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Roma Sterilization Case Opens

Roma Sterilization

03/22/11 01:40 PM ET   AP

PARIS — Europe's human rights court opened a hearing Tuesday into a Gypsy woman's allegation that she was wrongly and forcibly sterilized at a state-run hospital in her native Slovakia because of her ethnicity.

The case at the European Court of Human Rights centers on allegations that a semiofficial policy of forced sterilization of Gypsies – who prefer to be called Roma – in eastern Europe during the Communist era lingered in some areas after the fall of the Iron Curtain.

Other similar cases are pending before the European Court, but this is the first to advance to the hearing stage, said Tracey Turner-Tretz, a court spokeswoman.

The complaint brought by the woman against Slovakia's government centers on the claim that she was sterilized through tubal ligation after giving birth in 2000 to her second child by Caesarian section. She was identified only as "V.C." and said to be about 30 years old.

The woman alleges that in the final stages of labor, she was told by staffers at the Presov hospital in eastern Slovakia if she wanted to have more children, either she or the baby would die, the court said in a statement Tuesday. Scared, in pain and confused about the meaning of sterilization, she signed a consent form for the procedure, the court said.

"She also claims that her Roma ethnicity – clearly stated in her medical record – played a decisive role in her sterilization," the statement said, just as the closed-door hearing got under way.

"In particular," the statement went on, "she was placed in the so-called 'Gypsy room' and was not allowed to use the same bathrooms and toilets as non-Roma women."

Hospital managers countered that the sterilization was conducted on medical grounds – amid the risk of a uterus rupture – and denied her claim that she was segregated away from non-Roma patients, the statement said. National courts and investigators in Slovakia did not turn up any wrongdoing by hospital personnel.

A spokesman for the Slovak justice ministry didn't immediately respond to questions.

The woman "continues to suffer" today because of the operation, with feelings of ostracism from the Roma community, the statement said, and her husband has repeatedly left her because of her infertility.

The hearing in the seven-judge chamber concluded Tuesday, and a verdict is not expected for several weeks. Either side could appeal the ruling – possibly sending the case up to the court's Grand Chamber.

The head of a U.S. human rights watchdog called on Slovakia's government "to finally acknowledge cleraly and unequivocally that Romani women in Slovakia were, at once time, targeted for sterilization."

U.S. Rep. Christopher Smith, the chairman of the U.S. Helsinki Commission, said that "as a matter of justice for the victims and truth about the past due to all the people of Slovakia this practice should be condemned as a grave human rights violation."

The Communist governments in Hungary and Czechoslovakia applied a semiofficial policy of forced sterilization to limit the population of Gypsies, whose large families were seen as a burden on the state. The practice ended only in recent years, long after the fall of those regimes.

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myth buster
02:49 AM on 03/25/2011
Since the Roma obviously cannot find any home in Europe, America and/or Israel should take them in.
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Rasputin66
504 reppin and 504 steppin
07:00 PM on 03/24/2011
What is going on with this article? That's like saying something about "N*****s, who prefer to be called 'black or 'African-American.'" Say Roma or Tsigani. This is terrible journalism!!!
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mikehoward74
3/4 of a Human being...
05:25 PM on 03/24/2011
I am posting the following 2 links to some of the most beautifully performed traditional Roma songs that I have ever heard. They are worth listening to, except, of course, for those who already hate us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9webTBSuRz8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwbLCXX3muI&feature=related
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mikehoward74
3/4 of a Human being...
05:42 PM on 03/24/2011
Or, for the Roma version of "You Got Served":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2dMk-vMWS8&NR=1
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Tulka2
Solidarity. Courage. Humor.
06:21 PM on 03/24/2011
Beautiful children with beautiful voices.  The Gandhi School in Hungary.....?  Thanks for broadening my horizons.
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Tmboy
Reading comments messes with my ZEN, but I'm addic
03:00 PM on 03/24/2011
So why does this article keeps calling them Gypsies if they prefer to be called Roma?
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Elizabeth Schwartz
Barack 2012, Hilary 2016!
03:53 PM on 03/24/2011
Gypsy is the commonly-used misnomer for the Roma. Centuries ago, white Europeans saw these dark-skinned strangers and thought they looked like "little Egyptians" - hence, Gypsy. The Roma are from India, not Egypt. There are many different groups of Roma around the world - the Sinti in Germany don't refer to themselves as Roma, neither do the Domari Gypsies of the Middle East. I think people should be called what they want to be called.
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mikehoward74
3/4 of a Human being...
05:02 PM on 03/24/2011
WOW! You have impressive knowledge! I am mixed Domari (Egypt/Persia) and Tsigani (Russia)! Elizabeth, I am blessed to have encountered you here!
10:26 PM on 03/24/2011
Thank you. I am half Roma and Sinti. Machwaya.
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twigtrigtrack
Aquila non capit muscas
05:20 PM on 03/24/2011
Technically you should call the police when you see 'em
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mikehoward74
3/4 of a Human being...
05:52 PM on 03/24/2011
O zlazaro khjal pjeski piri!
10:26 PM on 03/24/2011
Please go away.
12:15 PM on 03/24/2011
Oops, my bad. Wrong thread!
12:14 PM on 03/24/2011
Regarding Darwin: Perhaps people on both sides of the argument are quick to claim him, while he lies somewhere in between. See this excellent scholarly article:

http://www.issr.org.uk/darwin-religion.asp

Nevertheless my argument still stands: the vast majority of the founders of modern science, both in Christian Europe and the Islamic Middle East, were believers.

Furthermore it is well known that in the Qur'an knowledge itself, including scientific knowledge, is highly praised.
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mikehoward74
3/4 of a Human being...
05:03 PM on 03/24/2011
Wrong thread doesn't matter, most of us follow more than one at the same time, and it is always a pleasure to read your intelligent, rational and logical posts!
05:26 PM on 03/24/2011
I'm inspired to see you and Elizabeth representing here. The more of your voices in the world the better. Now the Native Americans have come to the forefront as well.
10:13 AM on 03/24/2011
Racism? Isn't that why we still have Texass in the union, it's a great place to warehouse them.
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RockyMissouri
'You must be carefully taught to hate'...
12:04 PM on 03/24/2011
There are many wonderful Texans... we can't condemn them all...(only the blockheads!)
11:19 AM on 03/25/2011
Very true, while it's easy throw a "racist" blanket over the whole of Texas you in honesty can not.
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Blast Corps
04:31 PM on 03/24/2011
Actually I heard there are more racists in the Midwest than the dirty south :D
04:40 PM on 03/24/2011
"I heard..."

Oh that's a great source of information.
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mikehoward74
3/4 of a Human being...
05:07 PM on 03/24/2011
I have lived in the midwest and the deep south, and while my personal experiences are far from scientific, I can say that I saw no difference in the number of people who are racist between the two, and the only difference I saw was that the Southerners tended to be much more vocal about it. I once heard a great line from an outright racist (and very proud to be so) customer of mine at a bar in New Orleans, "Up North there are just as many racists. WE just have the [insert expletive for male genitalia here] to admit it."
I do think that human beings are hard wired to be very clannish, and that most of us actually have to work at not being so.
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European1919
I am the PigmⒶn
05:19 AM on 03/24/2011
Band-waggon springs to mind.
10:34 PM on 03/23/2011
But ya gotta hand it to the racists on this thread. Really it's tough to be racist in a rapidly globalizing world. Everywhere you turn you have Roma, you have Africans, you have Mexicans... It's not like back in 1492 when everybody was white.
wired
unconditional basic income
12:16 AM on 03/24/2011
Even then, there were Arabs in SE Europe.
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RockyMissouri
'You must be carefully taught to hate'...
07:20 PM on 03/25/2011
And we need to honor the contributions of all cultures: I love, respect and admire them ALL.!
01:32 AM on 03/24/2011
My last sentence was meant as a joke.
10:11 PM on 03/23/2011
There are basically 3 reasons why people are racist:

1. They have very low self-esteem and they try inflate their egos by deflating others and, if possible, destroying them. (The pioneering psychoanalyst Erich Fromm wrote extensively about this.)
2. They have low self-esteem because they do not have a spiritual understanding of themselves and the world. They think that if one group rises - whether it be Jews, Blacks, Irish, Roma - their own group will necessarily fall. And they are consumed with worry over the potential loss of material status: money, prestige, power. They do not see others as fellow human beings but as things.
3. Today it's the Roma they despise, tomorrow it's the Arabs, the next day it's the Mexicans, the next week it's the Russians. This shows that they love no one - not even themselves, for they do not understand what humanity is. This is why it is easy for them to hate: they do not recognize human being. They see the world with extremely materialistic eyes.

