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Ohio Abortion Heartbeat Bill Approved By House Panel

Ohio Abortion Bill

JULIE CARR SMYTH   03/30/11 06:30 PM ET   AP

COLUMBUS, Ohio — A state House committee on Wednesday narrowly approved a bill that would impose the strictest abortion limit in the nation, outlawing the procedure at the first detectable fetal heartbeat.

The Health Committee voted 12-11 to approve the so-called Heartbeat Bill. The bill would need to be approved by the House, where its future is uncertain.

Supporters led by Janet Folger Porter, the director of the Faith2Action network of pro-family groups and a former legislative director of the anti-abortion group Ohio Right to Life, have hoped aloud that the bill sparks a legal challenge to the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling legalizing abortion.

"What I want to tell you is, this is our moment to do what we've been working for, praying for, hoping for, for 38 years," Porter told the committee in a final impassioned plea for the bill's passage.

Porter has led a charge to line up a host of high-profile supporters for the bill. They have included Cincinnati physician Jack Willke, a former president of the National Right to Life Committee and founder of the International Right to Life Federation, and Phil Burress, whose Citizens for Community Values led the charge to ban gay marriage, among others.

But Porter doesn't have the support of Ohio Right to Life, which fears the legal challenge she seeks could jeopardize other abortion limits in Ohio and expand access to legal abortions.

"As drafted, our position has been very clear. This bill had numerous negative consequences and unintended consequences," said Ohio Right to Life executive director Mike Gonadakis. "It's the right idea at the wrong time. Timing's everything in the pro-life movement."

Gonadakis said an unsuccessful court challenge that makes it to the U.S. Supreme Court could end up overturning Ohio's informed consent law, which mandates that a physician must meet with a woman seeking an abortion at least 24 hours before the procedure and that the woman must be given certain information and sign a consent form. He said the group has consulted its lawyers and will continue to share their thoughts with House members in hopes of blocking a vote by the full chamber.

The Roe v. Wade ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a woman's right to an abortion until fetal viability. A fetus is usually considered viable at 22 to 24 weeks. Fetal heartbeats can be detected as early as six weeks.

NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio executive director Kellie Copeland blasted those who backed the heartbeat measure in Wednesday's vote.

"This just shows this committee doesn't give a damn about the reproductive rights of Ohio women nor does it trust them to make their own decisions," Copeland said. "And I would encourage everyone who cares about women's reproductive health care to remember this the next time they go to the polls."

Democrats have spoken out passionately against the measure. One of them, Rep. Nickie Antonio, who represents part of the Cleveland area, anticipates a divisive fight all the way to the Supreme Court.

State Rep. Bob Hagan, a Youngstown Democrat, recalled visiting a speakeasy in his hometown in the late 1960s and discovering illegal abortions were taking place. He said the girlfriend of a local official died during one of the procedures.

He said he cast his no vote for women, including his wife and seven sisters.

"I speak out for women who sometimes aren't participating in the legislative process," he said.

Committee Chairman Lynn Wachtmann, of northwest Ohio, was the only Republican on the panel to speak in favor of the bill.

GOP Rep. Todd McKenney, a lawyer, offered an amendment that would have delayed implementation of the bill until the end of the current two-year legislative session. He said this would prevent the legal impacts of the bill from interfering with a post-viability abortion ban that's also moving through the committee.

McKenney said he didn't think the bill could pass constitutional muster. He said he was willing to vote in favor of the bill but hoped to slow it down.

The statement prompted Democrats to ask whether voting on an unconstitutional bill violated a lawmaker's oath to uphold the U.S. and Ohio constitutions.

Porter said it is Roe v. Wade that is unconstitutional, likening a future fight over the Heartbeat Bill to efforts that eventually overturned the Supreme Court's 1857 Dred Scott decision, which found slaves of African descent had no claim to freedom or citizenship.

