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Wisconsin Standoff: Rasmussen's Leading Questions

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First Posted: 02/21/11 06:24 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Amid the ongoing protests and legislative standoff in Wisconsin, a new automated Rasmussen Reports survey purports to show more Americans backing Republican Gov. Scott Walker than the public employee unions. Additional national survey data is not yet available on this issue, but there are good reasons to be skeptical of the Rasmussen poll, which in this case appears to lead respondents to a desired result.

Any pollster attempting to measure reactions to a public policy debate faces a big challenge in the large number of Americans who will know little or nothing about an issue. Some will have well-formed attitudes to share, others will be less familiar and will form opinions on the spot in response to the text of the questions presented.

In this case, Rasmussen begins by asking respondents how closely they have been following the Wisconsin controversy and reports that 37 percent say they are following the story very closely and a total of 67 percent at least somewhat closely. Presumably the remaining third say they are following the story not closely or not at all (based on how Rasmussen has asked about news stories in the past). How those not following the story closely react to the language of the questions that follow is critical.

Here is what Rasmussen asked, in order, on their automated telephone survey of 1,000 likely voters nationwide conducted this past Friday and Saturday:

1* How closely have you followed news reports about the Wisconsin governor's effort to limit collective bargaining rights for most state employees?

2* Does the average public employee in your state earn more than the average private sector worker in your state, less than the average private sector worker in your state or do they earn about the same amount?

3* Should teachers, firemen and policemen be allowed to go on strike?

4* In the dispute between the governor and the union workers, do you agree more with the governor or the union for teachers and other state employees?

5* Would you favor or oppose reducing your state government payroll 1% a year for 10 years, either by reducing the number of state employees or by cutting the pay of state workers?

The question of greatest interest is the fourth, which finds 48 percent siding with Walker, 38 percent with the public employee unions and 14 percent undecided. But consider the context set by the questions that come first.

Rasmussen does begin by describing the issue as involving "the Wisconsin governor's effort to limit collective bargaining rights for most state employees." But that verbiage assumes that respondents are familiar with the term "collective bargaining rights." The Rasmussen survey then asks two questions that prime messages frequently offered by Walker's supporters: The supposed earning disparity between public and private sector employees and the specter of teachers and fire and police personnel going out on strike.

The issue is not that they asked about salary disparities or striking by teachers or police or firefighters, but that they asked those questions before the more general probe of whether respondents side with Walker or the unions. The more typical approach would involve asking a more general version of question one ("how closely have you been following the dispute between the Governor of Wisconsin and the public employee unions in Wisconsin?") and then go immediately to something like question four.

Without a side-by-side experiment, we cannot know for certain that the context set by the order of Rasmussen's questions helped push some respondents, especially those who know little about the issue, toward support of Gov. Walker's position. But consult one of the most widely used textbooks on survey methodology (p. 232) and the guidance is clear: "When asking general and specific questions about a topic, ask the general questions first." Rasmussen ignored that standard practice in this case.

Compare the information provided by the Rasmussen question with another robo-survey conducted in Wisconsin last week by WeAskAmerica, a for-profit subsidiary of the Illinois Manufacturers' Association (an organization that has endorsed Republican candidates for state office).

WeAskAmerica used their automated methodology to ask the following question of 2,397 registered voters they were able to reach an interview using and automated telephone methodology this past Thursday:

As you may know, Gov. Scott Walker has proposed a plan to limit the pay of government workers and teachers, increase their share of the cost of benefits, and strip some public-employ unions of much of their power. We'd like to know if APPROVE or DISAPPROVE of Gov. Walker's plan.

They found 43 percent of the Wisconsin voters interviewed approve of the plan, 52 percent disapprove and 5 percent are uncertain.

WeAskAmerica informs respondents that Walker's plan would "limit the pay of government workers and teachers" and "increase their share of the cost of benefits." The Rasmussen questionnaire says nothing about Walker's proposed pay cuts and benefit changes.

WeAskAmerica tells respondents in plain language that the Walker plan would "strip some public employee unions of much of their power," while Rasmussen uses more technocratic terms, though earlier in the survey.

For this sort of issue, no single question is perfect. The odds are good that further national surveys will produce a range of responses that will vary depending on what aspects of the controversy the pollsters choose to describe. Rasmussen's habit of reporting only the views of "likely voters," whose demographics and political leanings are never disclosed, may also make these results differ from others to follow that will mostly sample all adults.

