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Joe Biden's Office Joins Gun Policy Discussions


First Posted: 03/17/11 01:04 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:40 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- With the Obama administration gearing up for its first attempt at reforming federal gun policy, Vice President Joe Biden’s office has begun assuming more of an active role.

Aides to the vice president were present at a 90-minute meeting that the Department of Justice hosted with gun control advocates on Tuesday, administration officials said. And while those officials stressed Biden’s involvement in the gun policy discussion was still very much in its beginning stages -- “at this point, we are just gathering ideas from people,” said an administration official, “and [the Vice President’s staff is] involved in that” -- those in attendance were pleased to see Biden emissaries at the table, interpreting it as a sign of seriousness on the administration’s behalf.

“We have had other meetings with folks at justice and meetings with other people in the administration,” said one attendee. “This was the most thorough engagement we have had to date.”

The vice president, after all, was the lawmaker most closely associated with the last major congressional effort to refigure Second Amendment rights. The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 was written, in large part, by then-senator Biden. It included major curbs on assault weapons, not only barring the manufacturing of 19 different brands of firearms, but also outlawing the possession of newly manufactured high-capacity magazines.

The law expired in 2004, and despite several high-profile gun-related incidents since then, efforts at re-introduction have failed.

The shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and 19 others in Tucson in January was, for gun control advocates, the hook to try again.

“Tucson truly has a potential to be a game changer in this discussion for a number of reasons,” explained Paul Helmke, President of the Brady Campaign and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. “There is a high profile target who lived. There will continue to be Gabrielle Giffords stories… [The shooter Jared] Loughner survived too. In the Virginia Tech shootings, no one was high profile there… with most shootings nobody knows who any of the people were. You almost have to go back to Jim Brady and Reagan.”

Over the past week, Helmke’s group and several others were in contact with the Department of Justice about what type of policy response, whether through congressional or executive action, could be taken. Tuesday’s meeting was the first formal sit-down, to be followed with similar meetings with both law-enforcement officials and second-amendment rights groups.

While the purpose of the early talks is to explore all possible ideas, several officials involved said that it is already fairly clear the scope of the policy options is limited. Tuesday's meeting, which included officials from the White House and the Department of Justice in addition to the VP’s office, involved open discussion on a host of topics.

But the session mainly focused on the set of reforms Obama outlined in his op-ed in the Arizona Daily Star on Sunday, including proper implementation of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS); greater state-to-state coordination; and a “faster and nimbler” system so that those conducting background checks have the best available data.

Most widely discussed was how states could be better supported or encouraged to quickly and comprehensively upload data on criminal records and the mentally ill to the NICS system. That, however, is considered low-hanging fruit in the gun control advocacy community. Going after straw buyers and private sellers is a much harder lift, though one that was discussed on Tuesday. Participants mentioned high-capacity magazines too, but tellingly it was the attendees, not the administration, which originated the discussion.

“It struck me that they were looking for a broad range of ideas,” said Helmke. “That they hadn’t decided on any proposals or written anything off.”

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WASHINGTON -- With the Obama administration gearing up for its first attempt at reforming federal gun policy, Vice President Joe Biden’s office has begun assuming more of an active role. Aides to...
WASHINGTON -- With the Obama administration gearing up for its first attempt at reforming federal gun policy, Vice President Joe Biden’s office has begun assuming more of an active role. Aides to...
 
