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Life After Being Discharged From The Military Under 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'


First Posted: 03/28/11 03:28 PM ET Updated: 05/28/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Dustin White was ready to serve his country overseas. After signing up for the New Jersey National Guard at the age of 17 and going through a complicated, 24-week training to specialize in electronic missile systems repair, White wanted to do his part and join his friends who were deployed.

But there was one big problem: As a gay man who could not come out because of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy banning openly gay service members, his partner back home wouldn't have access to the support services that heterosexual spouses and partners receive.

"My biggest concern was that if I left, what kind of support would my partner get in any way? And the answer to that was: Zero. No support whatsoever," White told The Huffington Post in an interview.

"Over the course of time, it kind of started eating away at me. I would go to my drill weekend, and I would always hear people talking about their families or their kids, their wives and girlfriends. Everyone was always able to openly talk about their personal life, and I couldn't. I couldn't relate to anybody, and I couldn't share anything about myself personally with anyone because I always had to be afraid if I was going to get kicked out."

White was one of the 261 service members discharged from the military under DADT in fiscal year 2010, according to data obtained by Servicemembers United. Although this figure represented an all-time annual low since the policy began in 1994, many of these discharges came after Defense Secretary Robert Gates told commanders to effectively stop enforcing the ban on openly gay troops.

Gates' order, issued on March 25, 2010, made it harder for third parties to out an individual and raised the rank of officer required to authorize an investigation and ultimately approve a dismissal.

White was discharged in April, just after the change in policy. He said that at the time, he didn't know about Gates' order and doesn't remember ever receiving a formal briefing on it.

Stories like White's are why advocates are pushing the Pentagon to quickly implement repeal of the law.

"[T]hese numbers underscore the need to accelerate the timeline for training and repeal," said Servicemembers Legal Defense Network Executive Director Aubrey Sarvis in a statement. "The reality is that investigations continue and service members are still in danger of being discharged. We look forward to certification by Secretary Gates, Chairman Mullen, and the President as we move toward full repeal. Until we achieve full equality for all LGBT service members, the job is not done."

White outed himself to his commander, a woman he had known when she served as an executive officer in his unit and whom he trusted with his personal information. During a routine meeting, he asked her whether DADT was repealed yet, since there was a significant amount of chatter -- and mixed messages -- about it amongst the service members.

When she told him it wasn't, White nevertheless decided to reveal his sexuality and tell her about the struggles he was having living his personal life in secret. He stressed to The Huffington Post that his commander was incredibly supportive, and told him he had two choices: 1) They could pretend the conversation never happened, and he could continue to serve in the military, or 2) He could be discharged. At no point, however, was he given the option of serving openly.

"She gave me the choice to try to get out honorably, and said that she would do everything in her power to get me out honorably if that was the choice I ended up pursuing," said White. "In the end, it was, but it's not something I wanted to do. I just didn't feel like I wanted to be a part of something that didn't want me to be a part of it."

White was promoted right before he was discharged. He graduated with honors from the New Jersey National Guard Youth Challenge Academy and basic training. Despite these accolades, he did not receive an honorable discharge and is now working with SLDN to get that changed.

White said he knew that his direct commander and battalion commander recommended him for an honorable discharge and assumes that something changed at the brigade commander and/or general level, although he doesn't know what. He eventually received a "general discharge under honorable conditions."

"I know the general had to have decided to put me under a general discharge, because he's the one who signs off on it and makes that decision ... even though he's supposed to take the recommendation of his officers," said White, who noted that he was even promoted right before his discharge. "In this case, it seems like he chose not to."

The New Jersey Army National Guard did not return a request for comment.

White is now earning his associate's degree and working as an on-site computer technician. So far, his discharge hasn't affected his employment prospects, and in the interview for his current job, the military never came up.

"But it's still always in the back of my mind when I apply for a job," said White. "I'm always wondering whether they're going to find my record and what it's going to say. What is it going to make them think about me as a person? I did everything that I had to do in the military. I always did my job, supported other soldiers, and I performed my duties to the best of my ability. I never got in trouble, never had any disciplinary actions taken against me. If that general discharge that I received makes people think less of me in any way, it really is a shame, because I don't think I did anything to deserve that."

Being discharged also affected White financially. After he left the service, he received a letter from the military demanding that he pay back $8,000, the unearned portion of his enlistment bonus. (Recently, prominent LGBT activist Dan Choi went through a similar controversy.)