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COLUMBUS, Ohio — A state House committee on Wednesday narrowly approved a bill that would impose the strictest abortion limit in the nation, outlawing the procedure at the first detectable fetal...
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06:39 PM on 04/22/2011
I dont think that abortion is the real problem at hand here. Its unwanted pregnancies. Abortion is only a symptom of this problem, not the problem itself. Put more money towards sex education. Unwanted pregnancies will decrease, abortions will decrease. I dont think that by limiting our rights the real problem will be attacked and conquered, it will only glossed over. Education and knowledge will only improve the quality of life.
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Bianca Befana
...Teach your children well...
07:06 PM on 04/01/2011
I would like to see these pro-lifers help by putting their MONEY where their MOUTH is and work for a different cause. Why not visit the numerous foster care facilities? Go ahead & dare yourself to make a difference in a child's life and adopt that child. The child who is existing w/out stability, family & especially LOVE. Keep that child safe until they are least 18, and give them a home, pay for their clothes, food, education, medical, etc. But more importantly find a LIVING CHILD IN NEED, one who is quite alone in the world. Save your rants & change a life by LOVING THE REAL CHILD...not the non-existent one!
01:56 AM on 04/02/2011
That happens a lot as pro-lifers are some of the least selfish people you could meet. So how about coming down from this "if I can't touch the thing it doesn't exist attitude" and look at medical facts.
With todays technology it's becoming more difficult to justify abortion as a solution to a "mistake" - don't hide behind "Women's rights" as an excuse to kill a baby that has done nothing wrong - try taking responsibility for your actions (you didn't get pregnant from a toilet seat) - not easy but it is the right thing to do.
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Bianca Befana
...Teach your children well...
10:50 AM on 04/02/2011
I am not condoning the use of abortion as a means of birth control. I'm simply stating that pro-lifer's concerns center upon the child...what about the mother...and how about the father taking responsibility too. You're right, a woman doesn't get pregnant by a toilet seat, yet the repugnicans & right-wingers want to close Planned Parenthood, which helps to educate young people regarding sex education & preventions of unwanted pregnancies BEFORE abortion appears on the table! The right wants to also take away ALL freedom concerning choice about many things, not only Women's Rights. BTW are YOU A MAN? If you are...I can see why you would have an opinion about a woman's body! If you are a WOMAN, you've been brainwashed & betty-crockered into the '50's. Stay there!
10:21 PM on 04/02/2011
Bianca,
It's funny that you say that we need to put our MONEY where our mouth is considering we PAY for just as much as you do. Having a baby is a choice you make right when you spread legs. It is not just like going shopping. You give your consent the moment you have sex. If you are raped then that is only something you have to deal with. You will only be considered a strong woman going through with the pregnancy than cocking out and having an abortion. The "Real" children who need to be adopted wouldn't be here today if that parent didn't make the choice to have the child. Trust me, if I knew I couldn't handle having a child I would give the child up for adoption and find the right parents. Women who have abortions just don't want to deal with the time of finding adoptive parents. There's no reason to not have a baby in all actuality. I think if you are worried about cost of pregnancy you could find adoptive parents who would be willing to pay to have a child, especially if they cant have one on their own. Take it as a blessing you are able to have a child.
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Bianca Befana
...Teach your children well...
09:16 AM on 04/03/2011
Heidi17, I hope you never have to go through the turmoil of rape. Or have anyone in your family experience that horror. How dare you state "rape is something you have to deal with." Do you speak from experience? Have you ever assisted at a Women's abuse shelter? That's a real eye-opener YOU would have to deal with. If you can't have children, sorry, but why not adopt a child who is stuck in the system? I find your comments against your fellow women...soulless.
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BornOKtheFirstTime
pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo
04:21 PM on 04/01/2011
God loves abortion anyway. He performs thousands of spontaneous abortions everyday and no one sheds a tear. We all need to be more godlike and support abortion.
10:30 PM on 04/01/2011
You are mistaken -ask any women who had a miscarriage - it is something she will never forget and caused many tears to be shed. check for a pulse - you have no heart.
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BornOKtheFirstTime
pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo
02:46 PM on 04/02/2011
It's estimated that between 25 and 50% of conceptions spontaneously abort. Reserachers do not have an exact figure due to the fact that when this occurs very early on, many women do not know they were even pregnant. Living life outside the Jesus bubble can be a very good and enlightening experience. Try it.
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Apathy Man
he who laughts last really didn't get the joke
01:44 AM on 04/04/2011
where in that bible of yours do they talk about abortion/ the closes they come to it is if a man causes a woman to loose her child he has to pay for it. if god was against abortions he should have put it down...preferably somewhere before the law against sleeping with animals.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
03:51 AM on 04/01/2011
If life begins at conception as christians constantly claim, then please tell me why you cant remove a fetus from the uterus without it dying? I thought so. Someone will make some stupid excuse, yet the facts are there. Life begins at BIRTH not conception.
10:50 AM on 04/01/2011
This law is not about proving life begins at conception but stops the killing of baby's that have grown to the stage that it has it's own heartbeat. The idea that" because the baby couldn't survive if removed from the mother" means you can kill it at any time is as logical as saying a car accident victim is not allowed to live if he required life support assistance to stay alive until he healed. Hope this helps with the "facts"
03:44 PM on 04/01/2011
The possession of a heart that beats does not confer personhood. A viable fetus is one that can survive when removed from the mother. When a fetus has developed to the point where it can carry on independent processes of life on it's own, then and only then is it an independent being. The laws currently on the books use viability as the standard, which means that you cannot kill it at anytime you wish, as you suggest. That is simply false.

Your analogy is not logical. An accident victim is not equivalent to a developing fetus, since at not time prior to viability has the fetus ever been capable of sustaining it's own independent life processes. Please acquaint yourself with the term fact. Your arguments qualify as "facts" since they are not truly factual in nature, but you attempt to present them in that way.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
04:04 PM on 04/01/2011
The idea that a fetus is a baby means you can be a rape victim at any time. Read the story about the 11 year old girl that was gang raped by 18 men in Texas. That was inspired by this notion of "pro rape/life"
03:37 PM on 04/01/2011
Life does begin at conception, it's silly to say otherwise. However life alone is not enough to confer personhood. Personhood is achieved by birth. Cells that contain human DNA and carry on cellular respiration are alive, but they are not people, this is why we do not cry over tumors.

