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The Lasting Impact Of Vatican II In America

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First Posted: 03/09/11 09:01 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

By Kristen Moulton
Salt Lake Tribune

SALT LAKE CITY -- Colleen McDannell knew the title of her new book, "The Spirit of Vatican II: A History of Catholic Reform in America," would be provocative.

Modernists talk of the Catholic Church not living up to "the spirit of Vatican II," while traditionalists mock the phrase as if it's a ruse for turning the council on its head.

Yet McDannell says the title was nonetheless perfect for what she wanted to do: Tell the story of how American Catholics negotiated a time of dramatic change in their church.

"There was a spirit, and it was not just a light, frivolous, hippie, mini-skirted-nun type of thing," said McDannell, a history professor at the University of Utah.

McDannell's eighth book focuses on the impact of the changes from the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) on the people who lived through it, and who still feel its ripple effects nearly 50 years later.

"Many Catholics of an age remember this time in a warm and positive way, and that legacy endures," McDannell said. "The council was, for most Catholics, a breath of fresh air."

Vatican II is considered the most pivotal church council in recent centuries, not because it declared new doctrine but because it changed the way the faith engages the modern world. It described a whole new role for lay Catholics.

The documents produced by the council to guide the church "were more poetry than law," McDannell said. "The documents were meant to be inspirational and show through language an openness."

The most visible changes concerned the liturgy: priests began facing their congregations rather than the altar during Mass, and worship was in the local vernacular rather than Latin.

Lay people began reading the Scriptures at Mass and serving Communion. Women no longer covered their hair with veils. Guitars replaced Gregorian chants, and, for a time, popular folk songs were played.

"It was a call to lay people to take a more active stance with regard to the liturgy," said Kathleen Dolphin, director of the Center for Spirituality at St. Mary's College in Indiana, who organized a 2005 conference and yearlong series to celebrate the 40th anniversary of Vatican II.

"There were some people who went overboard with making the liturgy too ordinary," Dolphin said. "Some of it was silly and some of it got kind of vapid, but ... they were putting together the airplane while in flight."

The church also began conversing with those engaged in science, government and other faith traditions.

McDannell said the effects cascaded.

"The council," she explained, "opened up a space for Catholics to think critically, intelligently, thoughtfully, thoroughly, about their religious tradition."

For regular Catholics, Dolphin said, the changes were profound.

"There has been this consistent effort to tone down what happened at the Second Vatican Council," as if it were not a major turning point, Dolphin said. "But the people in the pews would say something really happened."

McDannell tells the story through the lens of her parents, particularly her mother, Margaret.

In 1960s Los Angeles, the archbishop was in no hurry to implement Vatican II reforms. But when the family moved to Denver in 1967, they found Vatican II in full flower, with an architecturally modern church, a priest who wanted to be called by his first name and guitar Masses.

Her Republican parents found themselves in a parish with a social-justice commission that took up collections for Cesar Chavez's United Farm Workers Union and sponsored a refugee family from Vietnam.

"Although she chose not to boycott nonunion grapes and lettuce, she did begin a long relationship with an order of priests who worked among the poor in Appalachia," McDannell writes of her mother. "For Margaret and many of her generation who were critical of liberal protests, the parish served as a trusted interpreter of world culture and politics."

While it was not part of her mother's story, McDannell talks about one of the other consequences of Vatican II: the hemorrhage of American Catholics out of the church.

"It's ... indicative of Catholics thinking the church did not go far enough in making changes, in its attitude toward homosexuality, toward women in the priesthood, toward birth control," McDannell said. "For many people, they just got frustrated with that -- the promise that we moved so far but not far enough."

McDannell was one of them. She eventually stopped practicing her faith and now describes herself as a secular humanist. "Where the church seemed to be going," she said, "was not where I thought I wanted to go."

Nonetheless, she calls herself a "confusing Catholic."

The publication of her book is bittersweet, because her mother died Dec. 13, as it was going to press.

"I feel confident that I told her story in an honest and straightforward way," McDannell said. "This was not a woman who in any way was a liberal hippie, but it (Vatican II) allowed her to participate in the changes ... in that era in a way that made sense to her. For many serious Catholics, it really revitalized their relationship to their faith and the tradition itself."

