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Obama Administration Asks Court To Uphold DADT -- For Now


First Posted: 02/25/11 11:00 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

The Obama Justice Department, which decided this week not to stick up for the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act any longer, isn't ready yet to entirely abandon Don't Ask Don't Tell, the other major law currently limiting gay rights.

Justice Department lawyers on Friday afternoon filed a brief with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals defending DADT against a legal challenge.

But the argument was largely on the grounds that a process to repeal DADT is already under way.

Rather than defend the law itself as constitutional, the department instead asserted that Congress acted constitutionally in December, when it decided to leave the policy in place even as the Pentagon prepares to abandon it. "[E]nacting this orderly process was well within Congress's considerable constitutional authority in crafting legislation concerning military affairs," the department said in its brief.

It was far from the same sort of clarion call against anti-gay discrimination issued on Wednesday. Then, the Obama administration dramatically reversed itself by announcing it had decided that DOMA, which bans federal recognition of same-sex marriages, isn't just bad policy, it's outright unconstitutional.

But the White House just wasn't willing to say the same about banning openly gay men and women from serving in the military.

Asked what differentiated the DOMA and the DADT decisions, a Justice Department spokesperson told HuffPost that "the constitutionality of DADT must be viewed in light of the special deference courts grant to the military."

In that context, the spokesperson said, the administration's conviction that laws regarding sexual orientation should be subject to a particularly rigorous legal standard still "does not therefore mean that DADT is unconstitutional."

Despite the big congressional vote in December to repeal DADT, the law is actually still in effect. The repeal legislation doesn't stop its implementation until 60 days after top Pentagon brass say they're ready -- and the brass say they're still working on it, and it could take a few more months.

Friday's brief came in response to a lawsuit from the Log Cabin Republicans that predates the repeal legislation.

In October, a federal judge in California, Virginia Phillips, ruled in favor of the gay Republican group and ordered the military to immediately stop enforcing the ban. But about a week later, a panel of the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals stayed her injunction.

After Obama signed the repeal legislation, the DOJ asked the Ninth Circuit to hold off on the appeal, but the Log Cabin group argued that since the ban was still in effect, the suit should go on. The court agreed, and ordered the government to submit a brief by close of business Friday, explaining why the lower court's verdict should be overturned.

R. Clarke Cooper, the executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans, said Friday night that he was "disappointed and dumbfounded" by the Justice Department's insistence on pursuing its argument. "The fact that this is even alive in the courts at all is really a point of confusion for many of my peers," said Cooper, who is also a captain in the Army Reserve.

Even as the Justice Department keeps fighting, over at the Pentagon "the secretary of defense level all the way down is not only preparing but actually implementing" what's being called "open service" and "open recruitment," Cooper told HuffPost. "They're moving in a very expeditious fashion to get this done, and that is good news."

"The appeal is still alive and kicking because Don't Ask Don't Tell is still the law of the land," said Dan Woods, a lawyer representing the Log Cabin Republicans.

"On behalf of our client, we suggested to the government that we would be willing to stay the appeal on one condition: that the government agree not to discharge any service member under Don't Ask Don't Tell in the meantime," Woods told HuffPost. "And the government refused."

Woods said the Pentagon "is continuing to investigate and process discharges under Don't Ask Don't Tell."

The DOJ lawyers filed their brief Friday even though President Obama, speaking directly to gay service members when he signed the repeal legislation, hailed that December day as marking "the end of a particular struggle that has lasted almost two decades."

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters Friday afternoon, before the filing, that DOJ's view is "that the courts should not decide the case or the constitutional question, due to the pending repeal, which should be effective in a matter of months."

He added: "The repeal is proceeding smoothly and efficiently. Our goal was to have it repealed. It has been repealed. And that process of the repeal is now proceeding efficiently and smoothly, which is a good thing."

Asked by a reporter for gay Washington D.C. magazine Metro Weekly if, in light of his DOMA announcement, Obama had made any similar determination regarding DADT, Carney replied: "Not that I know of, no."

Ty Cobb, legislative counsel for the Human Rights Campaign, said his group was hoping the Justice Department would stop arguing on DADT's behalf. "We've been asking for the administration to stop defending the constitutionality of Don't Ask Don't Tell since this litigation began," he said. "We continue to believe that it's an unconstitutional law."

In December, Obama's message was of redemption "We are not a nation that says, 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell.'" He said. "We are a nation that says, 'Out of many, we are one.'"

He continued: "No longer will our country be denied the service of thousands of patriotic Americans who were forced to leave the military -- regardless of their skills, no matter their bravery or their zeal, no matter their years of exemplary performance -- because they happen to be gay. No longer will tens of thousands of Americans in uniform be asked to live a lie, or look over their shoulder, in order to serve the country that they love."

