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Obama Looking For Ways Around Congress On Gun Policy


First Posted: 03/15/11 05:33 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:40 PM ET

With Reporting By Lucia Graves

WASHINGTON -- Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions of Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive action, administration officials say.

The Department of Justice held the first in what is expected to be a series of meetings on Tuesday afternoon with a group of stakeholders in the ongoing gun-policy debates. Before the meeting, officials said part of the discussion was expected to center around the White House's options for shaping policy on its own or through its adjoining agencies and departments -- on issues ranging from beefing up background checks to encouraging better data-sharing.

Administration officials said talk of executive orders or agency action are among a host of options that President Barack Obama and his advisers are considering. “The purpose of these discussions is to be a productive exchange of good ideas from folks across the spectrum,” one official said. “We think that’s a good place to start.”

Earlier in the day, House Democrats joined New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg to offer another possible starting point, announcing legislation that would make fundamental changes to the nation’s gun background check system. Sponsored by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), a longtime gun control advocate, the bill mirrors one introduced late last month by another New York Democrat, Sen. Chuck Schumer.

“Too often, any serious discussion about guns devolves into ideological arguments that have nothing to do with the real problem,” Bloomberg, a co-founder of the coalition Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told reporters at a press event outside the Capitol. “Our coalition strongly believes in the Second Amendment. We also know from experience that we can keep guns away from dangerous people without imposing burdens on law-abiding gun owners."

For gun control advocates, however, executive action remains a more promising -- albeit more limited -- vehicle for reform than Congress. On Monday, The Huffington Post first reported that the Justice Department was convening meetings with groups from across the ideological spectrum in an effort to chart potential policy changes to Second Amendment law.

The discussions were meant to build a broad coalition around the elements of reform Obama had outlined a day earlier in an op-ed for the Arizona Daily Star, including stronger state-to-state coordination, expedited background checks and greater enforcement of the laws already on the books, especially with regard to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

But the coalition-building didn’t start off on a promising note. The National Rifle Association responded to the op-ed by arguing that Obama had missed the point “entirely” in ignoring lax law enforcement and shortcomings in the nation's mental health system.

The NRA’s response crystallized what administration officials and gun control advocates have long known to be a major potential roadblock in any reform effort: a policy approach that gives off even the hint of restricting access to firearms will be met with forceful opposition by the gun lobby and its allies.

Even when Democrats attempted to limit the ability of outside interest groups to make anonymous campaign donations, they ultimately exempted the NRA for fear that the group would derail the entire enterprise. And so, the conversation has drifted towards executive action.

“We need tougher laws, but there’s a lot we can and should be doing to enforce the laws we have,” said Mark Glaze, the executive director of Mayors Against Illegal Guns. “Sometimes it’s a question of manpower and money, but in many cases it’s just a question of political will. We think the president knows that and is getting there.”

The extent to which Obama can change gun law without the hand of Congress is not, gun control activists say, wholly insignificant. Though they say they'd prefer longer-lasting, broader legislative responses to shootings like that which occurred in Tucson, Ariz., in early January, there are notable gaps that can be filled with presidential action.

With respect to the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), a Clinton-era rule had prevented the military from reporting to the Federal Bureau of Investigation that the alleged shooter, Jared Loughner, had been rejected as a recruit for failing a drug test. Obama could reverse that without Congress, Glaze and an administration official said.

As for other possible actions that can be taken without Congress, Mayors Against Illegal Guns has compiled a wishlist of sorts, suggesting that the national background-check system enforce the requirement that all federal agencies report individuals forbidden under federal law from purchasing guns; that the White House restructure regulations requiring that the FBI destroy firearm-purchase records after 90 days; that the FBI, DOJ and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives be more aggressive in pursuing federal prosecutions against those individuals who illegally attempted to buy firearms; and that the latter agency ramp up undercover investigations of sales at gun shows.

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With Reporting By Lucia Graves WASHINGTON -- Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions of Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential changes to gun law...
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03:15 PM on 05/05/2011
Why do so many of you want to be a slave to anyone; especially the government? You resort to name calling because you are unable to produce valid and legitimate arguments to defend your position. Have you never studied REAL history? There are thousands of laws too many laws and they mean virtually nothing to those who choose to ignore them. No matter how many laws you create, those who violate..will violate. Law abiding citizens should not have to worry about the government tracking them, asking questions or prying into their lives. We didn't like it when they pried into our bedrooms, why do you want them to know anything about you at all? America is a country that most people will do anything to live here. No one is rushing to get out of America, but so many claim how bad and how dangerous we are because of guns. Have you ever lived in a country where citizens are oppressed; where the government controls so much of citizens lives, where the citizens are prevented from leaving? I have and it is a very ugly, depressing and volatile place to live. "Give up your freedom for security and you are neither free or secure".
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rlclark65
Was Lib, then got degree, job & family
11:48 AM on 04/29/2011
Can you imagine if Bush ever came out openly and said "We are looking for ways to get around congress" This putz says it and the mindless drones stand up and cheer.