However, racists always have the potential to change and become spiritual. But like anything of the heart, whether love or religion, the person cannot be converted; he must convert himself, he must choose freely to abandon the false religion of racism and choose love of humanity.
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RockyMissouri
'You must be carefully taught to hate'...
11:10 PM on 03/23/2011
Love of humanity: I dearly like the sound of that..
wired
unconditional basic income
12:23 AM on 03/24/2011
There is hope: the intermarriage rates between "white" Americans and Hispanics and Asians has increased enormously during the last decade.
"But according to an analysis of the 1990 U.S. Census data for persons ages 25-34 by Reynolds Farley, a demographer with the Russell Sage Foundation, 31.6 percent of native-born Hispanic husbands and 31.4 percent of native-born Hispanic wives had white spouses. The figures were even higher for Asians: 36 percent for native-born Asian husbands and 45.2 percent for native-born Asian wives. (In fact, Asian wives were as likely to marry white Americans as they were to marry Asian-Americans.) The highest intermarriage rates are those of American Indians. Majorities of American Indian men (52.9 percent) and American Indian women (53.9 percent) married whites rather than American Indians (40.3 percent and 37.2 percent, respectively)."
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azatrox
One of those "fake" Americans
12:48 AM on 03/24/2011
Interesting.
06:54 AM on 03/24/2011
Agreed.
09:56 PM on 03/23/2011
The great thing about the Roma is that despite everything they are rising and taking their rightful place among the nations. We all ought to be inspired by their struggle.

Meanwhile, their oppressors are losing, which makes them bitter, frustrated and furious, as we can see on this thread.
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Blast Corps
10:40 PM on 03/23/2011
Who is oppressing Roma people in here?

We are just dumb culturally incompetent Americans who wouldn't even know a Roma if we saw one.
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TheBlondeRaven
09:06 PM on 03/23/2011
If this women didn't have the sterilization, she or the baby, likely both would die if she got pregnant the next time. Keep that in mind. And the hospital simply informed her of this. She under free will signed the papers to have the procedure after all. It sounds more like a case of looking for economic compensation from medical malpractice than a wrongdoing from the hospital.
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Anne Mccormick
09:39 PM on 03/23/2011
if you believe what you've posted boy do i have an alligator swam i can sell you
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TheBlondeRaven
09:45 PM on 03/23/2011
Sell away=) I absolutely belive racism occurs, and have seen people being racists, but in this particular case I do not believe it was a matter of racism. Do you know what I mean?
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new beginning
Practice random acts of kindness-change the world
08:34 AM on 03/24/2011
I agree.
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08:39 PM on 03/23/2011
We need to do that here and end the baby factories that are a drain on our taxes
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Amryxx
politeness rules, but with sharpened edges
08:43 PM on 03/23/2011
Good idea!

While we're at it, we should, ahem, "permanently retire" people over the age of 55; they're not really contributing much.

And the physically- and mentally-disabled? Well, a huge drain - surely no one would object if we put them to "sleep"

Hey, this sounds rather familiar, actually. I'm getting visions of a European country... some time in the 1930s and 40s.
08:52 PM on 03/23/2011
hey that brand of socialism is exactly what barak has in mind with the death panels
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Blast Corps
08:44 PM on 03/23/2011
NO!

Because we are in the land of the freeeeeeeeeeeeeee, and the home of welfareeeeeeeeeee.
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docwindprod
My micro-bio is empty, but my life isn't.
08:34 PM on 03/23/2011
that's the thing american r@c1sts never quite got: it's not just YOU. there are reprehensible r@c1sts EVERYWHERE.

you're not out of the ordinary. you're part of an elaborate structure of institutional xenophobia -- because that's easier than being sensible (truthfully, it's not -- but the bigots beg to differ) -- but, as human beings, you still SUCK. hugely. because, at the root of it, your hatred comes from brown-ness and not-necessarily-christian-ness. and the truth is that your favorite christians support memes that would make jesus projectile vomit.

just saying (as a christian who actually pays attention to what jesus taught).
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Lulo
Lord Snarkist I of Aragon
08:41 PM on 03/23/2011
Nice one. I am sure most Mexicans today would agree with you.
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docwindprod
My micro-bio is empty, but my life isn't.
08:45 PM on 03/23/2011
i see i fanned you previously.

well, on occasion i choose wisely :)
09:06 PM on 03/23/2011
Holder and barak sure have proven it with their actions
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docwindprod
My micro-bio is empty, but my life isn't.
09:30 PM on 03/23/2011
you know -- i'd like to respond to this "comment" with some respect.

but the truth is... it's an empty, unsupported b#llsh#t bumpersticker posted by a profoundly empty vessel. so.... have a wonderful evening, with the understanding that you are the most potent threat to your nation that it has encountered in the last 40 years.

hyp0cr1te.