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11:24 PM on 04/02/2011
I lived through the Vatican Council as a young nun. The excitement of the Council matched the excitement of the charisma of pope John the 23rd. We thought the Holy Spirit would win out in the struggles, after all, the votes read 2424 to 45, seriously. Read O'Malley's What Really Happened at Vatican 11; he is a Jesuit priest so its safe to read. But it is the truth.
Paul the 6th shocked the world when he condemned birth control thereby destroying the correction by the Council Fathers of Infallibility. They broadened it by recognizing the Collegiality of the bishops.
Here is why I'm writing. We did not leave the Church because we were disappointed that more issues weren't fix. We left and I know I can say we. Because we saw clear as a bell ringing in the Cathedrals that the pope and his cardinals and now most of the bishops are not looking to promote the gospel, they want to preserve their image of the Church. Forget Jesus.
The reaction to the sexual abuse scandal bears us out; the hierarchy wants to preserve the image of a perfect Church, run perfectly by them but they are choking it to death.
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virpilosus
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01:39 AM on 03/16/2011
The Catholic Church in the late 60's and early 70's was a place where lively discussion and theological engagement "percolated." Since then, and under Pontiffs like John Paul II, that same Church has merely "suffocated."
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09:01 AM on 03/14/2011
the idea of vatican 2 was beautiful. it does seem that some old conservatives got ahold of the church and turned back the changes as soon as they could. i'm not catholic, so i say this as an observer. i'm episcopalian, which is pretty much catholic-light. even the episcopal church is having issues with what direction to go in. i think we have to remember that the church is the people in the pews, not some old guy in rome or canterbury.
08:59 PM on 03/13/2011
"The lasting impact of Vatican II"

What happened to Nostra Aetate?
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06:08 PM on 03/12/2011
I was a young child at the time of Vatican 2, and even at that age I remember the palpable good feeling from the church's giant step forward. This new, modern view of the world was the Catholicism that was imprinted on me. The Sisters and Brothers taught me that to be Catholic was to be liberal and fiercely dedicated to social justice. Public shows of piety were looked upon with suspicion; shows of kindness and generosity, especially to the poor and disenfranchises, were celebrated. That's the way this Catholic schoolboy saw it anyway.

Then JP2 came along and closed the windows and turned out the lights. The church's retreat to the Dark Ages doused any fondness I'd kept for my Catholic school days. I was there when the church was its best, and I think that's why recent developments are so offensive, and why my break from the church is total, absolute, and irrevocable.
11:59 PM on 03/12/2011
You have eloquently spoken for many of us. I could not have said it better.
01:14 PM on 03/11/2011
The tension, as I see it, is between traditionalism and reason. The traditionalist wants the bright line rules of what is sin, what is not. But the scholarship dating back to Aristotle, then Augustine, and Thomas Aquinas combined with the intellectual development that began with the enlightenment demonstrated to many that the Creator endowed us with an intellect and an ability to reason and make ethical decisions. Biblical scholarship and historical research have demonstrated that the Bible is not a history book but more a record how the writers understood the will of God at the time they wrote. And these writings are almost exclusively done by old men. So many of us question a Church which doesn't use intellect to decide whether women can be priests, and whether priests can be married. Objectively, there is no reason why they can't, other than the fall back to tradition. Same with the prohibition on contraception. I'm reminded of the "Grand Inquisitor" by Dostoyevskii. The people crucified Christ a second time because he didn't offer a strict law, but only offered freedom.
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01:08 PM on 03/11/2011
Whether or not the church's intentions coming out of vatican II were good, the execution, in as old and creaky an institution as Catholicism, was bound to be as awkward as a donkey trying to dance the fandango. My mother, up to then a pious Catholic, became part of the hemorrhage. When I asked her why, she said that she didn't leave the church, the church left her.
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09:32 AM on 03/11/2011
Vatican II was intended to open the windows of the Church, allowing an exchange with the rest of the world, but never to compromise God's will for us. When the author quotes:

"It's ... indicative of Catholics thinking the church did not go far enough in making changes, in its attitude toward homosexuality, toward women in the priesthood, toward birth control," McDannell said. "For many people, they just got frustrated with that -- the promise that we moved so far but not far enough."

It is obvious that this person does not want to comply with God's will. The Bible clearly describes homosexuality as sin and Jesus did not pick ladies as Apostles. The Church's view on birth control is correct, it leads to self centered promiscuity and de-values the beauty of sex between a wife and her husband. Even if you don't like the Truth, it is still the Truth. Veritas
05:54 PM on 03/11/2011
Ahh the things people believe in their false belief of God's will.

