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Libya's No-Fly, No-Drive Zone A Tall Order, But Not Unprecedented

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First Posted: 03/18/11 05:13 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:40 PM ET

Establishing a no-fly, no-drive zone in Libya will be a complex military operation, but the United States and its allies have accomplished similar feats more than once in recent history.

Both over the Balkans in the 1990s and over Iraq from 1991 to 2003, strike aircraft -- A-10s, F-15s and F-16s -- drove endless circles in the sky, their pilots using radar and their own eyeballs to look for illegal activity. That level of constant surveillance, however, requires a large supporting cast.

The point of the U.N.-authorized operation is to prevent Libyan head of state Muammar Gaddafi from using his aircraft or tanks and other armored vehicles against civilians or the rebels who still cling to Benghazi and other towns in eastern Libya. Already, civilian air traffic reportedly has been halted within Libya. Once the zone is declared operational, any aircraft will be liable to be shot down, and any ground combat vehicles not in retreat will be targeted.

Maintaining the zone will require aerial refueling tankers, as well as radar-monitoring AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) command aircraft, to manage the complex choreography of inbound and outbound aircraft, and JSTARS (Joint Surveillance Target Attack Radar System) jets. The latter craft are modified Boeing 707 airliners packed with electronics that enable onboard analysts to find, identify, track and target individual tanks and other armored vehicles. That target data is passed on to the precision-guided weapons that are launched from strike aircraft.

It is likely that the United States will provide AWACS and JSTARS as well as aerial refueling tankers, while the British and French contribute strike fighters, although U.S. Air Force and Navy jets are positioned to fly missions as well.

An initial strike package of jets designed to jam and destroy enemy radar would precede the establishment of a no-fly zone. But the JSTARS can provide surveillance and targeting from outside Libyan missile range -- and unmanned drone aircraft could be used as well to avoid the remote possibility of having pilots shot down over Libya.

These operations could cost between $100 million and $300 million per week, depending on the number of aircraft involved, according to an analysis by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a Washington think tank.

If Gaddafi refuses to obey a cease-fire order, the international coalition could agree on a hard strike against airfields and armored columns, troop barracks, military headquarters and other military facilities that already have been identified and targeted. A full-out strike might cost between $500 million and $1 billion, according to the CSBA analysis.

Some of that tab might be picked up by Arab states in the Persian Gulf, which have promised to help.

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Establishing a no-fly, no-drive zone in Libya will be a complex military operation, but the United States and its allies have accomplished similar feats more than once in recent history. Both over...
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jmoore79
12:34 AM on 03/19/2011
BENGHAZI IS BEING BOMBED. WATCH LIVE STREAM FROM BENGHAZI #LibyaAlHurraTV http://livestre.am/CLsf #libya #Feb17
11:02 PM on 03/18/2011
Hey all you tea baggers and republican dogs how come you do not state a position.These racists hate Obama so much they cannot bring themselves to openly support Ghadaffi,but they do because Obama opposes him.That is Racism 101 Folks.How come not a word from the republicans?Answer that.
10:19 PM on 03/18/2011
Why Is "An initial strike package of jets designed to jam and destroy enemy radar" needed before the no-fly zone is enacted. They are feeding us this with every story on the no-fly zone

In the 1990's and early 2000's during the no-fly zone over Iraq, Iraq had radar. When a radar site locked onto an aircraft enforcing the no fly zone, then the radar site was destroyed.

No pilots were lost enforcing the no-fly zone. One plane may have been lost due to mechanical problems.
06:32 PM on 03/19/2011
This one is easy - wiki SEAD. Libya has a robust, capable, and well-developed surface-to-air defense network, including the SA-5. Before a no-fly zone can be established, the threat to aircraft flying combat air patrols, defensive counter-air, etc., the air defense network has to be neutralized.

You mention radar sites in Iraq being destroyed; those were done with SEAD aircraft, F-16CJ's flying in with HARMs (high-speed anti-radiation missiles) that when launched follow a radar signal back to its source.

This is an open-source intel snapshot of what we're up against: http://geimint.blogspot.com/2010/05/libyan-sam-network.html

It's not as easy as you think, and the 100+ words I have left couldn't possibly go into enough detail on what a complicated operation this is going to be.
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10:06 PM on 03/18/2011
I was disappointed that President Obama ruled out the use of our aircraft. As a former intercept director in the Air Defense Command, I know how essential AWACS aircraft are to the establishment of a no fly zone. Does anybody know whether we have supplied any to the French or the English? Ditto on the JSTARS. Our Navy can protect air traffic in the Mediterranean from the threatened retaliation by Khaddafi, and could help mightily in establishing a no fly zone. I am glad that Obama did not rule out the use of cruise missles! If Khaddafi does not honor his "cease fire", we should recognize the rebels and turn over frozen assets to them, Maybe they could buy superior tanks and training from the Egyptians. Our tanks have proven vastly superior to the
Russian ones the Libyan army has.
09:15 PM on 03/18/2011
Not to be to far off topic. We have seen unrest all over the middle east and the military has played an importent role in every case. If Americans were to peacefully protest in the same way, would our military support us or turn against us?
09:18 PM on 03/18/2011
The military is beholden to the executive and Congress, not to usurpers.

