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Commanders Expect A 'Significant' U.S. Presence In Afghanistan For 8 To 10 More Years: Dem Rep


First Posted: 03/10/11 11:07 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:35 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Military commanders expect the United States to have a "significant presence" in Afghanistan for another eight to 10 years, according to a member of Congress who just returned from a trip to the region and has introduced legislation calling for a full accounting of the costs of the war.

Rep. Bruce Braley (D-Iowa) spent his congressional four-day weekend on a fact-finding trip to Afghanistan, meeting with Gen. David Petraeus, Amb. Karl Eikenberry and members of the Iowa National Guard. In an interview with The Huffington Post on Wednesday, Braley said that while there has clearly been some significant progress, challenges will remain even after 2014, when combat operations are supposed to end.

"It was very clear that under the best-case scenario, there will be some significant U.S. presence, according to them, for the next eight to 10 years," Braley said, adding that he expected that presence to include both military and civilian personnel. "That includes a very clear commitment that the drawdown will begin on schedule in July, and that the targeted date of being out with most combat forces by 2014 will be met. They continue to maintain that they are on pace to maintain those objectives."

The key transition benchmark, Braley said, will be the readiness of local law enforcement to assume principal responsibility of what are now largely U.S. security operations. "I think that the whole point is to transition the burden of maintaining security to the Afghan army and Afghan police, but there would be an obviously advisory role, they anticipate, for the U.S. military for the foreseeable future," he said. "The big question right now is when they start drawing down in July, where they're going to do that and the size of the redeployment."

Pentagon spokespersons told The Huffington Post that the Defense Department is not ready to discuss specific timelines at this point, and so far, no U.S. military or NATO official has publicly cited the time frame mentioned by Braley.

On Monday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who was also in Afghanistan to meet with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, said that both countries agree U.S. involvement should continue beyond 2014, although he didn't specify at what levels or for how long.

"I would say that if the Afghan people and the Afghan government are interested in an ongoing security relationship and some sort of an ongoing security presence -- with the permission of the Afghan government -- the United States, I think, is open to the possibility of having some presence here in terms of training and assistance, perhaps making use of facilities made available to us by the Afghan government for those purposes," said Gates. "We have no interest in permanent bases, but if the Afghans want us here, we are certainly prepared to contemplate that."

While in Afghanistan, Gates also said that there were unlikely to be U.S. withdrawals in July from the hard-fought areas of the south -- Helmand and Kandahar provinces. But he added, "While no decisions on numbers have been made, in my view, we will be well-positioned to begin drawing down some U.S. and coalition forces this July, even as we redeploy others to different areas of the country."

Braley said that one of the most profound comments made by Petraeus during their meeting was that there wasn't the "right combination at play" in Afghanistan until the fall of last year, which accounts for the slow pace of progress. Incidentally, Petraeus took command in Afghanistan from ousted Gen. Stanley McChrystal in June.

"One of the significant challenges that you face is dealing with a sovereign state that was sovereign in name only, which was a comment that Ambassador Eikenberry made," said Braley. "You've got a country with a high illiteracy rate, so that when Afghan army and police are trained, they are also being taught to read and basic math skills. It's a very long-term project to get Afghanistan to the point where it can sustain itself economically. That doesn't even take into account the activities that are going on in Pakistan, which have enormous implications in Afghanistan."

On Wednesday, Braley, a member of the House Committee on Veterans Affairs, introduced the True Cost of War Act, which would require the president and pertinent cabinet members to submit a written report to Congress on the long-term human and financial costs of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan through 2020.

Braley said this legislation has been a priority of his since he came to Congress in 2006, in large part because of the toll the Iraq war was taking on the country.

"The whole point of my legislation is that the American people -- especially at a time when Republicans have been pushing all these budget cuts -- are entitled to know what the true costs are, because the young men and women coming back with these injuries certainly have a clear understanding of what they are," he said.

Braley added that on his trip, he brought up this issue at nearly every single briefing he attended, recounting the experiences he had just before his trip visiting wounded soldiers and their families who had been treated at the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Md. and the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in D.C.

"I wanted them to realize that in a single congressional district in Iowa, the implications of this war were enormous," said Braley. "I have to tell you that I was very impressed by how moved the people I shared those experiences with were. They tend to get caught up in talking policies, numbers and long-term objectives, and I think they appreciated the fact that I brought it down to a very real, human level."

On Monday, Rasmussen released a poll finding that for the first time, a majority of Americans want U.S. troops withdrawn from Afghanistan within one year.