We will eventually have more probes of public opinion on this issue to consider, but for now, Rasmussen's results raise more questions than they answer.

P.S. The British sitcom "Yes, Prime Minister" offers a more concise, satirical description of this style of survey design:

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WASHINGTON -- Amid the ongoing protests and legislative standoff in Wisconsin, a new automated Rasmussen Reports survey purports to show more Americans backing Republican Gov. Scott Walker than the pu...
WASHINGTON -- Amid the ongoing protests and legislative standoff in Wisconsin, a new automated Rasmussen Reports survey purports to show more Americans backing Republican Gov. Scott Walker than the pu...
 
 
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01:28 PM on 02/26/2011
for years rassmussen has been an oulier. they always skew republican. look at theirpoll of healthcare repeal. it heavily favors repeal. this is just not so. it is very close in reality. rassmussen is a complete sham. period.
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bascombe
Send the kids off to die, bleed their country dry.
09:03 PM on 02/22/2011
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/22/nyt-calls-out-rasmussen-for-conservative-bias-in-wisconsin-poll/

even the warmongering nytimes is calling them out
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
07:44 PM on 02/22/2011
The IMPORTANT poll in Wisconsin was last November where the Republicans in fact ran on the agenda they are trying to legislate. If democrats were too lazy to show up at the polls and vote, whose problem is that.
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bascombe
Send the kids off to die, bleed their country dry.
09:05 PM on 02/22/2011
ask Obama. he's acting like the democrats don't have an agenda of their own and he's following the (r)epugnant's agenda.
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montestruc
War is the health of the state--Randolph Bourne
10:52 AM on 02/23/2011
Naa, he may be trying to make kissy face with old guard republicans, but that will not work with the tea party. What he is trying to do is position himself to appear to be in the midde so he can get reelected.

He is doing it badly and alienating his support base, odds are strong against him being reelected in 2012 IMHO. If unemployment is still pretty high in late October 2012 I think you can write him off as a one-term president.
02:41 PM on 02/23/2011
I looked at his campaign promises. I didn't see several things that are in this bill. Where is the QEO and limit of 3.8% in raises? When did he say he was going to privatize through no-bid contracts the heating and cooling plants? Maybe he said this, I didn't find it. Please provide a link as you, as you imply, "in fact" seem to have this information at hand. Thanks.
01:30 PM on 02/26/2011
he also didn't say he would bust the unions.
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anywaylm
03:42 PM on 02/22/2011
Faux pollster and Faux News and Faux information all the way around. Pretty indicative of the repubs...huh?
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CornellDublier
Historical facts are tuff on Republican­s.”
03:34 PM on 02/22/2011
Isn't this the pollster bank rolled by the Koch Brothers?
02:33 PM on 02/23/2011
Who bankrolls the AFLCIO... can we take a few guesses???? And the bias is where exactly.
02:46 PM on 02/22/2011
" Rasmussen's habit of reporting only the views of "likely voters," whose demographics and political leanings are never disclosed, may also make these results differ from others to follow that will mostly sample all adults."
Secret skewing of the results, that always produce a result that benefits the right? Shouldn't THAT have been the headline? Why are we spending page space on them again?
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rascalofearth
02:36 PM on 02/22/2011
I have experienced the rasmussen robo poll. the questions grow progressively more obnoxious until only those that lean the way they want the result can bear to carry on. in my case a poll about healthcare reform required you to answer a question about church attendance....zero was not an option...so to complete the poll you had to say you attended. so by the time the questions got to HC they had a sufficiently gop leaning sample.
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wrightj
03:18 PM on 02/22/2011
Skewed poling is worthless poling. I too have come across the religous questions and you can tell the poling ir skewed for thos on the far right. If the religious right only know they were the rebellion or apostacy spoken of in 2 Thesselonians . They believed the GOP lie and they will reap their just reward.
01:16 PM on 02/22/2011
Counter to the dishonestly constructed Rasmussen poll:

"Greenberg Quinlan Rosner poll: The survey asked: “If state workers agree to pay more for healthcare and retirement as the Governor has asked, do you think they should also have their collective bargaining rights taken away?” Just 21 percent said of respondents said yes, while 74 percent said no. Walker has said he’s not prepared to cut a deal to preserve collective bargaining. The survey was taken in two increments, one testing 604 likely voters from Feb. 16-20 and the other testing 402 likely voters from Feb. 19-20."
12:46 PM on 02/22/2011
Is it "busting unions" to allow union members to vote to continue to be members? Is it "busting republics" to allow citizens to vote for representatives?
01:56 PM on 02/22/2011
Clearly, you don't have a handle on the issues at stake here.
02:46 PM on 02/22/2011
I am your grasshopper, sensei.
01:33 PM on 02/26/2011
they are not asking that. walker said he would not allow collective bargaining. that's not voting.
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seeksthetruth
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12:20 PM on 02/22/2011
Boycott Koch Industries:

http://wor­ldofkoch.c­om/
12:49 PM on 02/22/2011
The Brothers Koch were actually responsible for the Black Plague, The Great Depression, and worst of all hair bands.
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Ngonyama
Major prolation, perfect mode
01:08 PM on 02/22/2011
I'm glad you realize that.
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Dave F
Former Republican. Liberal = liberty.
02:38 PM on 02/22/2011
I have to admit, there's something satisfying about knowing that the Angel Soft and Quilted Northern brands are Koch Brothers brands. I realize it's giving them money, but at the same time, nice to know that what I'm doing with their product is pretty much what I think of them.

@55w!pes.
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macrose83
We the People, Not Business
11:18 AM on 02/22/2011
I see this Walker Guy lie with a calm straight face. It is so scary. He can justify making poor people pay for the rich and all of these people are like yeah take that unions. How stupid do you have to be to not see this for what it is. He wants to destroy the unions. He already tried it once by firing union security gards in Milwalkee and hired the private secruity firm which consisted of a criminal who had been to jail to head the job. He robs from the poor to put more money in the pockets of the rich. What will it take for you people to wake up and smell the coffee. A civil war?
10:46 AM on 02/22/2011
Pure Republican P R O P O G A N D A
10:42 AM on 02/22/2011
Why question one poll and not the other? Like I am going to believe the unions poll??
janereally
My micro bio is empty.
11:09 AM on 02/22/2011
of course not, you are only going to believe that which reinforces your existing world view. Already decided no doubt.
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JoeTroll
Prove your own claims. I'm not your intern.
12:30 PM on 02/22/2011
The article about the union poll DOES question it. Perhaps you didn't read the entire thing?

"Again, both surveys were sponsored by the AFL-CIO. As with any survey with partisan sponsorship, skepticism is in order. Data may have been released selectively, with less favorable results withheld. In the context of pre-election polling, partisan polls tend to skew in favor their sponsor by an average 3 percentage points and against their opponent by roughly the same amount.

In this case, however, the ratings of Walker and his budget and collective bargaining proposal are roughly comparable to an automated survey conducted in Wisconsin last week by WeAskAmerica, a for-profit subsidiary of Illinois Manufacturer's Association (an organization that has endorsed Republican candidates for state office in Illinois)."
10:25 AM on 02/22/2011
I'm sorry, but it makes no difference what the rest of the country thinks about Walker and the unions. I live out of state, and follow this story daily. But what matters is the people of Wisconsin and the tyrannical Republicans that have sadly been voted for (and hopefully recalled) by the people of Wisconsin.
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JoeTroll
Prove your own claims. I'm not your intern.
11:17 AM on 02/22/2011
This issue is already leaving Wisconsin for other states with Republican leadership. This is the nation's issue now.
12:52 PM on 02/22/2011
By issue I assume you mean "something to talk about until something more interesting comes along." You can't mean that you think citizens of some state other than Wisconsin should have a legal say in this.
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Gperky
Born with a Plan
11:48 AM on 02/22/2011
Why do you say Tyrannical Republicans? They are doing what they are supposed to do and that is balance the budget. They are not just cutting unions, but accross the board. The problem is that the unions have a welfare mentality.
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JoeTroll
Prove your own claims. I'm not your intern.
12:32 PM on 02/22/2011
The union has already offered to take the pay cuts. The changes that the Republicans want to make in the unions themselves won't affect the budget.
01:21 PM on 02/22/2011
Please stop with the mindless generalities. The repubs are trying to balance the budget on the backs for the middle class, and anything they can do to destroy opposition is just fine with them. All about jobs? The very first thing they insisted on after the last election, before they would even discuss anything, was insist on giving the richest 1% of Americans billions. None of which was paid for. Balance the budget? This is all about money all right, money for the rich.