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Raucous First Caucus For House Tea Partiers Exposes Dangerous Rifts

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First Posted: 03/01/11 02:45 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

UPDATE at 4:21 PM ET: The House has just passed a two-week funding measure to avert a government shutdown. It includes $4 billion in budget cuts for the rest of the fiscal year -- but continues to fund Obama’s healthcare law (for those two weeks). Six Republicans voted against, which means most of the Tea Party Caucus voted in favor. The Tea Partiers will presumably be furious. But there's another, much bigger battle to come -- about the funding measure that covers the rest of the fiscal year.

A boisterous first meeting of the House's Tea Party Caucus on Monday night exposed two potential rifts -- one between its members and state-level Tea Party activists, who have no appetite for compromise, and another between its members and Republican Party leaders, who will soon be asking them to do just that.

Tea Party leaders from Virginia, Florida and Pennsylvania hotly demanded that the members of the caucus not settle for anything less than defunding the Obama health care law, even on a very short-term basis, attendees told the Huffington Post. They also scoffed at the new Republican target of $61 billion in budget cuts from the rest of this fiscal year, calling it insufficient. And they made it clear Republicans who don't stand firm will face primary opponents in 2012.

"The look on the faces of the members was just unbelievable," said one attendee, who didn't want to be identified by name.

"I think those of us from the Tea Party movement were impassioned, but we weren't yelling," said one of the speakers, Jennifer Stefano, co-chair of the Loyal Opposition, a Tea Party group out of Pennsylvania. "We care deeply about what's happening," she explained. "Deeply."

Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), one of less than a dozen House freshmen to join the caucus, told The Hill that the Tea Party activists pushed members to stand firm on spending cuts and the debt limit.

"They don't want us to get pushed around, which is exactly what I believe in," he told The Hill. "You've got to stand firm or you're going to lose credibility."

But the no-deals ultimatum coming from the activists could throw a serious monkey-wrench into what appear to be fast-moving negotiations between Republican and Democratic leaders to keep the government running past March 4, when the current budget resolution expires.

The short-term compromise currently under discussion, which would last just two weeks, would cut the budget as much as Republicans want, but would do it the way Democrats want.

And despite the fact that Republicans symbolically voted to defund Obama's healthcare law last month, there is no such provision in the short-term budget resolution. That, of course, would be a deal-breaker with the Democrats who control the Senate and the White House.

The Tea Party hard-liners just don't care. "We feel Obamacare is an albatross around the neck of our country. It's going to sink us," Stefano said. "So we continue to go at it in every way possible."

Voting to fund it -- even for two weeks -- "sends the message that it's not dying," she said. "The Republicans need to understand this is a key issue."

"I think in general that the Tea Party believes that the very first thing you should do in terms of tackling the spending problem is defund Obamacare," said fellow speaker Jamie Radtke, a Tea Partier running for Virginia's U.S. Senate seat.

"If you give ground at the very beginning," she told HuffPost, "then it's hard to ever make that ground back up again."

Several members of the congressional caucus reportedly assured the activists that they would vote against any budget extension that continues to fund the healthcare law.

If all 30 or so Tea Party Caucus members balk, then House Speaker John Boehner won't be able to pass the bill with Republican votes alone.

That would leave Democrats the choice of joining Republican leadership against the Tea Party to pass the bill -- or joining the Tea Party to let it die.

All in all, it adds just one more element to the game of chicken our elected officials are playing with the U.S. government.

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) convened Monday's meeting, ostensibly to discuss the debt ceiling. The first speaker -- an unusual choice -- was budget expert Stan Collender, a public relations executive and blogger who generally espouses liberal views, and who has written extensively about how refusing to raise the debt ceiling wouldn't accomplish much of anything.

The other speakers were Stefano, Radtke, and Billie Tucker, founder of a Florida Tea Party group. Speakers stood at the front of the room facing an audience of Congress members.

"What I liked about this type of event," Stefano said, was that members of Congress were "fundamentally listening and asking questions of us as opposed to telling us."

"And then they would raise their hand, and ask a question to us," Radtke said. "It was fantastic."

Activists and members alike expressed their lack of confidence in the current Republican leadership, attendees said.