So in addition to paying for his tuition, for which he receives no G.I. Bill assistance, he is now having to make monthly payments on the $8,000.

"I think that everyone should know what type of effect it has on somebody in the military and how it can change their life -- getting kicked out for just being who you are," said White. "It's very stressful. It's definitely financially stressful. I was going through a lot of emotional stress too at the time ... I was hoping that once I got out of the military, I wouldn't happen to really look back. I could continue my life with my partner and move on and ... start a new life. With all these bills that I get and paying them every month, they're almost, in a way, haunting of me. Even though I tried to get away and separate myself from that because I didn't want to live a lie anymore, it just seems like something that won't go away for a long time."

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WASHINGTON -- Dustin White was ready to serve his country overseas. After signing up for the New Jersey National Guard at the age of 17 and going through a complicated, 24-week training to specialize ...
WASHINGTON -- Dustin White was ready to serve his country overseas. After signing up for the New Jersey National Guard at the age of 17 and going through a complicated, 24-week training to specialize ...
WASHINGTON -- Dustin White was ready to serve his country overseas. After signing up for the New Jersey National Guard at the age of 17 and going through a complicated, 24-week training to specialize ...
WASHINGTON -- Dustin White was ready to serve his country overseas. After signing up for the New Jersey National Guard at the age of 17 and going through a complicated, 24-week training to specialize ...
 
 
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04:29 PM on 03/31/2011
Tomorrow marks 100 days since President Barack Obama signed repeal, but until certification Don't Ask Don't Tell is still the law of the land.

Please contract President Obama and ask that he expedite certification.

Enough is enough.
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11:49 AM on 03/29/2011
No matter how you feel about DADT, it is a legal order passed by congress and signed by the President. This law is almost 20 years old, everyone is aware it exists. If you are unable or unwilling to abide by the laws, rules, and regulations of the military, why would you join? There is no mandate forcing you to serve. And it's not like the military snoops into bedrooms at night, all you need to do is to keep your private life private and you can serve honorably until you choose to leave the service. So why would you even think about signing your name to a contract when you knew you can't or won't follow the terms of the contract?
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RealConservativeAmerican
Conservation is Key
12:43 PM on 03/29/2011
Uh. . . because you're a fighter and you fight for what's right. Because tyou want to serve your country but you want to do so with honesty & integrity. . . .Because you want to serve your country and you know that laws can be changed.
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01:13 PM on 03/29/2011
If you want to be honest and have integrity then you should speak up before you sign the papers. How can you state that you have honor and integrity while signing a contract you have no intention to keep?
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RealConservativeAmerican
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12:48 PM on 03/29/2011
I'm sympathetic to those who fight for what's right, fight for the opportunity to serve, and fight for their right to maintain their honesty & integrity. Playing the victim role is less appealing. Fight!
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01:14 PM on 03/29/2011
Fight for what is right, then join the service.
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practiceempathy
Tolerance need not yield to willful ignorance.
11:09 AM on 03/29/2011
"I think that everyone should know what type of effect it has on somebody in the military and how it can change their life -- getting kicked out for just being who you are," said White. "It's very stressful."

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Well, systematic shaming imposed upon you by the allegedly morally superior will do that to you.
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Ioan Lightoller
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03:27 PM on 03/29/2011
Yep. And many of us have lived a lifetime of that shaming.
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
11:01 AM on 03/29/2011
In a separate post (see below) DTOM1776 implied that a homosexual person was not protected by the Constitution because of his/her homosexuality and in that he would be correct were it not for the fact that unlike African/Americans he is not vilified by the Constitution.  The Constitution is open to acceptance based on changing mores and a changing society and the Founders were well aware of this.  And as such, by it's not being specifically prohibited by the Constituion, homosexual people, like women have the same rights as all Americans.
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Ioan Lightoller
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03:16 PM on 03/29/2011
This is a point the Reichies refuse to accept. Of course the Constitution can embrace changing mores and customs. It was designed to be a self-correcting document. The fact that it has worked, even if not at the past various groups would have liked, is proof of that. Not surprised, though. Relgious fundamentalists tend to be political reactionaries as well.
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Ioan Lightoller
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04:16 PM on 03/29/2011
Sorry, meant to say "...at the pace...".
10:39 AM on 03/29/2011
For those of you who likes to make a distinction between discrimination based on race or behavior, here is my view on it:

For a behavior to be punished by a government or to limits one's fundamental and civil rights because of its behavior, the behavior should create serious harm to others. The fact that homosexuality shocks one values or distress someone is not a sufficient pretext to discriminate against this behavior. If you don't like seeing 2 guys holding hands or kissing or two woman getting off without a man in between, it is your own problem, not theirs. Homosexuals and bisexuals, whether they are woman, man or transgender, contribute to all spheres of society, they should not be discriminate on any consideration, especially when it comes to authorities. They have the right to equal treatments such as any other groups.

Call it a behavior, a choice, innate, unnatural (to my knowledge GLBT people are not coming out of a factory in China, they are created the same way as any human being), a deviance, marginal, what ever makes you happy: gays and lesbian are not creating any harm, they should be treated equally.
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Ioan Lightoller
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03:20 PM on 03/29/2011
Fanned and faved, LaMadame! Very well said. No one says anyone has to engage in something that they do not wish to--it is only natural that as a straight person, they would not be attracted to same-sex activity. But if they don't like GLBT PDAs, look away--go do something else. I'm not much into PDAs myself, other than a discrete peck on the cheek or forehead from my husband. Some of the straight PDAs are often very tacky and close to pornographic. Do I scream about it. No, I look away and do something to more profitably occupy my time. And you are right: we harm no one so there should be NO discrimination.
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PrairieGayCompanion
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07:00 AM on 03/29/2011
Why is it that an ubiquitous thread like Trump's Birtherism is on full moderation yet this thread which is an invitation to hate filled bigots is not?
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elijah24
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01:39 PM on 03/29/2011
I'm glad it's not. It allows the good guys to tell the hate-filled bigots what we really think of them.
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Ioan Lightoller
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03:21 PM on 03/29/2011
I'm glad, too elijah24. It does get wearying to have to constantly take them on. It's nice to have a break now and then.
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jeremyfive
06:40 AM on 03/29/2011
Any person discharged from DADT is a friend of mine.

Our military has become an absolute disgrace in recent years, with the hate, corruption and heterosexual sex debauchery at military training centers. As a taxpayer, I am purely disgusted.
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11:51 AM on 03/29/2011
And those who engage in "heterosexu­al sex debauchery" are dismissed or worse as well. This isn't a one way street.
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portabello
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12:52 PM on 03/29/2011
No one said it was. It was merely pointed out that it was a two way street.

Glad you understood his post.
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elijah24
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01:42 PM on 03/29/2011
Jeremy, Your charges against the military are not ill-founded, but please don't paint us all with the same brush. I've fought vigorously for equality for my gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. And I know a lot of other soldiers who have done likewise.
Like any organization, the military is made up of good, kind, loving, patriotic people; and self-righteous, bigoted, corrupt and depraved disgraces to my uniform.
Unfortunately, its the disgraces which make the news, but I assure you that they do not make up the majority.
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Ioan Lightoller
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03:25 PM on 03/29/2011
Jeremy, elijah24 has been a staunch ally. If we don't all wish to be tarred with the same brush, we should not be doing it to others.
unique
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12:36 AM on 03/29/2011
From someone that is straight.
My suggestion is do not join the service
until they can treat you as an equal.
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09:39 AM on 03/29/2011
I see your point but if we don't join and demand to be treated equally that equality won't come IMO.
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Belle Starr
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11:40 AM on 03/29/2011
I would think it becomes harder for a bagger to deny a decorated gay/lesbian serviceman/woman their rights, but I think the reality is they only care about rich, straight, old white men.
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portabello
Some of my best friends are Truffles
12:57 PM on 03/29/2011
Yeah, and as someone who is white should I suggest that Black's sit at the back of the bus until society at large says it's ok to sit up front?

NO.

Sometimes you have to fight for what is right. Sometimes you have to show a little courage and conviction. Sometimes the easy way, the coward's way is not acceptable, nor should it be.
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elijah24
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01:44 PM on 03/29/2011
F&F!!!
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Gjorg
12:05 AM on 03/29/2011
You really don't need fancy tests to prove this. Most schoolyard bully's who bully gays turn out gay later in life and there's that old saying about thou doth protest to much etc..........
12:05 AM on 03/29/2011
White: "Over the course of time, it kind of started eating away at me. I would go to my drill weekend, and I would always hear people talking about their families or their kids, their wives and girlfriends. Everyone was always able to openly talk about their personal life, and I couldn't. I couldn't relate to anybody, and I couldn't share anything about myself personally with anyone because I always had to be afraid if I was going to get kicked out."