But apparently it will be a little bit longer.

In a more hopeful sign, the Navy Times reported Friday that at least at sea, it'll be smooth sailing for the repeal:

All-hands training on the new rules on gays serving openly is expected to hit the fleet within two weeks as the Navy prepares to put "don't ask, don't tell" in its wake, a sea change that the Navy's top officer called "easy" in an interview Thursday with Navy Times.

And the Army announced that it is implementing a training program for soldiers worldwide.

Army Chief of Staff Gen. George W. Casey Jr. and Secretary of the Army John McHugh sent a message to soldiers this week. "We are confident that you are up to the task, and that we can implement this change in policy by relying on the leadership, professionalism, discipline and respect for each other that have characterized our service for the past 235 years and remain at the core of the United States Army," Casey and McHugh said in the message.


Sam Stein contributed to this report.


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The Obama Justice Department, which decided this week not to stick up for the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act any longer, isn't ready yet to entirely abandon Don't Ask Don't Tell, the other major law...
The Obama Justice Department, which decided this week not to stick up for the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act any longer, isn't ready yet to entirely abandon Don't Ask Don't Tell, the other major law...
 
 
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
08:01 AM on 03/08/2011
I wish I could just declare loyalty to a person or a party. Must be so much easier than actually having principles.
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10:48 AM on 03/05/2011
Obama is campaigning again: trying to make progressive voters think he's on their side while still working quietly, but relentlessly, against the changes progressives believe in.
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05:22 PM on 03/02/2011
Obama is jerking everyone around, so to speak. First he's against it, then he's for it, then he's against it, then he's for it...but you must wait...

Come on.
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10:49 AM on 03/05/2011
Don't like Obama's position on gay rights? Wait five minutes ...
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the crustybastard
I could be worse, and have been.
07:46 PM on 02/28/2011
As to the dozens of posters who insisted that the gay ban is already repealed:

"It is important to emphasize that the current policies remain in effect" for now, McHugh and Casey pointed out in the message. They said the DADT law will stay in place until 60 days after the president, secretary of Defense and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff certify that the repeal can be implemented "consistent with the standards of military readiness and effectiveness, unit cohesion, and military recruiting and retention."

They added that the repeal date will be widely publicized once it is decided.

http://www.army.mil/-news/2011/02/25/52364-preparing-for-repeal-of-dadt-brings-training-for-soldiers/
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GabeSmall
08:55 PM on 02/27/2011
The LogCabinRepublicans and GOProud troIIies are out in full force on this non-story.
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
05:08 PM on 02/27/2011
Maybe it's high time we pull a Libya by putting a wall around DC and then just go about our lives without them. They can just continue their little fantasies of supposedly knowing what's best, and we can all politely ignore them. God knows it seems we couldnt do any worse.
whitebeach
Hey, buddy, can you spare a micro-bio?
07:50 PM on 02/27/2011
Gee, wouldn't that be great if you were a gay person living in, say, Texas or Alabama or Montana?

And I'm sure all the black folks everywhere, but especially in the South, really yearn for the good old days before disgusting DC got involved in their lives.

Women too. Man, wasn't it great back when they couldn't vote and the best jobs they could hope for were schoolteacher or secretary? We sure couldn't do any worse than how Washington dealt with that situation, could we?
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SeanMartin
Everything in moderation.
04:43 AM on 02/28/2011
Given that, in all the instances you cite, DC had to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting what the Constitution actually says rather than its weird little "3/5ths" interpretations or Biblically-inspired considerations of women as property... yes, we cant do much worse.

Our goverment, throughout its history, has bungled far more than the good it's done. We have rarely known an entire decade without war. Civil rights had to be forced onto our law books by the courts. So kindly do not pretend to lecture me about the wonder that is Washington. I'm no Tea Partier, but I seriously think we may be ready for a bit of major housecleaning.
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joeyfoto
“Écraser l'infamie!”
05:06 PM on 02/27/2011
Isn't that what the president said... that he thought the repeal of DADT would be stronger and more stable if it was done by a vote in congress than if overturned by a court?

He's gotten the vote, why would he support the weaker course of action?
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tracerhaha1
It's time to end the war on (some) drugs.
05:05 PM on 02/27/2011
Who here thinks the military is going to drag its feet as long as they can when it comes to implimenting the repeal of DADT?
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newtom
eschew obfuscation
06:47 PM on 02/27/2011
It was the same when the military was racially integrated. Here's a story from Thurgood Marshall's bio on the topic:

"At the request of President Truman, Marshall traveled to the Far East in 1951 to review treatment of black soldiers under Gen. Douglas MacArthur. Marshall remembers asking MacArthur why there were no blacks in the elite group guarding the general, He was told none were qualified by their performance on the field of battle.

