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More Die In Second Day Of Quran Burning Protests In Afghanistan

By PATRICK QUINN   04/ 2/11 07:41 PM ET   AP

KABUL, Afghanistan -- Afghans rioted for a second day Saturday to protest the burning of a Quran in Florida, killing nine people in Kandahar and injuring more than 80 in a wave of violence that underscored rising anti-foreign sentiment after nearly a decade of war.

The desecration at a small U.S. church has outraged Muslims worldwide, and in Afghanistan it further strained ties with the West. On Friday, 11 people were killed, including seven foreign U.N. employees, in a protest in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.

The protests come at a critical juncture as the U.S.-led coalition gears up for an insurgent spring offensive and a summer withdrawal of some troops, and with Afghanistan's mercurial president increasingly questioning international motives and NATO's military strategy.

Two suicide attackers disguised as women blew themselves up and a third was gunned down Saturday when they used force to try to enter a NATO base on the outskirts of Kabul, NATO and Afghan police said. Earlier in the week, six U.S. soldiers died during an operation against insurgents in eastern Afghanistan near Pakistan, where the Taliban retain safe havens.

President Hamid Karzai expressed regret for the 20 protest deaths, but he also further stoked possible anti-foreign sentiment by again demanding that the United States and United Nations bring to justice the pastor of the Dove Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, where the Quran was burned March 20. Many Afghans did not know about the Quran-burning until Karzai condemned it four days after it happened.

The pastor, the Rev. Terry Jones, had threatened to destroy a copy of Islam's holy book last year but initially backed down. On Friday he said Islam and its followers were responsible for the killings.

U.S. President Barack Obama extended his condolences to the families of those killed by the protesters and said desecration of the Quran "is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry." But he said that does not justify attacking and killing innocent people, calling it "outrageous and an affront to human decency and dignity."

In the southern city of Kandahar, the cradle of the Taliban, hundreds of Afghans holding copies of the Quran over their heads marched in protest of the burning. Security forces shot in the air to disperse the crowd, but it was unclear how the protesters were slain, said Zalmai Ayubi, a spokesman for the provincial governor.

The Kandahar governor's office said nine protesters were killed and 81 others were injured in the demonstration that turned into a riot. Seventeen people, including seven armed men, have been arrested, the statement said.

The protests began Friday in Kabul, Herat in western Afghanistan and Mazar-i-Sharif, where thousands flooded the streets.

In Mazar-i-Sharif, Afghan demonstrators stormed a U.N. compound, shooting and killing four Nepalese guards, a Norwegian, a Romanian and a Swede. Afghan authorities suspect insurgents melded into the mob; they announced the arrest of more than 20 people, including a militant they suspect was the ringleader of the assault.

The top U.N. envoy in Afghanistan, Staffan de Mistura, said the organization was temporarily redeploying 11 staff members from Mazar-i-Sharif to Kabul.

"This is not an evacuation, it is a temporary redeployment because the office is not functioning. We will be ready to go back as soon as we can establish an office that is secure enough," he told reporters.

The U.N. Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, known as UNAMA, has some 1,500 staff – about 80 percent Afghans – operating in 18 regional and provincial offices across the country and in liaison offices in neighboring Pakistan and Iran.

In late 2009, the U.N. sent about 600 foreign staff out of the country or into secure compounds after three gunmen stormed a Kabul guest house used by U.N. staff and killed 11 people, including five U.N. workers.

Karzai has in recent months increasingly criticized both the international community and U.S.-led foreign forces – the first for being ineffectual and unaccountable, the second for causing unnecessary civilian casualties in its campaign against insurgents.

Some Western diplomats privately say Karzai stoked some of the tension in recent days by making speeches about issues that had not gained much attention in the country, including the Quran burning.

De Mistura, however, said he drew no connection between the riots and Karzai's earlier condemnation of the Quran-burning. He said it takes "two to three weeks for information to percolate. It's not like in the West. Then it goes through the mosque and then through the Friday prayers."

"I don't think we should be blaming any Afghan. We should be blaming the person who produced the news – the one who burned the Quran," he said.

Although the Taliban are responsible for the vast majority of killings in Afghanistan, civilian casualties from coalition operations are a major source of strain in the country's relationship with the United States. The deaths tend to generate widespread outrage and Karzai has said they will no longer be tolerated.