I don't get it, we have had laws on the books for years that no one enforces. I just was on a Jury where we were trying a guy for a shooting. He did it after being paroled after being convicted on another shooting and was on bail for being caught while on parole with a gun.

It is insane. You know most law abiding citizens wouldn't feel the need to have a gun if they would deal with the criminals.
10:31 PM on 04/24/2011
“We need tougher laws, but there’s a lot we can and should be doing to enforce the laws we have,”

Then DO IT. Don't just grandstand and whine about Congress not passing more useless laws.
09:38 PM on 04/17/2011
What we actually need is for all three branches of the federal government to follow the Constitution. We do not need more infringements upon our rights. We need a much smaller & more limited government. What ever happened to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Mr. President, Congressmen, Senators and Judges: HONOR YOUR OATH
07:56 AM on 04/25/2011
These are all rather tired talking points. Can you be specific?

Let's start with "We do not need more infringements upon our rights." I keep hearing this, but what do you mean exactly? Which rights have been infringed upon? Thanks, I really want to know what you think.
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JoeGolden
THE POLLS WERE CORRECT!!!!!!!
02:14 PM on 04/13/2011
I'M a 62 year old "gun toter"... don't mess with my guns until.............. I've had enough, with the event in Tuscon i no longer have the right to sit and polish on my guns and the 19 in Tuscon get what happened to them.

I never ever thought i would say it but this cannot never ever happen again. Laws do have to change. The NRA can no longer have the right for me to sit and polish my guns and give the 2nd amendment as an excuse.

The days of the 2nd amendment are over. If we cannot stop this senseless gun violence we must repel the second amendment. There after 62 years i have finally said it....... enough gun violence at any cost -times have changed since we had covered wagons on this plant.

Ms Giffords sorry, but all i have is a changed attitude and my humble apology for your almost fatal incident.
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NeoConsAreFinished
Fight the Ah mer I cun talibanned
05:29 AM on 04/14/2011
Word Joe..
10:32 PM on 04/24/2011
Well, the path to repealing the 2nd is well documented. That's the way to do it you want.

Obama acting like King George is not.
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TMS3100
Tea Party has run off with his light saber.
11:03 PM on 04/24/2011
That are not big on the whole rule of law, and following the process kind of thing.
02:07 AM on 04/12/2011
He has a thing about guns apparently. Can't say I blame him. I've lived in 8 cities and have never felt as unsafe as I do here. I was naive. I had no idea anyone can carry a gun here. This is not a comfortable idea. Who thought this up? Why? Really? Now they're allowing guns on college and university campuses. Yeah. So the last 20 years of just say no to drugs and sex, and don't bring your box cutter or gun to school, weapon checks in public schools. Campaigns all over how bullying is bad. But somehow, allowing any old looney bin or angry person who drinks, really anyone, to buy any kind of gun, hunting, murdering, sporting... I'm not feeling this. Have these people ever had a gun held to their head? Must not have. Is not a cool thing. Never is. What exactly are they protecting? Whose Dystopian Wet-Dream Is This? The reality is--what no one comes out and says in public--is that there are a few very choice reasons this nonsense of allowing anyone to have guns around our children (did I mention that I realized once that everyone is somebody's baby?). This is Tombstone but a bit more Globalized. Nationalism. Tribalism. Racism. All that. I have been hearing things like '...we have to stay armed because there's going to be (choose one:) 1/ a Black Uprising; 2/ Communist Threat; etc. Out of words.
09:53 PM on 04/11/2011
I'm pretty sure Obama isn't all talk on mandating gun control that he couldn't get through congress. Senators and Congressmen knew not to try to pass any restrictive laws concerning guns, and gun owners rights, because they knew it was political suicide.
09:49 PM on 04/11/2011
i don't really want my neighbors having automatic rifles with a banana clip and such as wyldthings has said. however, i am smart enough to know that the more gun control we have will cause ONLY the people getting guns will be getting them illegally. just as they are now.
05:55 PM on 04/01/2011
Molon labe
06:03 PM on 04/01/2011
That's pronounced mo-lone lah-veh
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wbthacker
Can YOU pass the Turing Test?
06:28 PM on 03/23/2011
I'm pretty sure this is just talk. If the Dems were serious about gun control they would have rammed some laws through in 2009 when they had complete control. They didn't, because they used all their political capital to pass the spending and health care reform bills. They were taking enough heat over those that they couldn't afford to anger gun owners, too. Most of us are Democrats, after all.

