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Arizona Birthers See Tie To Birthright Citizenship

PAUL DAVENPORT   03/23/11 10:12 PM ET   AP

Arizona Birthers

PHOENIX — Legislation that would require proof of U.S. birth from presidential candidates is intersecting in Arizona with the question of whether U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are entitled to automatic citizenship.

The proposed legislation on documentation requirements for candidates asks for information on the citizenship of a candidate's parents. Tea party backers said Wednesday they believe people are only natural-born citizens if their parents are citizens.

"The term 'natural-born' has nothing to do" with location of birth, said Jeff Lichter of the Greater Phoenix Tea Party.

A Senate committee on Wednesday endorsed the bill after deleting the provision on citizenship of a candidate's parents, but it remains in a version approved Tuesday by a House panel.

President Barack Obama's name was hardly mentioned during either committee hearing, but Democratic Rep. Eric Meyer of Paradise Valley said it's apparent the issue "still stems in some way from the last election."

Hawaii officials have certified that Obama was born in that state, but "birthers" have demanded additional proof, asserting that Obama could have been born in his father's home country, Kenya. Obama's mother was an American citizen.

The issue came up across the country Wednesday when Donald Trump, appearing on ABC's "The View," said he wanted the president to "show his birth certificate."

"There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like," said Trump, who is considering a run for the Republican presidential nomination.

In Arizona, the candidate qualifications bill would authorize the secretary of state to keep a presidential candidate off the state's ballot if the candidate or party doesn't provide required information on the candidate's eligibility.

"Clearly this bill is not an attempt to deal with the current president other than to say that anyone running for president must meet the constitutional requirements," said Rep. Carl Seel, R-Anthem.

Peter Spiro, a Temple University law professor, said there's an emerging thread in legislation on presidential candidates' qualifications "that somebody who is a dual citizen at birth is ineligible for the presidency."

However, Spiro said, "there's no evidence that an individual has to be born to U.S. citizens to be eligible for the presidency."

The notion that a presidential candidate's parents must have been American citizens when the candidate was born troubled Sen. Frank Antenori, chairman of the Senate Government Reform Committee. The Tucson Republican said that would mean his American-born father, an Army veteran and the son of legal immigrants from Italy, couldn't run.

Last week, the state Senate rejected illegal immigration bills that included measures intended to produce a U.S. Supreme Court ruling on who is entitled to U.S. citizenship at birth under the 14th Amendment. Supporters argue that the amendment doesn't apply to the children of illegal immigrants because such families don't owe sole allegiance to the U.S.

"The law of the land is very clear. The question we've been facing ... is whether we want to reset the definition of natural-born citizen," said Democratic Sen. Kyrsten Sinema. "I would submit we did (decide) that last week."

Sinema, of Phoenix, said as many as eight prior American presidents wouldn't have been eligible for that office because they had one or more noncitizen parents.

Arizona legislators supporting the legislation said there are valid questions on presidential qualifications dating back to Mexico-born George Romney's 1968 presidential candidacy.

"This is a situation that I think needs to be finally put to bed, finally have the accounting somewhere, and if we start it, it may roll up to the federal level," said Rep. Steve Urie, R-Gilbert.

Previous Arizona bills on proof of presidential candidates' U.S. birth died earlier in the legislation session, but supporters are reviving the issue with broader versions.

They've added a provision to require that all candidates for public offices in Arizona provide an affidavit and "necessary documents to show" that they meet the qualifications.

"It's essential that as candidates running for office that we bring back the integrity to the office and that we show that we qualify to serve in the position that we're running for," said Republican Rep. Judy Burges of Skull Valley.

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PHOENIX — Legislation that would require proof of U.S. birth from presidential candidates is intersecting in Arizona with the question of whether U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are ent...
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08:52 AM on 04/08/2011
This whole birther phenomenon is similar to the "Great Red Scare."
10:42 PM on 03/31/2011
Trump's mother was a Scottish citizen. Would this prevent him from getting on the ballot in AZ?
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BobHiggins
Living on the brink of was.
04:41 PM on 03/25/2011
Fortunately for the rest of the country birthers, teapartiers, and other misinformed Arizonans don't get to decide who is a US citizen, It's spelled out quite clearly here:

"AMENDMENT XIV
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

There is no ambiguity in the phrase, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

The children of undocumented immigrants are citizens of the US and if they reside in Arizona they are legal citizens of that state as well. Period.
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p c r
Compassionate and Conservative are polar opposites
09:29 PM on 03/25/2011
F&F'ed for reminding us of the actual Constitution and it's amendments rather than vague tea party recolections of the contents.
08:52 AM on 04/08/2011
To the current Arizona administration, if you are not white, then you are suspect.
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
03:22 PM on 03/25/2011
Birthers came up with this '2 Parent Citizen' stuff when their fake Kenyan birth scenario (complete with forged Kenyan BC's etc) failed them.

Birthers don't like the aspect of American exceptionalism which means anyone born on American soil is a Natural Born Citizen.
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03:45 PM on 03/25/2011
The 14th Amendment and the US code sections that stem from it do not make any distinctions about foreign allegiances of a baby born in the USA.

