. Under the bill, unions could still negotiate wages, but striking would be prohibited for all public workers, taking away a major bargaining chip. Workers could face a fine of up to $1,000, or 30 days in jail, if they go on strike.

A Twitter campaign, #standupOH, has already mounted. As user @escapetochengdu tweeted, "The bill that just passed Ohio Senate allows the government to jail striking librarians for 30 days. Despicable."

Read the whole Wall Street Journal story here.

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The bill put forth by an Ohio panel earlier today has passed the state senate, TPM reports:

The Ohio State Senate just passed the controversial SB 5, aimed a limiting unionized state employees' ability to collectively bargain or go on strike.

In an indication of how divisive the legislation is in the Buckeye State, the final vote in the Senate was 17-16.

Gov. John Kasich (R) has endorsed the measure and is expected to sign it when it reaches his desk.

Full story here.

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A tourism campaign leveraging the Wisconsin senators who fled to Rockford, Illinois has gone viral. The push, "Hide Away In Rockford," hawks "collectively bargained" rates to some of the town's best tourist attractions.

“Unlike Wisconsin’s state senators, this video isn’t low key; it’s been a real runaway hit," said Rockford Area Convention & Visitors Bureau (RACVB) President/CEO John Groh of the campaign's success.

Watch the promotional video here.

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HuffPost's resident pollster Mark Blumenthal reports:

WASHINGTON -- A automated telephone poll conducted this week in Wisconsin by the Democratic-affiliated firm Public Policy Polling (PPP) largely confirms other recent polls showing public support for collective bargaining rights for unions and, by a narrow margin, more opposition than support for the agenda of Gov. Scott Walker (R). Some caution is in order, however, about several vote preference questions included in the same survey.

Despite the ongoing coverage and national interest in the controversy, all of the opinion surveys taken within Wisconsin so far have had sponsors with partisan ties, and each has taken a different approach to the questions asked. Where their questions have been similar, however, we can begin to compare the results.

Read more here.

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HuffPost's Amanda Terkel and Sam Stein report:

WASHINGTON -- Wisconsin's Republican state senators are attempting to commandeer the staffs of the 14 Democrats who have been camped out in nearby Illinois for nearly two weeks, the latest effort to convince their colleagues to return and move forward on Gov. Scott Walker's controversial budget repair bill.

A resolution proposed on Wednesday would allow Wisconsin Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R) to "assign supervision over any employee appointed by a Senator who is absent without leave for 2 or more session days." The absent senator would retain control of the office's data, however, presumably meaning that Republican senators would not be allowed to access the Democrats' electronic or paper files.

The measure is almost certain to pass, as the state Committee on Senate Organization, which has jurisdiction over such measures, is composedd of three Republicans and two Democrats. Fitzgerald's office could not be reached for comment.

Read the rest here.

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HuffPost's Sam Stein reports:

WASHINGTON -- The Wisconsin Democratic Party has launched a fundraising campaign to recall state Senate Republicans who have supported the budget bill by Gov. Scott Walker (R) that would strip collective bargaining rights from the state's public employee unions.

Read the whole story, and see the email they sent out, here.

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Reuters reports that a panel of state senators in Ohio has voted to strip unions of some collective bargaining rights as well as the right to strike:

The Senate Labor Committee vote was 7-5, with one Republican and four Democrats voting against. The measure now moves to the Republican-controlled state Senate, which could approve it as early as Wednesday.

If endorsed by the state legislature and signed by Republican Governor John Kasich, Ohio would become the biggest state so far to enact sweeping restrictions on public sector unions.

Full story here.

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Wisconsin state GOP senators voted to fine their absent colleagues $100 per day they stay away, the Wisconsin State Journal reports:

Senate Republicans stepped up their efforts Wednesday to compel the 14 Senate Democrats who fled Wisconsin two weeks ago to come home.

The Senate voted to impose a $100 per day fee for any senator who is absent without leave for two or more session days. Republicans remaining in the Senate approved the daily fine resolution with none of the Democrats present.

Full story here.

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Wisconsin State Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald spoke with CNN's Eliot Spitzer, during which Spitzer asked him if it was fair to cut both education funding and taxes for the wealthy.

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HuffPost's Sam Stein reports that $30,000 was raised online in first two hours for new PCCC/DFA ad hitting Scott Walker and Republicans in Wisconsin. By the three-hour mark, the amount had risen to $50,000.

See ad and fundraising here.