The politicking could be part of an effort to reach out to the Taliban as Karzai tries to build bridges with the insurgents as part of a peace and reconciliation process. He and his advisers no longer refer to the Taliban as insurgents. They are often referred to as armed opposition groups.

The Taliban themselves have no such qualms and openly call for the overthrow of Karzai's government. Last week about 300 Taliban fighters overran the tiny capital of a remote mountainous district in northeast Nuristan province and raised their flag over city hall.

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Associated Press writers Deb Riechmann and Amir Shah in Kabul, and Mirwais Khan in Kandahar contributed to this report.

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gregory57
Micro-bio, was one of my favorite classes.
06:01 PM on 04/07/2011
Jones willfully desecrated an object held sacred by Muslims. The resultant violence was predicitable. Jones was pre-warned of the consequences, and chose to go ahead with the desecration despite warnings that violence would result. J

Jones is clearly culpable. Whether or not his actions are Constitutionally protected is not part of the equation.
02:30 PM on 04/04/2011
When many Christians were insulted a few years ago with pictures of the Mother of Jesus smeared with animal dung and a display of a crucifx placed in a urine filled jar we were all advised that this is art and it has constutional protection. In response the offended party (Christians) never rioted, burned things, or engaged in beheadings.

To assert that the actions of Pastor Sapp caused riots is nonsense. The decision to riot was not forced by the burning of a Quran. It was an act of free will on the part of the rioters. To often the left of center apologists place political correctness ahead of the constutional rights of our citzens.
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04:39 PM on 04/04/2011
I agree with everything you said except for the last sentence. I have seen just as many attempts at the suppression of speech from the Right as the Left. How many times did Bush try to shut people up by saying essentially you either agree with us or you are in favor the enemy? The hypersensitivity of the Left and the phony patriotism of the Right are both instruments of suppression, attempts to control speech and the political dialogue(if we can call it a dialog at this point).
08:27 PM on 04/04/2011
OneFish, kudos for civil dialouge. In principal I think you and I agree. In particulars we could both site examples from both sides that seem to question free speech. The bottom line for me is let all views be aired (the open market place of ideas). I don't think that rioting is an appropriate response to any act of free speech from either side. I don't recall that I had the urge to behead anyone when Sinead O'Conner disrespected the Pope on SNL. There have been death threats made against those who challenge Islam. There are some differences. But again, I appreciate your thoughtful comments on this topic. I host a Radio Show and would welcome your commentary in that forum. Stay well !!
07:22 AM on 04/04/2011
You go rev. when we tried to ship our bibles to our beloved american troops. They were confiscated we owe the savages over in the middle east nothing. we in the US should have a national Burn a Quran Day. Along with bring our troops home day followed by Nuke the sand monkeys day. We don't belong over their never did. Maybe seeing what the Rev has done more americans will grow apair and demand our troops come home now.
03:00 PM on 04/04/2011
Well said, those who live life on their knees have trouble when it comes to taking a stand.
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gregory57
Micro-bio, was one of my favorite classes.
06:08 PM on 04/07/2011
I bet you're all hat and no cattle. By the way, nice gun.
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rowdiman
Cayman Mitt: Why ya hiding your money?
09:48 PM on 04/03/2011
Mr. Preacher should go over there and do his little condemnation face to face.

Hiding over here under the protections of our Constitutional Rights is easy.

Freedom of Speech: just because you CAN say it, does not mean you don't have a choice when you are endangering lives.
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12:24 PM on 04/04/2011
He is not responsible for the loss of life. You really need to have a better appreciation for the Bill of Rights.
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onionboy
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03:00 PM on 04/04/2011
So does the preacher, particularly that part about freedom of religion.
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rowdiman
Cayman Mitt: Why ya hiding your money?
03:12 PM on 04/04/2011
I'll share that sentiment with the widows and children of those who were killed and beheaded.
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Jesuslandia
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09:05 PM on 04/03/2011
Loons in Afganistan are murdering in the name of Allah. Where's the outrage, CAIR?