The Constitution explicitly authorizes the use of martial law in cases where the people rise against the legitimate government of the land.
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marco01
09:25 PM on 03/18/2011
What has history shown us? The only incident was the Kent massacre of five students by the ANG. That raised an uproar across America. Although no one was prosecuted, it did result in court cases and a reassessment of crowd control policies.

At this point in our history, I do not think we are there. But who knows what the future will bring.
11:00 PM on 03/18/2011
Kent State was a riot and then an accident. You can tell by who got shot that it was unintentional.

But the students should not have attacked the fire department and should not have rioted downtown.
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09:10 PM on 03/18/2011
In the end, Khadafi will be charged with war crimes and deported. If this was done in Iraq, we would of never of heard of 'Tea Bagger's', and Democracy would of spread much faster in the Arab world. Unfortunately the Crazy's were in the White House then.
09:02 PM on 03/18/2011
What this decision effectively means is that no citizen uprising against its own authoritarian government can be decisive in overtaking their overlords without the aid of the international or domestic military intervention. In other words, might is proven right, and diplomacy is a waste of a time.
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xdiesp
08:43 PM on 03/18/2011
No love for Qaddafi here, but he's doing what we've been doing in iraq\afghanistan for years. His are "rightful rebels" while ours are "bloodthirsty insurgents"... please.

Let's start another front in our middle eastern wars, c'mon another war is just what we needed. What's fun is we're basically backing Hizbullah and this will inevitably bite us back.
08:40 PM on 03/18/2011
The bottom line is this effort needs to be short and swift. Now that the UN and Arab League have decided this is the way to go Gaddafi must be deposed. The multilateral effort must wrap this up very quickly then let the opposition counsel set up their own interim government. That is the only way to avoid a long term war. This effort was requested by the Arab League, those countries should bear most of the expense.
08:58 PM on 03/18/2011
In an ideal world, the Arab league would take it upon themselves entirely to lead this operation if it is going to happen at all. The reality, however, is that they do not have a military competent enough effectively do the job. The brunt of the cost will fall upon the United States, which has decided multilaterally with the United Nations to intervene in conflicts all over the world if governments are "killing their own people".

The hypocrisy is defeaning, especially with the US also "killing its own people" under the auspices of Congress approved targeted killings.
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10:37 PM on 03/18/2011
Wrong one one count. They Egyptian Army could destroy the Libyan army almost effortlessly. Especially with a no fly zone and air support. Our tanks are vastly superior to the Russian tanks the Libyans use, Just ask the Iraqi tankers, if you can find any survivors.
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08:30 PM on 03/18/2011
Let the Arab League pick up the tab and use their aircraft. The EU has a stake in this too but NOT
the USA.
08:21 PM on 03/18/2011
This to me looks like a declaration of war against Libya's sitting authority. Imagine the hand on the other glove in this case. Could Libya, under the auspices of divine right and the United Nations, attempt to set up a "no-fly" zone in the United States, which effectively would mean the slaughter of American property and civilians?
08:31 PM on 03/18/2011
The US is not using our military to fire on our own people. Both the UN and the league of Arab nations has approved of this and it will be a joint effort of many countries. Your analogy doesn't apply.
08:51 PM on 03/18/2011
There is no readily defined moral line through which sovereign nations are given the impregnable right to invade. At the moment, Obama, through the Patriot Act, has the ability to authorize the assassination of American citizens without a trial. In addition, every President has always had the ability to impose martial law, which in a case of crisis wouldn't necessarily preclude his government from also murdering its citizens. In both of the above cases, the United States is effectively using its military fire against its own people.

And these needn't even be exercises in theory because both instances have happened and will happen again in the future. If we apply your threshold for acceding to the UN in matters of conflict, then it can be said that the UN, were it to garner enough votes, could concievably justify a "no-fly" zone over the US as a result of the North American giant "using its military to fire on our own people".
09:10 PM on 03/18/2011
Actually, the US targets it own citizens for extermination all over the world. Obama is imbued with the power to authorize and execute the killings of US civilians deemed dangerous but not capturable. Additionally, the Constitution affords the US government with the power to impose martial law, which has been implemented on several occasions including but not limited to the Civil War and World War II.

If, as you say, you truly believe the UN has the ability to sanction the invasion of one sovereign nation by another through military means, then for all intents and purposes you also approve of the UN, were it to receive enough votes, to support and approve the invasion of the United States both now and in the past for "using military fire on its own people".
08:13 PM on 03/18/2011
we should leave them alone,Lybians like most arabs have tribal mind set once there is what they consider outside agression they will turn on the "peacekeepers" and those we will become their enemies ....reference Iraq and Afganistan
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08:05 PM on 03/18/2011
Obama waited on the United Nations to make the decision so the U.S. does not have to do this alone . . . someone else could learn something here.
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07:40 PM on 03/18/2011
Will we declare a similar no-fly zone over Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, if those autocratic governments respond violently against protesters?
07:51 PM on 03/18/2011
If? They've already used massive violence:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/16/bahrain-forces-attack-protesters_n_836362.html
08:51 PM on 03/18/2011
I suppose we have the right to declare martial law over the entirety of the Middle East, then.