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HuffPost's Nick Wing looks at the myriad advertisements that have emerged on Wisconsin airwaves since the protests began:

Tensions between Wisconsin public employees and Republican Gov. Scott Walker have led to the beginning of an advertising war marked by a volley of commercials coming from a variety of sources.

The first salvo was launched last week by a third-party group, the Koch-backed conservative organization Americans for Prosperity. Entitled "Stand with Scott Walker," the commercial commends the governor for purportedly taking the necessary steps to address the state's budget shortfalls, actions that would force public employees to pay a larger share of their pensions and health care benefits, as well as limit collective bargaining rights of the state's unions. It also directs blame at President Obama for supposedly helping to organize the massive protests, which the ad argues don't represent the will of Wisconsin voters.

Read more and watch the commercials here.

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The Progressive Change Campaign Committee is out with a new ad in Wisconsin that features protesters in Madison describing how Gov. Scott Walker's budget will affect them. Scroll down for video, via Greg Sargent.

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More details on Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's press conference today, AP reports:

After focusing for weeks on his proposal to strip public employees of collective bargaining rights, Gov. Scott Walker on Tuesday presented his full budget – a plan that cuts $1.5 billion in aid to public schools and local government but avoids any tax or fee increases, furloughs or widespread layoffs.

Walker said the cuts could be paid for in large part by forcing government employees to pay more for their pension and health care benefits. And the governor whose cost-cutting ideas have stirred a national debate over public-sector unions gave no indication he would soften his demand to reduce their power at the negotiating table.

Full story here.

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HuffPost blogger Tom Hayes examines the situation in Wisconsin in the context of social networking:

If anyone in the world should be paying close attention to the grassroots political unrest in the Middle East, it is Big Business and Big Labor in America. The rise of self-organized groups of people toppling once-entrenched regimes is a harbinger of things to come here in the U.S. too.

For now, traditional battle lines are more immediate. In Wisconsin, Governor Scott Walker's attempt to break the public employee union there is being characterized by some as a last gasp test for Labor. It is not. The fate of big unions has already been cast. Like record stores and time-bound television, the labor union as an organizing device has outlived its usefulness: people simply don't need intermediaries to organize them into groups anymore.

Read the whole post here.

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Wisconsin state representative Michelle Litjens (R), who was allegedly told she was "f---ing dead" by fellow representative Gordon Hintz for voting in favor of the budget bill, discussed the scuffle with Laura Ingraham on her radio show. (Hintz has since apologized for his "outburst," and Litjens says she accepts the apology.)

LISTEN (via Mediaite):

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Governor Walker just asserted his budget repair bill will save the state $1.5 billion. He says if the senate Democrats come home, local governments will gain $150 million in additional revenues.

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Governor Walker is calling for Wisconsinites to come together to "make tough decisions," asking for a commitment to the "future" so "our children don't face even more dire consequences." He asserts that his budget bill will make Wisconsin work for the people again.

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Scott Walker has just said the "people of Wisconsin" are his most important priority, to applause. He asks his constituents to be "mindful of differences" in opinion, and applauds the state assembly for "not losing sight" of their goals and passing the budget bill.

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Governor Scott Walker is currently holding a press conference to discuss his proposed cuts to the state budget. Updates to come. Watch live video here.

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Wisconsin TV producer Jen Ayers just tweeted:

Snipers on the roof of buildings near the capitol... wowsers.

More to come...

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Democrats have raised the possibility of pushing a recall campaign against Republican state senators in Wisconsin who vote to strip the collective bargaining rights of public employees. On the other side, Republicans have talked about recalling some of the Democratic senators who left the state.

Now on the liberal blog DailyKos, Chris Bowers writes that Democrats who strike a compromise to take away collective bargaining rights should also expect to face progressive heat:

If this bill passes with the provisions stripping collective bargaining rights, then anyone who votes for it should expect to face a broadly based recall effort that we will support here at Daily Kos. Further, the Democratic senators who break first and let collective bargaining rights be stripped by returning to the state should not necessarily consider themselves exempt from such a campaign. This is an existential fight for workers' rights, and as such it must be fought with every legal means available.

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The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports that Brewers infielder Craig Counsell supports the efforts of Wisconsin's union workers.

He said in a statement:

“As a Major League baseball player for the Milwaukee Brewers who works in Wisconsin under a union contract and whose right to bargain collectively is guaranteed under federal law, I support the thousands of public sector employees who are threatened with the loss of that right under recently-proposed state legislation. These employees are real people with real families whose livelihoods, careers and futures are being jeopardized. I urge the government of Wisconsin not to take away this most basic of union and human rights.”