You are so far from Jesus it's actually pathetically funny.
03:27 PM on 03/12/2011
And I should believe you over him... why?
05:56 PM on 03/11/2011
The bible says that gay sex is an abomination. Just like shellfish. It does not, however, mention lesbian sex, except one possible passage in some Pauline epistle.
10:43 PM on 03/10/2011
As others have said, it lead to ugly music, ugly architecture (read ugly as sin..some think this was deliberate), wierd services. It left untouched what needed to be reformed..the harmful, cruel rules on birth control and divorce. It took away Latin, a perfectly great language, that was read and heard by people worldwide and that did help with the church being universal. It absolutely led to people leaving the church in droves, and part of this was that now you could eat meat on Fridays..and if you could do that you could figure on doing all sorts of things that were forbidden before. It left people who had been told all their lives that there was only one true way being very confused..which is necessary if it was not the one true way. So bottom line, they should have kept the beautiful music, statues etc...changed the cruel rules concerning marriage and children..allowed the fresh air so people could have alternative services involving singing Michael Row the boat ashore etc...if they wanted them, and by vote I bet they would not have wanted them. And I was about 15 at the time the lever was pulled and it went from beautiful to ugly overnight it seemed..and could never figure out who decided on some of this nonsense. mg
04:22 PM on 03/10/2011
Aside from the abandonment of Latin at mass, the biggest impression Vatican II left on me, as a 7-year-old, was that one week, I couldn't eat hot dogs on Friday, under the penalty of eternal damnation, and the next week, I could, and God was OK with it.

My first exposure to the "mysterious ways" rationale.
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03:29 PM on 03/10/2011
One of the affects of of Vatican II and the politicization of many churches not mentioned in the article was the decline of overall church attendance. In the 1950s 70% of Catholics went to mass weekly. Now that number hovers around 17%. Many feel they have sacrificed sacred symbolism and spirituality for intellectual fluff and convenience. If it were not for immigration hundreds (if not thousands) of scores old churches would have closed their doors because of the growing inactive rates .
08:58 PM on 03/10/2011
as a catholic, i'm genuinely curious: do you think this decline in attendance is a result of Vatican II or a result of the times we live in? even religious families are generally more secularly and will opt to go skiing on sundays rather than attend mass.

(i'll be the first to admit i don't attend mass as often as i wish i did)
12:07 AM on 03/13/2011
The fornicating pedophile priests had more to do with the downfall of the Catholic Church in America than Vatican II ever did. I pray the the immigrants are not used/abused as so many in the past have been.
02:26 PM on 03/10/2011
Google one of the important documents from Vatican II, "LUMEN GENTIUM" A spiritutal work of art.

"Those who have not received the Gospel are related to the people of God. First, we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh. This people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues. Salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. Amongst these there are the Mohammedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, adore the one God. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Providence deny salvation to those who, without blame on their part, strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is seen by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel. She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life."
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01:40 PM on 03/10/2011
The last two Popes have made a concerted effort to roll back the spirit of Vatican II and to return to a more authoritarian tradition by appointing hard right Bishops and Cardinals and silencing clergy including nuns who yearn for a more open and inclusive church.
The current church is gaining influence in Africa only . European Catholics remain ambivalent about participation. Older Americans continue to plod on in supporting the church despite the scandals. Their children continue to walk away in large numbers. I think that after a two thousand year run, the Catholic Church is in serious decline.
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09:20 AM on 03/11/2011
Here in my Arch Diocese, we are seeing the youth actively involved in the Church like never before. They crave the discipline and clear guidance involved in being a committed Catholic. They understand that being Catholic in the current US is very counter cultural. We have more seminarians and deacon candidates than we have had in years. It appears that much of the Western world has fallen under satan's spell, laziness, self - love, pride, and is paying dearly for this. Veritas.
08:04 PM on 03/12/2011
I am trying to get a grassroots movement going. I am 21, and I have seen how the beauty of tried and true Catholicism changes souls and gets them on fire for the Lord. It's smart and beautiful, and I think the youth see that. All we need to do is just get the word out, and people will respond.
12:12 AM on 03/13/2011
"my arch diocese"....not ours....that is one of the BIG differences between your thinking and the spirit of Vatican II.
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12:37 PM on 03/10/2011
Vat 2 was the start of what could have been a beautiful and positive change for the RCC. It failed. Humanae Vitae put an abrupt and ugly end to it.