So they bring it up now, when they're powerless to implement anything significant. Talk costs them nothing, and soothes the gun control advocates without making gun rights supporters start voting against Democrats.

Like gay rights, this issue just isn't important enough to Democrats to make their "A" list.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
01:32 AM on 03/25/2011
"I'm pretty sure this is just talk. "

Political posturing is what it is. Pres Obama wants to shore up support from the gun control lobby with some small steps which he thinks that the gun rights lobby might go along with. It is basically the opening gambit of the 2012 election.
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GraniteSkyline
I wish you happiness!
12:52 PM on 04/02/2011
Silliest argument I ever heard.

The long ignored issue of gun control is back on the table after the shootings in Tucson.
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STL BOB
America needs more rugged individualism!
05:26 PM on 04/24/2011
It's a cold turkey.
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12:07 PM on 03/23/2011
Right wing extremist, and teaparty affilliate, Jason Bush stands trial today in Tucson AZ. for killing a nine year old girl and her father in Arivaca. He was a member of of the Shawna Ford Minuteman American Defense death squad. Meanwhile, thirty Republican CEO's petitoned the extremest Russell Pierce, AZ Senate Leader, and Stormfront sympathizer, not to enforce the States immigration law. Seems that they were worried that their profits were suffering because of Arizona's image. Missing from the petition was any since of moral concern about armed groups, killings, or weapons. Simply money.
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
05:24 PM on 03/23/2011
Why is this pertinent to a discussion of how Obama intends to circumvent Congress on gun laws?
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07:24 PM on 03/23/2011
A bit of the human side to the armed citizen debate for a family destroyed by vigilanties. In context, zealots do their deeds for the greater good, as they see it, and do not see themselves as criminals, indeed, as saviors. Some observers find a dramatic rise in home grown extremist groups and potential problems with a permissive gun culture to be reinforcing and enabling to the conspiratorial mind.
10:35 PM on 04/24/2011
What is a Tea Party affiliate?

Ohhh wait...just your way of trying to pin anything at all on the Tea Party.

So let's see...All the Democrats are Black Supremacist because the Blank Panthers support the Dems.

Is that how it works?
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realpolitic
When in Rome.......
06:15 PM on 03/22/2011
"It's no accident the National Rifle Association staunchly supports high-capacity magazines - it gets money from their manufacturers every day. Missouri-based gun company MidwayUSA pioneered a fund-raising tactic called "Round-Up." The program involves asking customers to round up their purchases to the nearest dollar. The company then donates the difference to the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, a lobbying arm of the gun rights group. Since 1992, MidwayUSA, along with other firearm companies, have funnelled a total of $7.5 million to the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action using the "Round-Up" tactic. MidwayUSA's wares include high-capacity magazines similar to those used in the Arizona shooting spree..."

http://crooksandliars.com/cliff-schecter/nra-its-good-live-king
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
07:25 PM on 03/22/2011
That is still a voluntary donation by the purchaser, not directly from the maufacturer.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
08:38 PM on 03/22/2011
The "Round-Up" program is used by several organizations and really amount to nothing more than the little donation boxes and jars seen from many groups near check-out registers. Donations are completely voluntary on the part of the purchaser. This is like saying the March of Dimes supports Funyuns because the gas station/convenience store sells Funyuns and has the store has a donation jar for the March of Dimes.
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realpolitic
When in Rome.......
12:18 AM on 03/23/2011
The NRA could turn down the donations, right!  You are now equating the NRA to the March of Dimes!   You are gone, man, really gone.  One organization wants to help with birth defects and the other wants to arm us to the teeth.  I'll let you sort out which is which.  If confused, call your gun friends.
06:20 AM on 03/22/2011
Slaves do not have guns
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Sam Honeycutt
Reg US Army veteran. Vietnam era.
10:39 PM on 03/21/2011
Obama is making legislation by executive order down to a fine art. Executive Order has taken the place of legislation by judicial activism that was and is the favorite tool of liberals. Or Obama'sother new tactic of if he doesn't agree with a law just don't defend it although he swore to. But I guess those are quibbles.
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12:21 PM on 04/16/2011
Judicial activism is soooo apparent with the present Repugs on the Supreme Court! Try some other Repug talking point, this one is already proven false!
02:27 PM on 03/21/2011
I find it somewhat worrisome that the president might try to go around Congress to enact gun control. He has to power to work within the laws passed by Congress to execute the laws and that might entail establishing various rules within that scope, but for him to go beyond that is very dangerous and can call into question if he is overstepping his constitutional authority. I know that the courts have only ruled a couple times that a particular executive order exceeds the boundaries set by the Constitution, but it can happen.