More here.

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anachoret
Bake the hall in the candle of her brain
12:37 AM on 03/02/2011
A Teabagger, Union Member and a CEO are sitting at a table with a dozen cookies. The CEO immediately takes 11 cookies for himself. The CEO then turns to the teabagger and says, “Watch out for that union guy he wants part of your cookie.”
05:52 PM on 02/25/2011
Next, water cannon?

The union-busting bill that Republicans have rammed through the lower house of the Wisconsin Legislature takes away collective bargaining rights from all public employees with local police, firefighters and state troopers being exempted by law.

However, more silently and like Kadafi the empowered man at the top will need to make certain that all of his Exempt Guard is unswervingly loyal---it should not take long to cull out any misfits and troublemakers. Some state police, who must be assumed to be loyalist to the ruling regime, were sent out in the deep of night to homes of opposition members with orders to compel them to come in.

As for the rabble in the street, will funds be found to arm the firefighters with water cannons?
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Brant Kelsey
advocate of a peaceful coup de tat.......
04:14 PM on 02/23/2011
Self-deigned autocrats, oligarchs, with self-serving agendas do not/will not Back down: They will need to be Beaten Down: Pure and Simple. It has been thus since the beginning and there is surely no indication it is less true now. The Labor Struggle is/was built on the backs of brave men and women: beaten, murdered, imprisoned and disenfranchised. This is the History of what apparently is now taken for granted, unappreciated, and now so Cavalierly dismissed. This is not a new cycle. Unions were the earliest PAC's. This is not a new phenomena. In post mid-evil France it was a criminal offense to not be a member of the "button makers union". To manufacture and sell buttons without sanction of the Union/government could result in offenders being "broken at the wheel". Government Policies, NAFTA, for example, have encouraged a conduit and implicit Sanction of the Unseen Government, Corporations, for the expropriation of Jobs. Eleven years of Tax Breaks, for the Wealthiest amongst us, in the hopes of THEM reinvesting in Home Grown Employment is little more than that a Hope. THEY have realized obscene profits of Historical proportions: Translated into more liquidity and Capital to bolster THEIR forays into Foreign Markets. This is no Hypothetical This is the 21st Century business model. No domestic Growth, No Jobs. Sadly, all that we witness in Wisconsin is further evidence of a push to render the middle class extinct, and relegate North America to Third World Status.
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Brant Kelsey
advocate of a peaceful coup de tat.......
03:27 PM on 02/23/2011
My last word on this: It's Pretty Much all been said. Public sector unions have capitulated. Therefore the legitimacy, spurious, as it may be, in terms of "balancing the budget" has been met. Though, even this problem, is State generated. In that they have failed to Manage the Peoples Money. The Granting by Walker of 147 million in tax breaks to at the onset of his tenancy as Governor, of course is at the Heart of the trumpeted Crisis.
Be that as it may, this drama would be reconciled without the demand that Workers forfeit Collective Bargaining Rights. The Irony of the Government induced deficit resulting from State mismanagement: and the onus returned to the people to correct that mismanagement surely is not lost on me. So the Conundrum, regarding collective bargaining, as I see it is Thus: Collective Bargaining require Elected Officials to sit down at the negotiating table with Unions. Elected officials are reluctant to bargain with fiscal integrity, as their re-election may directly hinge on whether they acquiesce to Union Demands. The DEMAND that Unions relinquish Collective Bargaining is an implicit acknowledgment by these Elected Officials they don't have the integrity to stand firm and bargain with principles that square with Fiscal responsibility; as to do so will subject them to the wrath of Unions: THE SOLUTION is an easy one. State contracts with Private Mediation/Arbitration Team to conduct Negotiations: Insulating them from direct participation. Allowing Unions to retain Collective Bargaining Rights. Game Over.
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artistdavid
The artist
08:13 PM on 02/21/2011
GOP Loves the RICH. They love them so much they gave the RICHEST OF AMERICANS....$130BILLION DOLLARS.