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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Reiner-von-Sinn
Fol de rol de rolly O
10:02 PM on 03/16/2011
Ya gotta keep Iran encircled
11:43 AM on 03/15/2011
Well Eisenhower warned us, we should of listened.
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Reiner-von-Sinn
Fol de rol de rolly O
10:00 PM on 03/16/2011
Great post thank you
10:58 AM on 03/11/2011
The corrupt Afgan government, corrupt private contractors and corrupt military-industrial complex, are having too much fun bilking US taxpayers out of hundreds of billions of dollars to want this party to end anytime soon. A good bet would be that the United States will only end this folly due to its own bankruptcy.
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MalleusMaleficarum
Global nomad.
10:10 AM on 03/11/2011
In search of fiscal responsibility, sack all the generals.
11:04 PM on 03/10/2011
This Nightmare is going to end soon, Afghanistan draining us financially could turn out to an Economic Collapse
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Balzac
08:18 PM on 03/10/2011
"Commanders expect a 'significant' U.S.A. presence in Afghanistan for 8 to ten more years?"

Do these "commanders" who have this opinion include their Commander-in-Chief? I'm taking this with a grain of salt. We'll see what President Obama has to say.
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nkurland
I'm going to leave this planet alive
05:56 PM on 03/10/2011
Obama predicts that withdrawal won't fully finish before the end of 2014, possibly 2015. This Democratic rep predicts 8 to 10 more years. Republican congressmen frequently utter statements about a war of indefinite duration. We've entered a country in the heart of Central Asia at the behest of our elite and foreign policy planners to oppress, kill and subjugate a people all for a subservient government willing to build a pipeline.

Take a good look, this is George W. Bush's generational war come to fruition.
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Riverhippy
Someday, Texas will peacefully leave the Union.
05:55 PM on 03/10/2011
http://www.militarytimes.com/multimedia/video/?bcrefid=866157386#/Most+Recent/Military+Times%3A+SitRep+Online+for+March+7%2C+2011/57707019001/57238597001/817511026001
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TYRANNASAURUS
UGH!....people taste like crap!
05:46 PM on 03/10/2011
Dem Rep: Expect A 'Significant Presence' In Afghanistan For 8 To 10 More Years...

We'll be long bankrupted before that.
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Almondo
Agnostic Realist Tradevknaught
05:25 PM on 03/10/2011
"Criminals expect crime to continue paying."
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Cleverboots
05:08 PM on 03/10/2011
A very good reason(if we needed one) to force the Obama/Petraeus partnership out.
05:05 PM on 03/10/2011
AfPak is the key area in the US Empire of Bases. Without US full spectrum dominance of this area, that Empire would fall apart.
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Joe Goforth
contempt for the status quo
04:49 PM on 03/10/2011
I won't vote for anyone who supports this war. We don't need to be in Afghanistan any longer.
05:08 PM on 03/10/2011
US is on the road to failing ang falling apart much harder than the Soviet Union, the last "Evil Empire" to fail and fall.
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darquelourd
You Get What You Play For
04:40 PM on 03/10/2011
Hint: of course they do, it's "job security" for the Generals.

If you have to be fighting in any country as long as we have been in Afghanistan at some point you just need to accept that "victory" is impossible and then get the heck out.

Seriously - you know how much we spend on the military? How much do you think the Taliban spend? And we're STILL losing or just holding our ground. Its the height of national arrogance and/or blind stupidity to think if the world's most powerful military hasn't defeated a bunch of rural tribesmen after 10 years that eventually we will.
04:26 PM on 03/10/2011
"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together"

- Dwight Eisenhower, 17th January 1961
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Janet Bratter
Fix this mess. Now or Never.
06:47 PM on 03/10/2011
For a man who commanded troops in Europe during "WWII" it's ironic that in his old age Eisenhower finally realized what it took another career soldier, General Smedley Butler, to also conclude; that "War is a Racquet". Read his speech of that title online.

As someone else here stated, this war (as fundamentally do all wars) provides the generals with "job security" and guarantees that taxpayer money remains in the military pipeline. Our wealth, now largely borrowed from China, is being diverted from its proper use of serving those who generated it. Instead it is flowing into the coffers of the international arms manufacturers.

At this point our military (in Afghanistan and other oil pipeline states) functions as a defacto mercenary army for the Chinese who hold the paper on the US debt. Meanwhile the US infrastructure rots as the Chinese continue building theirs.

Trillions that are squandered on military adventurism could and should be used to improve our lives here at home.