 
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Gun Banner Too
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04:34 PM on 03/22/2011
As a violence policy advocate, it’s important to note that none of what I write is personal conjecture but instead comes from the study of statistics, polls, and opinion found through research of web sites on the Internet. It’s come to my attention that gun owners belong to the NRA and are Tea Party Insurrectionists Extremist Gun Fetishists. It’s also notable that they will often give up their families, careers, and even their life to have “Wild West” type shootouts over minor disputes such as parking spots or to compensate for some other shortcoming. Again, this is not personal conjecture but consensus among the public as verified in the Comments sections of several web sites. That’s not to say that they don’t favor common sense civilian disarmament polices such as the prohibition of AK-47 Assault Weapons since they can now safely be considered Weapons of Mass Destruction, and have no civilian use, or the reasonable ban of Glock brand machine pistols since they have no militia use and therefore, are not protected by the Second Amendment. This information comes from recent polling and a quick search will show that to you. Of course we shouldn’t overlook high power, armor penetrating, 9mm ammunition as well. I would like to join my peers and urge legislators at every level to Dis the Deadly Myths and Reclaim the Constitution, by proposing sensible and reasonable policies that register and eventually disarm the public.
08:51 PM on 03/21/2011
I need my guns so I have something to shoot into the air on New Year's Eve.
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bobncar
for the good of all, not just the chosen few
01:18 PM on 03/21/2011
Apology accepted. My apologies to you also. This is a sensitive subject, and I tend to get carried away. We probably agree more than we disagree in the end. Although I still am offended when I walk into a restaurant and see some one with a gun strapped to their leg. I think we have about exhausted this debate. truce?
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dbrett480
03:08 PM on 03/20/2011
Instead of a debate on gun control we should be talking about criminal control and how to deal with the mentally ill. We blame drunk drivers for DUI accidents, not car manufacturers. Logically we should do the same with weapons. Increase the penalties for criminals who use weapons. And instead of taking guns off the street, take criminals off the street and put them in prison where they belong.
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
04:54 PM on 03/18/2011
I've figured out the pattern, finally. 2 hours ago, comments on this board were going through without interruption, and now nothing is going through on this or any other gun-related blog. 3 o'clock comment lockdown in effect? Change of the guard?
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Cory111
Life is truly good...
07:36 PM on 03/18/2011
I think someone is holding up those approving our posts, darn guns once again...
02:51 PM on 03/18/2011
He has an office? What does he do?
02:13 PM on 03/18/2011
He could have been a suicide bomber (except he was a coward). In these type cases it is always the messenger not the method used to kill. Sure Arizona needs a little gun control like a background check and waiting period, but not for CCW permit holders. They have already been checked out. Thank God the Minutemen had guns, otherwise we would not be a free country. Lets make sure it stays that way. Crime is way down in every State that has the new CCW law. If I was a crook I would love a ban on guns. How about this, a sign on everyones lawn that has a gun. Mine would say, "I have a gun, my neighbor to the RIGHT believes in banning guns, please leave him alone too." Think about it!
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02:21 PM on 03/18/2011
"CCW"s don't need a permit in Arizona. They have not been "checked out". Think about that.
02:31 PM on 03/18/2011
As I stated "Sure Arizona needs a little gun control." There are no CCW's in Arizona, CCW's are part of gun control.
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rikilii
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02:36 PM on 03/18/2011
He didn't say that all "CCWs" have been checked out.  He said that the requirement for background checks or waiting periods should not apply to CCW permit holders because they have already been checked out.  Surely even you can understand the difference "need" and "have", Guffie.
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
08:47 PM on 03/18/2011
Sure Arizona needs a little gun control like a background check and waiting period . . . .
Is that sorta like a little bit pregnant?

10:29 PM on 03/20/2011
No, it's sorta like 45 other States have. Usually a little pregant usually turns into a lot pregant. That's what the NRA is there to stop, too much gun control. As they say, Outlaw guns and only Outlaws will have guns.
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George Helm
02:10 PM on 03/18/2011
Last week Joe Biden couldn't spell gun, now he are one!
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KrautMan
Carpe jugulum
12:48 PM on 03/18/2011
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/18/chicago-shootings-nearly-_n_837495.html

Totally unimaginable in any other developed country on this planet.
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
08:49 PM on 03/18/2011
It's a cultural thang, doncha know?  In some cultures shooting other people is a valid means of self-expression.
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Jerry Bourbon
10:56 AM on 03/18/2011
"Reasonable gun control" is working really well at reducing suicides

In Japan...

"Reasonable gun control" is working really at reducing violence

In Mexico...