NOW THEY WANT TO BREAK THE BACKS OF THE MIDDLE AND POOR CLASSES SO
THEY CAN KEEP THE RICHEST 2% HAPPY. THE GOP " GONE OUT PISSING " HATE THE WORKING CLASS.
SCREW THE GOP and all their supporters. STAND UP TO THE LYING GOP.
09:23 PM on 02/22/2011
Stop shouting! It's a subject of great importance, and I happen to agree with you, but that's no reason to lose your manners. If you want to shout, do it outdoors!
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indjoe
Keep our Constitution; Do not mix church & State
03:08 PM on 02/21/2011
WELL NOW THAT IT ALL COMING OUT IN THE OPEN. THE SELLING
OF WISCONSIN GAS, COAL, AND TEMBER BEHIND CLOSED DOOR NOT TOO
THE HIGHEST BIDDER, BUT TOO MY CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS, AND
SOME FOR MY FAMLY AND FRINDS. WELL TOO THE VICTOR THE SPOILS
09:24 PM on 02/22/2011
Keep the noise down!
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indjoe
Keep our Constitution; Do not mix church & State
02:45 PM on 02/21/2011
NO BID CONTRACT, BEEN OVER WISCONSIN, SCOTT WALKER IS ABOUT TO
GIVE IT TOO YOU BIG TIME . SO NOW WE NO IT NOT ABOUT THE TEACHERS
ITS ABOUT WHAT HE AND HIS CRONEY CAN STEAL FROM THE STATE.
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Captain Hindsight
Seeking the truth is my only agenda.
10:22 AM on 02/21/2011
Wisconsin is speaking from the heart. Will the rest of America listen?
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12:38 PM on 02/21/2011
They're listening and they're trending heavily in favor of Gov. Walker. Read it and weep, fat*ass

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/02/21/poll-american-voters-support-wisconsin-republican-gov-over-unions-by-a-48-to-38-margin/
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Captain Hindsight
Seeking the truth is my only agenda.
10:16 AM on 02/21/2011
Wisconsin: From a murmur in the Heartland to the rebirth of a Nation.

We are going to get stronger!
06:38 PM on 02/20/2011
It does not appear that Governor Walker is going to back down. When will the Wisconsin lawmakers hiding in Illinois come back to the legislature? How long can they stay away? The majority of Wisconsin citizens staying at home during these protests clearly favor the Governor's platform, or he would not have been elected by the majority. The protesting crowd includes many non Wisconsin representatives sent in by various community organizers from all over. The three major networks act as if the crowd numbers somehow represent the majority opinion in Wisconsin. The election results would indicate otherwise.
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clearmoments
09:03 PM on 02/20/2011
If you think that is true, look at the voter demographics.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2010/results/polls/#WIG00p1
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/WI/G/00/epolls.0.html

You will see there is a huge change in the demographics, while the actual age demographics of WI couldn't have changed that much. For example, 86% of the voters were over 30 in 2010, compared with 73% of the voters in 2006. An apples comparison, since they were not presidential election years.

An election is not too accurate as far as a survey of opinion. This is evidenced by 10 times as many people showing up in opposition. There is no way these are all being bussed in. Those siding the with governor also bussed in supporters, and they still couldn't get more than 10 times fewer. These democrats are representing the will of the people. Plus my earlier posts demonstrate how the governor is a liar and is putting the burdens on these people without asking for sacrifice from other groups who benefited.
09:56 PM on 02/22/2011
Being conned by slogans and talking points, into voting for one particular conman, isn't the same as agreeing with him on everything. It's perfectly possible to be shocked and outraged, once you see his politics and priorities in practice. American politics are focused on the "personal qualities" and "values" of the candidates (as if you can tell from media and commercials...), and on their showcase political stands, while their real views and politics are hidden or obscured, often through lies and manipulation of truth, always through selective focus, until it's too late. Demonstrations like this, are the result of populist and dishonest campaigns, followed by the brutal and abrupt forcing of an extreme political program.