Crickets.
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Andres64
Religion is a sectually transmitted disease.
08:28 PM on 04/03/2011
A quote from someone that knows a little about the subject at hand:

Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself.
--Salman Rushdie
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OneFish
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12:48 PM on 04/04/2011
The lack of logical thought and the lack of dedication to this most basic right is what I find the most disappointing on this thread. Burning a Koran does not deprive any Muslims anywhere of their right to practice the religion of their choice (or birth if you take the brainwashing effect into account), but allowing the religious sensitivities of one group to be used as a weapon of censorship against another person or group deprives the speakers of their rights. It is an asymmetric situation that is logically insupportable and is, in fact, despicable.

I have caught quite a bit of criticism for taking this position but I stand by it and can say that Rushdie is absolutely correct and I would enjoy meeting him someday.
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Andres64
Religion is a sectually transmitted disease.
05:21 PM on 04/04/2011
I agree completely. I've been called a "poser" for supporting free speech on this very thread. But if anyone looks at my history, I doubt if you'll find a stronger, more ardent supported of free speech.
06:01 PM on 04/03/2011
Some posters here are struggling to lay responsibility for all of this on one side or the other. But I think it might be simpler than that: how about, everyone is responsible for their own act of hatred. Burning the Koran was done, yes, as an act of free speech. It was also done as an act of hatred. Legal? yes, in our country, and thank goodness. Moral? probably not.

Killing people: Legal? no. Moral? no.

The rest of us: let us hope that the rest of us are both law abiding and moral. Or at least moral.
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12:27 PM on 04/04/2011
There is nothing immoral about expressing hatred. Sometimes it is deserved, sometimes not, but the expression is simply that, expression.
02:47 PM on 04/04/2011
Conceded. Perhaps the word moral was not exact. A public act that you commit in order to set off a known reaction in others could be thought of something to consider carefully, though. And this one was ill considered.
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05:08 PM on 04/03/2011
American citizens must protest to end the war in afghanistan. We should march do whatever is needed. Obama must end this.

Need a klaus? Go to rollingstone.com and go to the killing team story.
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04:26 PM on 04/03/2011
It would be nice to be able to comment on here...

http://bit.ly/fr9N9p
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01:39 AM on 04/04/2011
Hey, I thought Obama was supposed to be a Muslim. I hope the righties see this.
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04:06 PM on 04/03/2011
I have NO HORSE in the  healthcare race. Yet I campaigned, donated and wrote and telephoned  my Arizona congressional delegation and voiced my opinion. Which isn't cheap I live in SWITZERLAND.

Regardless , I have have healthcare should I need it. ALL ON YOUR DIMES. I am a compensated DAV.

As an  AMERICAN   and veteran I believe healthcare is a right not a privilege.

Even slaveowners , found fathers,  called the doctor when  one of their workers were ill.
03:58 PM on 04/03/2011
And in other news. Republicans revive the "Flag Burning Amendment......"
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04:26 PM on 04/03/2011
http://bit.ly/fr9N9p
11:02 PM on 04/03/2011
SO? Big deal.
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OneFish
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05:03 PM on 04/04/2011
Interesting. If I recall Bush was burned in effigy too. So what? It's called free expression.
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Jesuslandia
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09:03 PM on 04/03/2011
No they didn't
11:01 PM on 04/03/2011
No Shite?
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12:30 PM on 04/04/2011
If they didn't they probably will the jacka$$es.
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shirley thomas
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02:18 PM on 04/03/2011
as an atheist i love to watch people of all religion bicker. love it whren they each feel that theirs is the only "true' religion. why not live and let live. i don't try to foist my beliefs on others and i expect them to afford me the same respect. it's a sad day when an elected offical has to practically swear an oath of allegiance to the bible in order to be elected
05:51 PM on 04/03/2011
I thought the reaction was absurd (no more so than the belief itself of course) but then realized that I would be really upset if someone burned their old Webster's Third. We all have our limits . . .
07:46 PM on 04/03/2011
You love to watch people bicker? Perhaps shake your head and learn but to enjoy arguing? Never been there.
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12:32 PM on 04/04/2011
I take some pleasure in it, the simple pleasure of having my opinions of religions and the religious reaffirmed. Over, and over, and over ad infinitum...
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edejan
01:29 PM on 04/03/2011
We ought to get out of Afghanistan TODAY and let the chips fall where they may. Karzai will probably be the first to go.
01:37 AM on 04/04/2011
edejan,
We tried that in the 1980s, and it didn't work in (cf World Trade Center, 1993 and 2001).
We have to get it right this time.
Too much is at stake.
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Spike5
Let's go forward, not back to an imaginary past
12:34 PM on 04/03/2011
Let's not get too proud of ourselves because American Christians don't riot if someone burns a Bible. (Come to think of it, I can't remember a case where a group of Muslims did that.)