Laws apply to people not "life", if they did then quite a few of us would be very very guilty of numerous murders be they vegetable, bacterial, viral or animal. People are human beings who have been born, laws apply to them.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
03:53 PM on 04/01/2011
Life does begin at conception, it's silly to say otherwise

If you give the christians an inch, they will take a mile. its silly to say otherwise.
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
03:54 PM on 04/01/2011
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ninetailedfox
banning people.....so childish
03:49 AM on 04/01/2011
"God" commits abortion, what do you think a miscarriage is? Gotta love christian ignorance. Oh and they keep going on about how they care about the environment and other issues, who are they kidding? Im not buying into that. Most christians care about one person only, themselves.
09:33 PM on 03/31/2011
Take a deep breath. Now think -HEARTBEAT- you know that is easiest way to check for signs of life.. how can taking a life be right . The whole rape discussion doesn't apply. Now it comes down to responsibly. This isn't the 50s when their was not way to prevent pregnancy. It's time to balance the right to "freedom of choice" with a little basic protection for little babies. If your a "Progressive" than this is a good chance to show it. Obama thinks it's ok to kill the baby if it actually survived an abortion so the learning curve for him will be steep.

oba
01:31 AM on 04/01/2011
I think you're little confused. Fetuses do not have a pulse. It's the viability, and heartbeat doesn't indicate viability. End of story, if the mass of cells is incapable of independent life, it's not a "baby".
We also check for breath as a sign of life, guess what does not possess a breath? Guess also what confers personhood? That's right the first breath. How about a little basic protection for actual developed human beings? A right to control their own bodies?

Obama never said any such idiocy and if you folks don't stop with the hysterical and ridiculous lies upon lies, you'll be the ones scratching your heads trying to figure out what happened.
11:06 AM on 04/01/2011
" End of story"
In the past they said the same about women and black people so I guess if people just layed down and accepted the degrading (or in this case killing) of human life than we will never make this a fair and just .
Fun Fact!!
In 1997, Obama voted in the Illinois Senate against SB 230, a bill designed to prevent partial-birth abortions.
If some Judge says your life has no value does that make it so.
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Ron Weaver
Whatever it takes
04:49 PM on 03/31/2011
The Tea Party successfully convinced many people if it was possible to get this new Party up and running and attracted enough support they could make many of their idealogies come true. Depending on the success and strength in the three branches of Government they could possibly attain the biggest prize of all. A Government mandated monolithic Christian God. If anyone believes this isn't a realistic goal within the Tea Partyy, guess again. Could they pull this off? Probably not but it's still scary. The Tea Pary believes God is the answer to everthing. Well their God anyhow.
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
02:48 PM on 03/31/2011
Are the legally deaf allowed abortions?
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Kelly Jade
01:33 PM on 03/31/2011
Soo...the GOP is taking their stances from Homer Simpson?
"It's uterUS not uterYOU"?
09:23 AM on 03/31/2011
My feeling has long been that if men were the ones who had abortions a law would have been passed in the 1800's legalizing them and the subject would have never been brought up again.
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
02:44 PM on 03/31/2011
I disagree. No legislation would have been necessary. It would have been in the Bill of Rights!
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ambrecel
07:46 AM on 03/31/2011
This procedure is a choice, to limit choices for women is unacceptable. They have the right to choose. If you go this route, I am certainly going to go after weapons, why let you have the choice to have them?
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onionboy
Blessed are the Cheese Makers
02:46 PM on 03/31/2011
In terms of infringement on rights, forcing women to carry children to term is the same as forcing women to have abortions. Anti-choice legislation is implicitly endorsing the actions of governments that force women to have abortions. They don't seem to get that.
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laxfamily
07:35 AM on 03/31/2011
It is great that Ohio elected officials are so much smarter than I am and are protecting me from myself when it comes to my unterus. Why should I be able to choose what I do with my body when they are so much better at making these decisions for me? I know, sounds like a nanny state to me, but hey, I'm just an Ohio Democrat so what do I know? Ohio, you get what you ask for and we knew that the Ohio GOP was like this!
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Howdy from Hicksvillle
06:07 AM on 03/31/2011
The GOP, once against has this nation on the brink of disaster as it wages an endlessly worthless culture war... and the war they have chosen is against the Unions, the unemployed, women's rights, the poor, the disenfranchised, the middle class and now they want to shut down the Government and Newt is on TV every freaking day, blah blah blather blather blah.... Break out the high waisted acid washed jeans, rent Braveheart and listen to Coolio's Gangsta Paradise, we are going full on retro baby and it ain't gonna be pretty.
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crydespite
no-one is ever 'just saying'
05:18 AM on 03/31/2011
Charia Law. = Christian Sharia. You heard it here first...
04:13 AM on 03/31/2011
A heartbeat? In other words, this law basically outlaws abortion. Are you listening, American women. That sound is your reproductive rights being flushed down the toilet.