Besides which, denying citizens the right to organize, is nothing short of fascism. IMPORTANT: I'm not using the word as a slur, but as a legitimate classification of political ideology and philosophy. It's a hard fact that this (denial of organization) is the backbone of fascist ideology, the foundation that its supporting pillars stand on. When people can't organize, the political and corporate elite is free to usurp freedoms and powers that are stripped from the citizens, and set up it's own power structures instead. Robbing the people of power is a dubious policy, even if it should happen to be supported by a mindless majority. It certainly shouldn't be done without a clear and specific mandate, following an open and exhaustive public debate. Ramming it through like this doesn't qualify.
10:47 PM on 02/22/2011
Like the "open and exhaustive public debate" that Obama conducted prior to "ramming it (Obamacare) through" Congress? For goodness sake, many in the Congress admitted they did not even read through the complete Obamacare legislation before blindly following the then Democrat majority. If Walker is successful in Wisconsin, the floodgates will be open in other states run by governors who have had success in the private sector prior to running for public office.
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05:28 PM on 02/20/2011
Something that keeps me wondering about what is going on in Wisconsin is the news coverage by the big networks. It seem like they are more willing to inform about the revolution in the Middle East than the manifestations on Wisconsin. I wonder what has to be done to get their attention.
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tresluv
06:36 PM on 02/20/2011
Try MSNBC. Nor sure about their weekend coverage, but they were the place to go for coverage through Friday, plus a special Saturday addition of The Ed Show.
There's been good coverage from Rachel Maddow, Lawrence O'Donnell and Ed Shultz in particular, has vowed that this will be the focus of his show for as long as it's going on.
09:44 AM on 02/21/2011
BIG NETWORKS= ABC, NBC & CBS
CornellDublier
Historical facts are tuff on Republican­s.”
04:45 PM on 02/20/2011
25,000 comments and counting gotta love it
02:39 PM on 02/20/2011
Interesting video on the Wisconsin situation - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNlKsnX3yj8&feature=player_embedded#at=76
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bassface49
2010 NEVER AGAIN! VOTE WITH A FRIEND!!
01:29 PM on 02/20/2011
IF the GOP gets their way and 'breaks' the Unions, they are going to be setting their sites on the next group that needs 'breaking'.
Who is that going to be?
I work with a 'conservative' teacher who had a Reagan 'shrine' on his desk who is nothing but a 'freeloader' today, according to the GOP. I asked him if he thought he was paid TOO much, as a teacher, and his answer was 'NO",
I said your Party does.
BUT
WHO is in that 'next' group to be targeted by the 'white patriarchy' that RUNS the GOP.
How far down the LIST is YOUR 'group'?
02:23 PM on 02/20/2011
You can't possibly think that any employee would say that they are paid too much!

The next GROUP on the List are Senate Democrats and Obama, then Liberal Professors and Teachers, etc.

We've already WON against the Liberal Media.

Anymore questions?
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bassface49
2010 NEVER AGAIN! VOTE WITH A FRIEND!!
03:42 PM on 02/20/2011
Why do you cons hate the American Middle Class?
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johngary66
Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
09:54 AM on 02/21/2011
Yes Many Times, most people posting online who Capitalize words were trained by interest groups and are paid posters. Does that include you, or do you just think it improves your prose somehow? Second,do you realize it is irritating and probably detracts from the point you want to make?.
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PC Contrarian
Political Correctnes­s is the opiate of the left.
12:48 PM on 02/20/2011
I've seen remarks about how many are in Madison protesting,
as if that was proof of the righteousness of the union cause.
Of the 60,000 demonstrating, how many are from WI?

The Obama arm of the Dems and unions from outside the state are there; no surprise.
So the local number is likely well under 50,000; maybe as low as 40,000.
Of those the number of state employees present maybe 20 - 30,000.
Given that 300,000 state employees turned up to work, that's not all that impressive.

Now consider that the total population in WI is 5,686,986;
then a turn out of about 1% doesn't denote a mandate to stop this bill.
The election of Walker as Governor is an mandate to get it done.
02:24 PM on 02/20/2011
ZING! Good one!
02:31 PM on 02/20/2011
You're right, 50K, maybe 40K is not worth anything. What's wrong with wisconsinites- why aren't all 5.6M out in protest? You're so right.
And why are out of state people coming to stand in arms with their Wisconsin brothers and sisters? that's ridiculous! it's not like any other states besides Wisconsin has republican governors and congress people also pushing for the stripping of rights from public workers to collectively bargain (ie: indiana, ohio, pennsylvania, new jersey, etc).
And it doesn't matter that Walker didn't campaign on HOW he was going to attack the deficit.
It doesn't matter that Walker exempted certain public sector employees from his proposal (fire and policeman). He just targeted those groups that traditionally vote democratic.
So no reason for anyone outside of Wisconsin to come in and fight arm in arm with them for their rights. let people fight their own fights- no outside help from anyone who believes as they do, who fear they might be next in line to have rights stripped.

Your arguments make a TON of sense.
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09:51 PM on 02/20/2011
Thank you.
That's why Wisconsin has not only a GOP Gov., but a GOP majority legislature;
which is also why this bill will pass, eventually.
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12:33 PM on 02/21/2011
"Why are out of state people coming to stand in arms with their Wisconsin brothers and sisters?"

Maybe because they are tired of being screwed by union crooks and tpublic employees who forget that they work for the taxpayer and not the other way around. I'm sure those hard working families with children who have been displaced because of the illegal teacher strikes are are not too happy either.