I said, 'Well, I just talked to a Negro yesterday, a sergeant who has killed more people with a rifle than anybody in history. And he's not qualified?' And he (MacArthur) said, 'No., I said, 'Well now, general, remember yesterday you had that big band playing at the ceremony over there?' He said, 'Yes, wasn't that wonderful?' I said, 'Yes, it's beautiful.' I said, 'Now, general, just between you and me: Goddammit, don't you tell me that there's no Negro that can play a horn.' That's when he said for me to go."

Today Marshall says the general was a racist: "What else can you say? Every other branch of the armed forces was desegregated, but he wouldn't budge. And when he left, the Amy desegregated too. Right away.""
04:04 PM on 02/27/2011
Maybe the gay soldier in one of the war areas should consider putting away his gun -- for now.
02:54 PM on 02/27/2011
Who Dadt gonna beat dem Saints?

http://markthuesen.blogspot.com/
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omobob
left coast, usa
11:35 AM on 02/27/2011
DOMA, no. DADT, yes, for now? The Administration is sending mixed messages? They both are antiquated and unconstitutional. What is the problem now?
whitebeach
Hey, buddy, can you spare a micro-bio?
07:45 PM on 02/27/2011
The problem is pretty clearly explained in the article. For one thing, DOMA has not been repealed by Congress and DADT has. But the repeal contemplates a transition stage. It's really not that difficult to grasp unless you just want to slam the most pro-gay-rights president in history.
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
07:59 AM on 03/08/2011
With our history, any president who doesn't sign laws against gay rights is the most pro-gay president in history. When the bar's on the ground, it's not so difficult to get over it.
08:18 PM on 02/27/2011
There is no problem. The law has been repealed. They are implementing that repeal as the repeal was written - which gave the Pentagon a bit of time to implement the changes. That is a GOOD thing. What you don't want to have happen & what the administration doesn't want to have happen is some messy process that gives ammo to the other side.

It really isn't difficult to understand.
11:25 AM on 02/27/2011
He's a conciliator to the establishment. It's his nature and his administration's.
04:20 PM on 02/27/2011
BS
Real CHANGE is underway.
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2011/02/navy-cno-dont-ask-is-easy-022511
Gay soldiers will be able to serve openly in two weeks.
This would NEVER have happened if McCain was in the White House.
He was the bitterest opponent of repealing DADT.
If a bill to repeal DADT had reached his desk - he would have vetoed it.
And CHANGE would NOT have happened.
08:20 PM on 02/27/2011
F & F

The reason they are doing this is to have an orderly process. It's that easy. Every manager knows that you don't just change things suddenly. When you do you get bad responses & anger. We don't need that in the military - it will be waaaaaaay better for everybody (including gay men and women in the military) to have this transition go smoothly.
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SirSlappy
My micro-bio is still empty.
10:49 AM on 02/27/2011
Watch my left hand (Obama slaps gay people wth right hand)
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Schalaine
We are women. We vote.
11:03 AM on 02/27/2011
Still better than any Republican....they slap with both hands.

By the way, I do not agree with your little cynical analysis of our President's actions.
04:40 PM on 02/27/2011
lol
Nice post.
fanned
06:29 PM on 02/27/2011
LMAO. Dang you I had water in my mouth when I read that.

Fanned for sheer hilarity and astute commentary
08:32 PM on 02/27/2011
Obama has not 'slapped' gay people at all. The military asked for some time to make changes - to be sure that the changes would go smoothly. There is nothing wrong with that. There just isn't. It's reasonable.
SirSlappy is the one doing unwarranted slapping.
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Salty too
Give me Liberty or give me death.
10:19 AM on 02/27/2011
I just don't get it. If a man or woman want to put their life on the line for their country, are we saying that gays are not moral enough to go kill?
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10:58 AM on 02/27/2011
"Not moral enough to kill"

Gold. How that phrase has escaped the debate until now I'll never know...

F/F
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Salty too
Give me Liberty or give me death.
11:24 AM on 02/27/2011
Got it from an old song called " Alice's restaurant".
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paddy523
better to be looking at it, than looking for it!
10:06 AM on 02/27/2011
they had a draft during the Vietnam war, and many fortunate sons (Rummsfeld, Cheney to name a few) were able to get deferments!!! why would it be any different today??? just asking!!!
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SirSlappy
My micro-bio is still empty.
10:49 AM on 02/27/2011
They want to keep gays AND the wealthy out. How odd.