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SunChips Biodegradable Bag Made Quieter For Critics

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SARAH SKIDMORE   02/24/11 07:05 AM ET   AP

BOCA RATON, Fla. — Frito-Lay hopes to make some big noise with a quieter version of its biodegradable SunChips bag.

The company introduced a biodegradable bag for the snacks in April of 2009 with a big marketing effort to play up its environmentally friendly nature as it was made from plants and not plastic and could break down in compost.

However, customers complained the bag was too loud. The stiffer material made it give off noise of that, measured in decibels, is about as loud as a busy city street. The criticism grew so deafening that the company switched back to its original bag for most flavors in October.

"It was interesting we got a lot of extremely positive feedback ... but on the same hand we heard one overwhelming complaint," said Brad Rodgers, manager of sustainable packaging for PepsiCo advanced research.

PepsiCo Inc., which owns Frito-Lay, spent a good chunk of last year trying to find a solution.

The company found that if it used a different adhesive to put together the two layers of a bag – one which protects the food on the inside and one which carries the logo and labels on the outside – it created a sort of noise barrier.

Rodgers said engineers looked at dozens of possible options. He admitted that he was initially suspect of the theory that the razor-thin layer of adhesive would solve such a big problem. But engineers found that a more rubber-like adhesive really did absorb some of the sound.

The company's first design gave off noise that registered at roughly 80 to 85 decibels. The new design dampens the noise to around 70 decibels, on par with its original packaging and most other chip bags.

Frito-Lay's new bag is arriving in stores now. However, it will only be seen on the company's plain flavored chips, the only one of its varieties that never switched back to plastic.

The company said it will wait to hear from customers before deciding whether to use the new packaging for other flavors or products.

The snack company would not disclose how much it spent on the bag efforts.

Frito-Lay, based in Purchase, N.Y., is one of several companies trying to develop more sustainable packages. This helps companies fulfill new environmental ethos, appeal to shoppers' desire to go green and, in some cases, cut costs as they shift away from plastic that is made largely with costly oil.

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BOCA RATON, Fla. — Frito-Lay hopes to make some big noise with a quieter version of its biodegradable SunChips bag. The company introduced a biodegradable bag for the snacks in April of 2009 wi...
BOCA RATON, Fla. — Frito-Lay hopes to make some big noise with a quieter version of its biodegradable SunChips bag. The company introduced a biodegradable bag for the snacks in April of 2009 wi...
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P Markham72
06:52 AM on 03/04/2011
I wondered what happened to those loud bags. Kudo's to Frito Lay for it's efforts.
03:58 PM on 03/02/2011
People should just pour their chips into a bowl if the sound bothers them that much... it might help them realize how much they're eating too. I'm glad they are doing this!
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caroline gray
artist : ) animal lover
04:31 PM on 03/02/2011
less grease all over your hands too :)
03:01 PM on 03/02/2011
WHAT?! I COULDN'T HEAR...I WAS OPENING A BAG OF SUNCHIPS!!

Thank you for finally fixing that problem.
01:49 AM on 03/02/2011
Another reason to love the Sun Chip!
11:47 PM on 03/01/2011
Hmm... well, I guess this is a good thing, but it sort of strikes me as putting a band-aid on an amputated limb. Makes me think of this talk by Colin Beavan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAQE_WUGZrs&feature=player_embedded
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alteredstory
Hold on to the center
02:28 PM on 03/02/2011
Cumulative problems have cumulative solutions. It's a nod in the right direction, and if we reward them for it, there might be more of it.
03:33 PM on 03/02/2011
exactly...! the same can be said for baby wipes made from the same bio-polymer from www.elementsnaturals.com
MonteMadman
I just emptied my micro-bio
10:18 PM on 03/01/2011
Great Marketing PepsiCo!

Focus on the container, not the unwholesome subfood crud on the inside.

(Check out ANY 'flavors' ingredient list.)
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JennaS
Art Historian, Writer, Gallerist
07:20 PM on 03/01/2011
I could care less about the noise...as long as it is biodegradable....i am happy!
03:36 PM on 03/02/2011
Compostable

it's a bit different than biodegradable. Petroleum based plastics can biodegrade or photodegrade eventually.

Compostable is federally regulated and items labeled Compostable need to break down into a nutrient for the soil within 18 days.
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JennaS
Art Historian, Writer, Gallerist
09:16 AM on 03/03/2011
I wonder what products are sold with compostable packaging?
03:37 PM on 03/02/2011
180 days.. sorry.
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JennaS
Art Historian, Writer, Gallerist
03:54 PM on 03/02/2011
I am also curious to know...what type of biodegradable bag it is. I heard some biodegradable products need oxygen and some don't. If you through it in the trash and the bag goes in the dump, how much oxygen is the bag getting to degrade. So complicated.
05:53 PM on 03/01/2011
ummm, just turn up the Kardashians while your eating your nachos Amurka
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hagagaga
My comments are funnier than yours.
08:14 AM on 03/03/2011
Or better yet, don't.
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R U Sirius
Retired educator, trainer; writer/editor
05:36 PM on 03/01/2011
I didn't mind the noise as much as the fact that the old material didn't just seem to tear easily; it almost shattered --one pull, seven or eight separate tears.
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Punisher703
Sad But True
03:41 PM on 03/01/2011
Well at least Frito Lay is trying, unlike Del Monte:

http://gizmodo.com/#!5773345/del-monte-gives-middle-finger-to-nature-with-plastic+bagged-bananas
03:33 PM on 03/01/2011
What bothers me about PLA from a public policy standpoint is that it's more difficult to compost compared to other compostable materials, while it's easier to recycle than other "recyclable" plastics, however attempting to recycle PLA along with other plastics ruins the process.

It's a case of a good material that doesn't fit our existing waste management paradigm.

PLA cannot be composted at home using traditional methods. It requires industrial composting facilities with sophisticated process controls to break it down over a reasonable time frame. Most municipalities do not offer curb-side collection of compostable materials.

Most plastics cannot be "recycled" in the way one might imagine. In the process of melting down the plastics to make new plastic, the quality of the material is degraded to the point where the resulting plastic is only useful for things like park benches, playground equipment, and cheap toys.

This isn't really recycling. It's "downcycling".

On the other hand, PLA has the unique ability to break back down into lactic acid when exposed to a certain temperature and pressure. The lactic acid can then be reprocessed into PLA with no loss of quality and little loss of quantity.

PLA is a truly recyclable plastic. Yes, under the right conditions, it can also be composted, but the facility needed to effectively recycle the material is not much more expensive than the facility needed to effectively compost the material, and the recycled material is of much higher value than compost.

But we've already built our plastic recycling system around turning drink bottles into really bad patio furniture, and PLA can only screw that up by competing head-to-head with PET and getting mixed up in the recycling bin. So I guess we must turn packaging into fertilizer rather than new packaging.
03:01 PM on 03/01/2011
The noise never bothered me. I liked the old packaging, excited for this one. Delicious chips.
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ArnoldHorshack
This is my micro-bio. What do you think?
02:13 PM on 03/01/2011
I bought the loud ones just because they were loud
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YouKnowSteve
Proud Progressive
01:18 PM on 03/02/2011
Yes!
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cosmiCataclysm
01:48 PM on 03/01/2011
So what if it ends up floating around the ocean and lodging itself in a dolphin's throat; as long as you aren't annoyed by a noisy chip-sack while stuffing your face full of healthy crisps...
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Max Shaw
My micro-bio is no longer empty.
12:40 PM on 03/01/2011
Bout time! Tired of beng beat up at the movies! People think I have a chip addiction...