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Social Conservatives Say Their Issues Are Inextricably Linked With The Economy In 2012

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First Posted: 03/27/11 06:01 PM ET Updated: 05/27/11 06:12 AM ET

DES MOINES –- Social conservatives under pressure to allow the presidential campaign to focus on the economy are pushing back, arguing that the two cannot be disconnected.

As Rep. Michele Bachmann put it in a speech here Saturday: “Social conservatism is fiscal conservatism.”

The Minnesota congresswoman’s line, though an over-simplification, was echoed by numerous social conservatives in conversations with The Huffington Post over the weekend. Their argument is that many of the outcomes that have produced the nation’s economic crisis are, at their core, driven by moral deficiencies: greed, dishonesty, selfishness, cowardice, and the like.

“Go back to Jefferson and Washington. They said, ‘If you want this country to be great, you better first be good,’” said Bob Vander Plaats, the man who has led the charge in Iowa against same-sex marriage. “And so that’s where we’re at saying, ‘You know what, if you think all it is is over here on the economic side while you want all this other stuff to erode, you’re dealing with a house of cards.’”

Rep. Steve King, the Iowa Republican who organized a day-long meeting on Saturday that attracted presidential hopefuls Newt Gingrich, Haley Barbour, Herman Cain and Bachmann, said that “the economic component of this is important, but when it goes wrong it is because it is the byproduct of a society that’s getting off track.”

“We need to work on the economic issues, yes we do. But if we let our society deconstruct, to the point where it’s Godless and faithless and valueless, and it’s every man and woman for himself, collecting the spoils from someone else’s labor, we’re just simply pitted against each other. We’re not a unified people anymore,” King said. “It destroys us as a nation. I want to see a nation that is solidly bound together from a social construct.”

It is something of a change from the past, when religious conservatives often argued that America would rise or fall -- militarily and economically -- based on whether it was following the God of the Bible. God would bless the nation, or curse it, based on its faithfulness to him.

Many would still believe that. But they are moving away from a more fundamentalist argument toward a new, more practical message.

No matter how much social conservatives improve their messaging, however, the debate within the GOP grows contentious when it gets specific. The argument inside the party is not as much about whether everyone is on the same page on social issues -- though there is some of that -- as much as what the GOP’s points of emphasis should be.

Republican presidential hopefuls like Haley Barbour, Tim Pawlenty and Mitt Romney believe that abortion is wrong and that marriage should be between a man and a woman. But when leaders like Vander Plaats and King push them to talk about those issues more frequently, the White House contenders know that they are being asked to play with political fire.

Many independents and Democrats who might be open to voting for a Republican against President Obama in 2012 are likely to be turned off by politicians who spend a lot of time talking about same-sex marriage or abortion.

Barbour, the governor of Mississippi, tried to nudge Iowa conservatives to recognize this in his speech Saturday morning.

“The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing,” Barbour told several hundred political activists and caucus-goers at the all-day event organized by King.

Barbour's speech was a litany of how Obama is wrong on policy: spending and budgets, health care, energy, and the size and role of government.

"The American people agree with us on policy," Barbour said. "We can't lose focus on that."

Barbour has spoken out even more directly on the need to stay focused on the economy in the past.

But Barbour was criticized by another speaker at the King event, Connie Mackey, president of the Family Research Council’s FRCAction PAC, who said of the governor’s “main thing” line: “Maybe that makes sense in Mississippi.”

Gingrich and Bachmann both said Saturday that social issues should not be shunted aside. But while Gingrich took some stands on abortion issues, he made no mention of marriage. Bachmann spent most of her speech talking about government spending and intrusion.

Bachmann said children need two-parent homes, but did not say anything about whether marriage should be between a man and a woman, and expressed empathy for single parents, noting that her parents divorced when she was a child.

Of course all the speakers on Saturday support traditional marriage and oppose abortion. But socially conservative voters and organizers want to hear them say it.

"Once we understand where a candidate is at on their core values, and we believe that they are convicted with their core values on life, on marriage, on separation of powers and the Constitution, on limited government and on free enterprise ... then we want to hear what their vision is," Vander Plaats said.

Iowans in the audience at the King event did not seem concerned about the rift between the wings of the GOP.

“It will work itself out one way or another,” said Bill Griffel, 67, a retired ad salesman and stock broker who said he liked former United Nations ambassador John Bolton and Barbour the most of any in the presidential field.

Bob Haus, a political operative who ran former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson’s Iowa campaign in 2008, said that because social values groups “have been in the trenches for 25, 30 years, they’re very professional and established.”

“It stands to reason they would be first out of the chute with candidate forums and big events,” Haus said.

He said that as the year rolls on, and a broader swath of Iowans become engaged in the campaign, candidates like Romney, Pawlenty and Barbour will move the discussion back to being primarily focused on how to get the economy back on track and help bring down unemployment.

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DES MOINES –- Social conservatives under pressure to allow the presidential campaign to focus on the economy are pushing back, arguing that the two cannot be disconnected. As Rep. Michele Bachman...
DES MOINES –- Social conservatives under pressure to allow the presidential campaign to focus on the economy are pushing back, arguing that the two cannot be disconnected. As Rep. Michele Bachman...
 
 
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10:16 PM on 04/03/2011
I'm all for promoting a socially conservative agenda, I just think the political arena is the wrong place to do it. Spread the good word that I put in my book.