It's kind of funny that birfers think that foreign law has effect on American law.
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
04:07 PM on 03/25/2011
Hiya Cessna. Yep. Excellent point.
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robert7 james7
01:19 PM on 03/25/2011
IT IS NOT LEGAL FOR STATES TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN RULES FOR FEDERAL ELECTIONS. THE COURTS HAVE ALREADY RULED ON THAT SAYING IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY NATIONAL CANDIDATE TO MEET DIFFERING STANDARDS FOR ALL 50 STATES.

AND THEY KNOW THIS BUT OF COURSE THEY DO NOT MIND DECEIVING YOU TO GET YOU RILED UP SO YOU WILL DOUBT PRESIDENT OBAMA AND VOTE FOR THEM. THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED.
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p c r
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09:31 PM on 03/25/2011
F&F'ed for shouting the truth. :)
traceymarie
Independent to Dem in 2007
02:40 PM on 03/24/2011
The birfers/baggers could not get their racism passed into law through the front door, now they are attempting to go in the back door. Racism and ignorance needs to be beat down by the intelligent people in America.
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Kansas1
02:36 PM on 03/24/2011
["It's essential that as candidates running for office that we bring back the integrity to the office and that we show that we qualify to serve in the position that we're running for," said Republican Rep. Judy Burges of Skull Valley.] - My question to these people is - why wasn't the "integrity" of the office ever questioned when white men were running? Heck of a coincidence that the integrity of the office became a question when a black man stood a chance of winning it and won it, especially when he was most likely vetted (with prejudice) more than anyone else....yep, racism is alive and growing in some states since 2008.
01:58 PM on 03/24/2011
There seems to be little argument that the Obamas were in Hawaii when Barack was conceived. Since Conservatives believe that life begins at conception, there should be no argument here.
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03:47 PM on 03/25/2011
The funniest fantasy of the birfers is that the President's mother just popped over to Kenya to have the baby and popped back unnoticed.

I always ask them, "Do you know the definition of an antipode?"
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p c r
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09:33 PM on 03/25/2011
Fan #1 because I ike your logic.
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cabo
01:50 PM on 03/24/2011
The birthers have decided to ignore the constitution. "Tea party backers said Wednesday they believe people are only natural-born citizens if their parents are citizens".
Constitution counts only if it is convenient and favorable to their agenda.
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PWM
Eisenhower Rep. The 1% started class warfare.
02:02 PM on 03/24/2011
They hate the constitution.
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03:48 PM on 03/25/2011
They have some magazine articles written in the 1700's to back their positions.
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p c r
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09:42 PM on 03/25/2011
F&F'ed for being consistently witty.
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lhanderson86
01:29 PM on 03/24/2011
By their logic, if you go back far enough, none of us are citizens. Technically, again by their logic, Mexicans have more of a right to Arizona than they do, because they are the indigenous population, at least Indios who are direct descendants of Aztecs and other indigenous groups who lived in the Southwestern US and Mexico for thousands of years before Europeans came. So technically, by their logic, the just un-citizened themselves.
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p c r
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09:35 PM on 03/25/2011
Fan #6 because I like the way your mind works.
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nevernot
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01:28 PM on 03/24/2011
"It's essential that as candidates running for office that we bring back the integrity to the office and that we show that we qualify to serve in the position that we're running for,"

Well that disqualifies practically the entire GOP from ever running for any office. I've never seen a group with less integrity or qualifications in my life...
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Itaught30yrs
A proud American teacher for over 30 years.
01:19 PM on 03/24/2011
PUSH, PUSH, PUSH.... keep this garbage dialogue going to create doubt and fear about president Obama.

No document produced will be accepted by these people. It is racism at it's worst. They can not see anyone but a white man in the white house.

The sad part is that Republicans are jumping on this band wagon to win in 2012. How low will they go? Well, listening to the Republican talking points all the time.... pretty darn low.

They have no respect for anything or anyone!
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03:49 PM on 03/25/2011
"He can't be a real 'Merkin! Just look at him! He must have been born in Kenya!"
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Seaniebhoy
01:16 PM on 03/24/2011
Interesting....many of you Americans seem to have forgotten that you yourselves did not originate here.
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lhanderson86
01:34 PM on 03/24/2011
Technically, Mexicans have more of a right to Arizona than we do. They were there first. We won that territory in a war.
02:13 PM on 03/24/2011
Actually, Native Americans were there before the Mexicans.
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emlr
"a man of knowledge is free"
12:58 PM on 03/24/2011
Since birthers make the charge that Obama was born in Kenya let them provide the proof of their assertions. So far all they've shown has been BS.
02:07 PM on 03/24/2011
Exactly!
traceymarie
Independent to Dem in 2007
02:43 PM on 03/24/2011
6 fake kenyan BC supplied by orley and they defend her.
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TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
03:24 PM on 03/25/2011
One of them signed by 'Dudley Doright' and another signed by a hospital administrator that wasn't in the position at the time he signed it, and furthermore so confused at the time, he mis -spelled his own name.
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Americanium
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12:51 PM on 03/24/2011
America has so many ignorant people in leadership positions.. Thank God for immigrants. They are the engines of growth in our country.
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Seaniebhoy
02:57 PM on 03/24/2011
The problem is when the immigrant begins to settle, become a part of the establishment and then persecutes other immigrant groups for fear of losing that power....for example look at "Irish America"...when the Irish first came here during the middle of the 19th century they suffered horrible abuse by the American population....fast fwd a 150 years later and how many of these "Birthers" are of Irish decent...people forget where they came from and can no longer appreciate the struggle that their forebearers went through.