"Reasonable gun control" is working really well at promoting freedom

In Libya...
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11:02 AM on 03/18/2011
Please outline for us the parallels between American culture and that of Japan, or Libya, or Mexico. History, demographics, you know, those sorts of things.
11:19 AM on 03/18/2011
We're free and they're still working on it.
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rikilii
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11:21 AM on 03/18/2011
Funny, I often ask gun-control advocates basically that same question when they insist on comparing the "gun death rates" of the U.S. to other "wealthy nations," and I never get an answer.
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
10:04 AM on 03/18/2011
The argument of criminal vs. non criminal is getting very stale.  How many jailed people were non criminals until the fired the first, second or twentieth shot?   A lot of them.
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11:04 AM on 03/18/2011
Anyone who misuses a gun is retroactively deemed "criminal", thereby marginalizing their misuse. It's a way of insuring that "law-abiding gun owners" remain squeaky-clean.
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Cory111
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11:13 AM on 03/18/2011
I spent Saturday at the bi-annual Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot, right outside of Louisville, Ky. Gun enthusiasts of all stripes were there — from the National Rifle Association and sportsmen to militia members to white supremacists and Obama birthers.

Thanks for finding it, what an eye-opener.
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SMBrown2
99% of democrats make the rest look bad.
11:14 AM on 03/18/2011
How many instances of gun violence involve 20 shots? A vanishingly small number.
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elizlucinda
a mind is a terrible thing to waste
11:36 AM on 03/18/2011
there are lots that involve more...
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11:37 AM on 03/18/2011
Instances of gun violence involving 20 shots are, no doubt, quite rare. Instances involving 31 shots, though....
09:48 AM on 03/18/2011
This whole controversy boils down to intent. If the intent is to reduce violent crime, you need to look at the criminals rather than the tools they use. A person who wants to kill as many people as possible will just use another tool if he doesn't use a gun, such as a bomb. The massacres in the Middle East aren't shootings... they're blasts. There have been multiple murders committed with Samurai swords, kitchen knives, poison gas, etc. All you need is the desire to kill. Laws will not prevent any of it. They merely attach a penalty to an act already committed. We all know murdering people is against the law yet they happen every day.

Prohibition of a particular class of gun or its magazine will have no more effect on the criminal class than the prohibition on alcohol did in the 30s or the ongoing War on Drugs. Prohibitive laws only affect those who would respect them. Doubt my word? Ask your teenagers if they know where to buy pot.

Prohibition is only effective in disarming the very citizens who don't break the law and were not part of the problem; hence they are not part of the solution. Worried about somebody with a permit to carry a concealed weapon is sitting in the next booth? I'd worry more about the guy who doesn't have that permit sitting in the next booth with a gun in his pocket. Trust me, he's there at times.
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
10:00 AM on 03/18/2011
The issue is not simply those who can be readily identified as "criminals".  Is the man who suddenly get's overheated in an argument and shoots his wife a criminal before he shoots?  Is the bullied 13 year old a criminal before he takes that gun to school and shoots his classmates?  Is the worker who believes he was fired unfarely a criminal before she guns down her former collegues?  No.  In all cases.  And yet laws in some states make it no criminal to shoot a kid cutting across your front lawn or the woman who's just cut you off on the freeway.  There's much more to the debate than the good guys vs. the bad guys.
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
10:18 AM on 03/18/2011
In all of those cases, you're talking about guns that would still be obtained legally even under the proposed laws.  Although I'm not particularly inclined to attribute unknown motivations to you, your voiced concerns give me the impression that you support a much broader ban on guns.
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SMBrown2
99% of democrats make the rest look bad.
10:40 AM on 03/18/2011
Which state is it legal to shoot a woman because she cuts me off in traffic?
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10:02 AM on 03/18/2011
In many instances, a permit isn't required. Thanks to America's lax gun laws. Loughner was a perfectly legal concealed carrier, up til the instant he pulled the trigger.
10:14 AM on 03/18/2011
Actually, no he wasn't. The law which allows Arizona citizens to carry concealed without a permit doesn't go into effect until this summer.