It is not a public policy book it is a personal policy book. The world would be a better place if we raised a generation on it.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/44437016/Teenagers-Say-the-Darndest-Things

Irwin
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mistercoyote
but if I agreed with you we'd both be wrong
11:16 PM on 04/27/2011
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Vikingdave
Treat friend like it's your last time together.
04:20 PM on 03/30/2011
American Social Conservatives or as they are better known to the world at large - "Intellectual Conservatives" - need to have their hand wringing masses become better educated, more scientifically literate, less religiously dogmatic, and better traveled - if they want to be responsible voters and productive members of American society in general.
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Tecmage
Pithy comment here
03:59 PM on 03/30/2011
Rachel Maddow had a good piece on Conservatism last night. Her take was there's two types of conservatives- authoritarian and libertarian. They sell people the idea of small government libertarian conservatism, but give everyone big government authoritarian conservatism. That is a great explanation for what we're seeing- the GOP running on jobs, but spending way too much time on bills that would have the government involved in enforcing their social agenda.

They see HCR as government intruding into personal medical decisions, but have no problem with the government getting involved in personal medical decisions that they don't like
(ie- abortion). Taxpayer funding for pregnancy crisis centers is not how I want my money spent. Didn't we learn from the failure of abstenece-only sex ed? I don't want the IRS spending time making sure that health plans provided by businesses doesn't cover abortions.

These people floor me when they say their for freedom, but expect the government that they don't want in their business, to get into someone elses.
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AbeMartin
The best person fer a job is never a candidate
03:49 PM on 03/30/2011
Q: How many Teapublicans own a copy of The Complete Jefferson (New York, 1943)"
A:  None

Q:  How many Teapublicans ever borrowed a copy of The Complete Jefferson (New York, 1943)? 
A:  None.

Q:   How many Teapublicans have ever heard of The Complete Jefferson (New York, 1943)?
A:   None.

Q:  How many Teapublicans have ever read any of Jefferson's writing outside of having listened to a reading of the Declaration of Independence during a school assembly while throwing spit balls at one another?
A:  Get my drift?


 Empty heads = Empty words believed by other empty heads.  Sad, isn't it.?  This is what presumes to be our leadership?
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HaroldHeckubah
I grok that the GOP is a great wrongness.
11:52 AM on 03/30/2011
Sadly, we Americans are generally only stirred to action by crisis, be it green energy, civil rights, etc. I hope we can get ahead of the curve and cut these wingnuts off at the knees, because I don't want clowns like Bachwards deciding how I should live.
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HaroldHeckubah
I grok that the GOP is a great wrongness.
11:43 AM on 03/30/2011
Conservatives to the rich and corporations: "We gave you tax cuts. Where are the jobs that we need for political cover?" The rich and the CEOs: "Bwahahahahaha!!! Go ahead and lose, we'll just buy whoever replaces you!"
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10:07 AM on 03/30/2011
Social Conservatives Say Their Issues Are Inextricably Linked With Their own personal prejudices and unresolved emotional baggage...
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beau taylor
one piece at the time
09:46 AM on 03/30/2011
I quote Barbour: "The main thing is to keep the main thing, the main thing." Is this reduncedancy at it's best?
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Big Richard
Stuck in the middle with you
03:05 PM on 03/30/2011
Sounds like redundant redundancy.
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beau taylor
one piece at the time
03:34 PM on 03/30/2011
thanks for the comment. maybe I should have spelled it re-dunce-dancy. Which i feel sure works for most of us.
09:34 AM on 03/30/2011
Where are the jobs?
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relentless63
08:17 AM on 03/30/2011
Social conservatives and their issues are just that … their issues. Their thinking proves positively why the divisions of church from state, politics and the economy from religion and social issues are so important.
01:13 AM on 03/30/2011
Oddly this comment, originally posted yesterday, was expunged....

When "fiscally conservative" means conserving public fiscal resources from benefiting those members of society most in need of financial help by labeling them "lazy" or "greedy unionists", while simultaneously subsidizing corporations and banks with the disingenuous justification that all financial benefit to these institutions will translate into job opportunities and benefits; and when "socially conservative" means conserving public social validation from anyone who fails to behave according to the tenets of a certain religious text, the stage is set for the fiscal and social starvation of the average citizen.
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joeinvt
the human being and fish can coexist
06:51 AM on 03/30/2011
Beautifully stated. F&F
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CoastalNC
Good thoughts create good things
10:21 AM on 04/25/2011
fanned
nothingchanges
too soon old, too late smart
12:03 AM on 03/30/2011
SOCIAL CONSERVATIVE?

Even the name is a lie.........................

Social animals help each other, these people help only themselves or those "like" them..

Name one social conservative that embraces conservation or environmental issues.................

Ethical people do not give tax breaks to the wealthy, then cut social programs because "we can't afford them"...............

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
(Gandhi)
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AbeMartin
The best person fer a job is never a candidate
03:52 PM on 03/30/2011
Yeah.  The bumper sticker from the 1980's, "The Christian Right is neither" is, sadly, very true.
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Neenerpuss
If you cant laugh at yourself...someone else will
11:41 PM on 03/29/2011
Any fiscal conservativve with a thinking brain only has to look at the social conservatives issues to figure out whose working against them. Social conservatives want absolutely no abortion. More people are born and have to have social services including infrastructures like schools. SC want an over populated world. SC want gays to conform and marry to produce more children. Again more children more money spent on poor people.

Fiscal conservatives its time to realize what is holding your agenda back. Dump the social conservatives and see how fast things change!