Radtke said the message from the activists was "not to capitulate. When the Republican leadership is in step, support them -- and if they're not in step, then be willing to stand on your own."

Stefano concluded: "The leadership of the Republican Party should probably come to one of these caucus meetings."


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Dan Froomkin is senior Washington correspondent for the Huffington Post. You can send him an e-mail, bookmark his page; subscribe to his RSS feed, follow him on Twitter, friend him on Facebook, and/or become a fan and get e-mail alerts when he writes.

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UPDATE at 4:21 PM ET: The House has just passed a two-week funding measure to avert a government shutdown. It includes $4 billion in budget cuts for the rest of the fiscal year -- but continues to fun...
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COMMUNITY PUNDITS
realpolitic 04:28 PM on 03/01/2011
The tea  party is really opposed to the Obama health plan.  Why are they so against an additional 40 million people having access to health insurance who did not have it before?  The Obama health plan actually reduces the deficit.  "According to the CBO, the bill will cost $940 billion over the first 10 years and reduce the deficit by $130 billion during that period. In the second 10  Read More...
12:33 AM on 03/07/2011
So how do teabaggers get around? Busses? Roads? Do they listen to radio? TV? Do they drive American cars? Do they purchase only American items? Do they refuse to go to libraries, museums, and parks? Do they forego driving across bridges? Do they pay out of pocket for everything? Do they refuse police, emt, and firefighter services? Do they refuse unemployment, social security, and Medicare?
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portabello
Some of my best friends are Truffles
08:14 PM on 03/26/2011
You know as well as I do that they sit on their couches, watching Fox news.

If the need arises they pile into the camper with their lawn chairs and crayons and go where they are told and do what they are told to do.

The questions you ask are confusing them.
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ConDsenXieN
The Right is usually wrong.
04:02 PM on 03/06/2011
Delicious. Simply delicious. Irrelevant group of whiners out of touch with reality versus irrelevant group of whiners out of touch with reality.

Here it comes...let the games begin.
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builderman55
Featherless Biped
07:19 PM on 03/05/2011
So protest big government--it could certainly be reigned in some, but be honest and attack all the systemic problems that got us I to this mess. Otherwise you have NO integrity, just a dull axe to grind...
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builderman55
Featherless Biped
10:53 AM on 03/04/2011
Though I expect it will have a bitter taste and cause significant choking on it's way down..
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builderman55
Featherless Biped
10:52 AM on 03/04/2011
And at what point will the parent have to eat its child...
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JohnBryansFontaine
Liberal Democrat
06:49 AM on 03/04/2011
American Tenants Association Slams Tea Party Comments

The American Tenants Association (ATENA), the country's only nationwide advocate for residential renters, criticized Tea Party Nation President Judson Phillips today for Mr. Phillips' recent remarks that renters shouldn't be allowed to vote.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/03/prweb5127054.htm
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mburgh
Come Back Samuel Gompers
10:01 AM on 03/04/2011
Thanks for posting that link. I guess only white slave owners will have a say in government if the T-baggers go forward. Damn, I freed my slaves last week.
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melissa halsten
Searching for answers,coming up short
03:07 AM on 03/04/2011
Is this real? Have tea party voters gained some power? How? Is this all a bad dream? They want me to do as they say,or else! What the he## is happening? The world has turned upside down! Palin and Newt! Come on I hate re-runs. Stop the madness, get out and vote next time.
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GoodDay
Here and Now
06:44 PM on 03/03/2011
At least the United States billionaires have a very strong voice in Congress with these Tea Party members. Everyone else is hurting Big Time. You would think that any billionaire with a shred of humanity would speak out against the corruption of our government by the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch.
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DougSmith
I calls it like I sees it
06:09 PM on 03/03/2011
It's amusing to watch the T-Partiers and the republicans being forced to face the reality that nothing in politics gets accomplished without compromise. They are making themselves irrelevant except to the far right extremists.
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coreypaul
Gay, Secularist, Socialist, Vegetarian, American
05:08 PM on 03/03/2011
This t-bagger loves getting money....very un-t bag like: Rick Scott Hates Health Care Reform, But Will Take The $35 Million It Provides http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/03/florida-governor-rick-scott_n_830904.html
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FACTISFACT
A war veteran. Finally retired
02:23 PM on 03/03/2011
It is not the game played by Political parties but the game is made to play by tea party and GOP politicians by a third party of whom none has the guts to open the mouth simple as that.