Be that as it may: is it not illegal to shoot people or commit murder? How did any law prevent the Arizona shootings from occurring? How could they? All they do is allow us to spank Loughner now that he's done his criminal deed.
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rikilii
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10:18 AM on 03/18/2011
No, he wasn't.
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Cory111
Life is truly good...
09:35 AM on 03/18/2011
A new sign near the local rest home. "Silencers are required in this area."
Local restaurant sign, “This is a no-packing area.”
Local grocery store, “Please no shooting in the isles please use the parking lot. For your added convenience we have marked off ten paces.”
Local grocery store.
Express lane. Three automatics or less.
#1 Big bore and extended clips.
#2 .22 only
#3 Sling shots and BB guns.
Sign over check out stands.
If you can pack then you can pack your own groceries.
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SMBrown2
99% of democrats make the rest look bad.
10:42 AM on 03/18/2011
I just sent in my form 1 for a new suppressor. Stoked.
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rikilii
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05:07 PM on 03/18/2011
Don't quit your day job, Jokey.
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Cory111
Life is truly good...
07:50 PM on 03/18/2011
It's obvious my virus protection needs to be up-graded. As one that is REALLY retired I’ve had it set to watch for things like, “Job, Work, To-Do lists and ex-wives names.”
Isn't life just a hoot....
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SMBrown2
99% of democrats make the rest look bad.
09:28 AM on 03/18/2011
Some of you hippies seem to think existing gun laws don't work. My question to you is, how do you know? I'm all for effective background checks. So is the NRA. You think NRA members want criminals to have guns?

The problem with new restrictions on guns is that all the law abiding citizens will obey them, and none of the criminals will. Limiting hi-caps is not going to do anything statistically significant to crime. Nothing.

Now let's fully enforce existing laws, repeal the Hughes amendment, and be happy and safe.
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KrautMan
Carpe jugulum
10:11 AM on 03/18/2011
Just check the statistics. 30.000 fatalities per year, including 12.000 homicides, that's unique in the developed world. And yes, the NRA wants criminals to have guns, it's direct sales plus additional sales to people who feel threatened by criminals with guns.
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rikilii
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10:20 AM on 03/18/2011
The NRA doesn't sell guns, so you comment about the desires of the NRA makes no sense.
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SMBrown2
99% of democrats make the rest look bad.
10:36 AM on 03/18/2011
Are you a member of the NRA? Or can you just read the thoughts of the members?
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Gun Banner Too
Violence Policy Advocate
09:27 AM on 03/18/2011
As a violence policy advocate, it’s important to note that none of what I write is personal conjecture but instead comes from the study of statistics, polls, and opinion found here as well as other sites on the Internet. It’s come to my attention that GUN OWNERS belong to the NRA and are Tea Party Insurrectionists Extremist Fetishists. It’s also notable that they will often give up their families, careers, and even their life to have “Wild West” type SHOOTOUTS over minor disputes such as parking spots or to compensate for some other SHORTCOMING. This is not personal conjecture but consensus among the public as verified in the comments sections of several web sites. That’s not to say that they don’t favor COMMON SENSE civilian disarmament polices such as the prohibition of AK-47 ASSAULT WEAPONS since they can now safely be considered WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION, and have no civilian use, or the reasonable ban of GLOCK brand MACHINE PISTOLS of 30+ since they have no militia use and therefore, are not protected by the Second Amendment. This information comes from recent polling and a quick search will show that to you. Of course we shouldn’t overlook LAUGHNER STYLE CLIPS bought at GUNS SHOWS. I would like to join my peers and urge legislators at every level to Dis the Deadly Myth and Reclaim the Constitution, by proposing sensible and REASONABLE policies that register and eventually disarm the public though I don't support gun bans.

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Rhancheck
09:49 AM on 03/18/2011
wowo you are really an advocate for making violent policy... insult much? Stereotype much? Can you paint with any Broader of a brush?
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SMBrown2
99% of democrats make the rest look bad.
10:45 AM on 03/18/2011
He's using sarcasm. Poorly. And that is about the 100th time he's posted this exact thing. Dude you are not helping matters.
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Gun Banner Too
Violence Policy Advocate
10:59 AM on 03/18/2011
Everything I post is informatio­n that I've learned from the writings of gun control groups, their supporters­, and supporting commenters­. None of this is personal conjecture­. A little searching will show this to be true. I'm doing my part to help spread the message.