This is the facet of the unfairness of the DADT policy that seems to always escape discussion.

Inasmuch as, in effect, DADT restricts gay people from discussion of their personal lives, then NO service members should be able to discuss their personal lives. No wearing of wedding rings. No photos of loved ones in living quarters. No NOTHING personal. It should be BUSINESS ONLY.

Through discussion of their personal lives, in contrast to their gay counterpart's silence of their own personal lives, straight service members make it painfully obvious who is gay, and who isn't - effectively "telling" that the silent service members are gay.

If all service members were equally restricted from discussion of their personal lives under DADT, the policy would have lasted - what - maybe one week?
10:28 PM on 03/28/2011
Good enough to die for our freedom, but not good enough to be treated with respect and dignity. Sick.
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Ioan Lightoller
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04:33 PM on 03/29/2011
Fanned and faved. Sad that they fight for our freedoms but are expected to lead a second-class existence.
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09:32 PM on 03/28/2011
Jeez, I feel so bad for those guys. In the early 2000's, I recruited students for a college. One of the students I recruited was a young Latino guy in the Air Force. I do not really know his story, but from some of the issues and things he said about leaving the Air Force "quickly" and his family telling him not to "bother coming home to Texas b/c they didn't want to see him," I had surmised that it was probably a departure under DADT. It was my custom to phone each student the Friday before the academic quarter started to let them know that all their paperwork & financial aid was in good shape, and to also wish them well, since I would not be speaking with them again. Going forward, their Academic Advisers would be assisting them. He & I had had many phone conversations and it was actually sad to say goodbye to him----he was a really decent, kind, responsible guy. While on the phone that day with him, he started thanking me, saying that I helped him turn his life around, and telling me how grateful he was. I managed to hold it together on the call, but after I hung up, I was an emotional mess. Right now typing this, I can hardly see they keys.
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Ioan Lightoller
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03:29 PM on 03/29/2011
Sad that no matter how decent and law-abiding we are, the haters always have "reasons" to hate and to discriminate against us. I can imagine that final call was very hard on you. Fanned and faved. Beautifully-said.
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samtee
Shankapotomus.
08:47 PM on 03/28/2011
You knew the rules, get over it.
09:24 PM on 03/28/2011
Just like Rosa Parks. She knew the rules.
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09:51 PM on 03/28/2011
Exactly!

Fanned and marked favorite.
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DTOM1776
Veritas Liberabit Vos
05:26 AM on 03/29/2011
Greetings YoMama

Fail. On the legal equivalence comparison between the characteristics of race and homosexual behavior.

Protection of discrimination is granted for traits that have the following characteristics:

Inborn
Involuntary
Immutable
Innocuous
In the Constitution

A person’s race has all of these characteristics. Homosexual behavior has NONE.
10:45 PM on 03/28/2011
The new rules say this discrimination is unacceptable.

Are you going to be able to deal with that?
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08:42 PM on 03/28/2011
For all you "they knew the rules" people, Rosa Parks "knew the rules" when she got on that bus. African-Americans knew the rules in the segregated south. Jews & homosexuals knew the rules in 1930's Germany.
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samtee
Shankapotomus.
08:47 PM on 03/28/2011
And?
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leggs67
12:45 PM on 03/29/2011
And???? OK because of such blind adherence to dogma, many Jews were murdered in the Krakow Ghetto and before during and after that time frame, because of just wanting equal rights (or just trying to live) many blacks were lynched. You act like you have no knowledge of history.
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elijah24
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02:14 PM on 03/29/2011
And maybe you should take a hard look in the mirror, and realize on which side of history you're ending up.
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09:45 PM on 03/28/2011
Fanned and marked as a favorite.
Don't let the homophobes wear you down.
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MistyCG
08:07 PM on 03/28/2011
God Bless all the men and women who serve. Next step, Marriage Equality.
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gaydood
HAPPY PRIDE !!!!!!!!
08:08 PM on 03/28/2011
OK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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