Look around and you all will see who all they are. Never has our country entered such a situation as it has now. Question is who are they and why now and not during Bush regime?

Why During Bush this situation was not created when it should have been fit to be created but no, answer why? Is it a sold out country, that lawmakers will not be guided by constitution that they want to be guided by they whimsical thinking for whose benefit surely not for us Americans.

Why to day we Americans are languishing in misery for the vandalism of Bush regime why is he roaming freely, Answer?. For whose security and welfare we are being harassed night and day with one plea or the other, always blaming the innocents.

We public want to know why people are so interested to play with our lives. Why Democrats are silent does that mean a silent consent to whatever the tea party and GOP want should do and continue to go ahead and nothing would be done to stop this harassment of the nation.

Political observers are of the opinion that a through inquiry be ordered to go into the whole affairs.
Perry Goodfriend
Journo/blogger with fingertips in politics
10:54 AM on 03/03/2011
The danger isn't in the rift - it's in the rifters. They don't want a government based on reason and consensus. They want to dictate how the rest of us behave. In their minds, we are all sinners, until we embrace their interpretation of the Constitution. There's no sympathy here. Only anger.
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52tucker
Captain of trashpile sleeping.
11:20 AM on 03/03/2011
Great post. F&F.
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Chaton de Malheur
History will not be kind to Conservatives
08:45 AM on 03/03/2011
The actual reason for the rift is revealed:

http://image83.webshots.com/183/6/54/26/2580654260107052983lkJiZN_ph.jpg
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Chaton de Malheur
History will not be kind to Conservatives
10:29 AM on 03/03/2011
..a working link might help, sorry!:
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04:50 PM on 03/03/2011
It's a good thing I've already eaten.
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07:40 AM on 03/03/2011
All of my European friends are absolutely appalled and awestruck seeing how gridlocked and divisive America has become. the two political parties are like a huge, noisy careening automobile crammed with opposing drivers wrestling over two steering-wheels, entirely unawares of the cliff the car is about the plunge over.
And it frightens me so much because of how closely it resembles a passage in Jeremiah 50 that I have been meditating on for years, that speaks of this end-time nation called "the Daughter of Babylon" where the governors of the nation depicted in the text are fighting against each other.
The reason given by this Prophet is that there is "A sword upon the inhabitants of Babylon, upon her princes, and upon her wise counselors.
A sword is upon the liars; and they shall act as fools; a sword is upon her mighty men; and they shall be full of confusion fearfully.
A sword is upon her horses and upon her chariots, and upon all the mingled people(immigrant nationalities) that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women; a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed.
A drought is upon her waters; and they shall be dried up: for it is a land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols."
Its enough to make one weep for America....
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Chaton de Malheur
History will not be kind to Conservatives
08:52 AM on 03/03/2011
Only one of the drivers is unaware of the impending disaster- the conservative.

8 years of peace and prosperity under Clinton (ending with a surplus).
8 years of war and reckless spending under Bush.

Liberals and progressives are exclusively qualified to run this country. Conservatives are only interested in promoting their "moral" agenda, at the expense of the economy, international diplomacy, and every personal freedom we hold dear.
10:28 AM on 03/03/2011
Seems to me if, "A sword was upon the liars" and the greedy and the prejudiced and the willfully ignorant (all huddled together in their scheme to ensure our president fails so they can defeat him in 2012) we would then know salvation.
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bola47
07:24 AM on 03/03/2011
seems like the state level tea party activists just learned a valuable lesson. no one in washington represents their constituents. they only represent their corporate paymasters.
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Chaton de Malheur
History will not be kind to Conservatives
08:55 AM on 03/03/2011
But they will resist that lesson and continue their mindless trudge right over the cliff. Let's just hope they don't bring the rest of the country down with them.
10:30 AM on 03/03/2011
"Let's just hope they don't bring the rest of the country down with them."

That antiquated train left the station at least a decade ago.