But it wasn't that long ago that Christians were torturing 'heretics' and burning them at the stake. It's not that long ago that Christians were lynching black men for just 'looking' at a white woman or being uppity. It's not that long ago that Christians killed millions of Jews and Gypsies for no reason except not being Christians.

Maybe Christians aren't as hung up on the physical sanctity of the Bible as a holy object, but they are just as prone to mindless violence against 'others' when the right buttons are pushed.

And this so-called pastor deliberately set the Koran on fire to have exactly this result. He hopes that by inciting hatred of Americans in Muslims, he can create even more hatred toward Muslims in this country. In the name of the Prince of Peace, he foments hatred and violence.

How many people posting here are condemning the person who set the fire instead of the people who reacted to the flames as he intended?
01:38 PM on 04/03/2011
You're absolutely right. It is the Christians' fault that the Muslims are rioting. Additionally, it is America's fault for having such a silly thing like a constitution to guarantee the right for freedom of expression. How silly and evil of us--what on earth were our founders thinking!?!?. You must be dizzy from all of that spinning. Your assumption that Christianity is behind lynchings, Nazi mass murders, etc., is terribly misguided. I did not know that such acts were committed in the name of Christianity, so please help to educate us on that, oh scholarly one...
03:51 PM on 04/03/2011
You're the one doing the twisting. Spike is right.
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Spike5
Let's go forward, not back to an imaginary past
04:34 PM on 04/03/2011
Twisting my words doesn't change the facts.

I didn't say that Christianity was behind lynchings and Nazi mass murders (although the Salem witch trials, the Spanish Inquisition, burning heretics at the stake, well, actually Christianity WAS behind that).

What I said was that people who called themselves Christians did those things. In the same way, people who call themselves Muslims do awful things. That doesn't mean ALL Muslims act that way any more than ALL Christians lynched black people or ran extermination camps. Some are moral people, some not.

People interpret religious books one way, some another. For example, some Christians believe the Bible justifies killing physicians who perform abortions; others don't. Some Christians believe that executing criminals is ok because the Bible says 'an eye for an eye' but others believe it's wrong because it also says 'thou shalt not kill.'

And I didn't say that I don't believe in free speech. But I also believe that we are responsible for the consequences of our speech. If I hand a loaded gun to someone who is mentally challenged, don't I share responsibility if he pulls the trigger? If I hand a match to someone who is holding a bomb, don't I share responsibility if he lights the fuse? This so-called pastor deliberately committed an act that he knew might lead to violence. He isn't legally guilty but he is morally and ethically culpable.

And of course, so are the people who actually did the killing.
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01:51 PM on 04/03/2011
You are saying that if someone threatens violence in response to your protest, you are then culpable for the violence. This is a stand which simply encourages violence.
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loutrerouge
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03:14 PM on 04/03/2011
Exactly and basically every civil/human rights movement inspires violence. Spike5 is basically excusing the KKK, gay bashers and other thugs who feel 'provoked' by art, speech, etc.
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Spike5
Let's go forward, not back to an imaginary past
04:40 PM on 04/03/2011
No I'm not. How can you get that twisted interpreta tion from what I said? I didn't say that the people who commit the acts are culpable. Of course they are. That goes without saying. People who actually commit violence for any reason except true self-defense are always at fault. There is never any justificat ion.

On the other hand, if the ONLY purpose of that art, speech, whatever is to incite violence, then yes, the person is deliberately inciting (not inspiring) violence and he too shares responsibility.

I know this may be hard to believe but saying that one person is wrong doesn't mean that another person can't be at fault as well.

So--can you give ONE reason why this person burned the holy book of another religion other than to incite violence?
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11:38 AM on 04/03/2011
Countries in the middle east have been fighting, and killing people 3000 years longer than Americans have. Of course, Muslims have only been around for the last 1500. The cuture is in love with war. If they can't find an enemy, they will fight each other, as they did in iraq, and are doing now in lybia, and other places. Let's withdraw from all of them. forever.
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01:09 PM on 04/03/2011
sarah palin is that you ?