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Afghanistan Protests Over Florida Quran Burning Enter Third Day

Afghanistan Protests

First Posted: 04/03/11 09:55 AM ET Updated: 06/03/11 06:12 AM ET

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- Afghan protests against the burning of a Quran in Florida entered a third day with a demonstrations in the south and east Sunday, while the Taliban called on people to rise up, blaming government forces for any violence.

The desecration at a small U.S. church has outraged Muslims worldwide, and in Afghanistan many of the demonstrations have turned into deadly riots. Protests in the north and south in recent days have killed 20 people.

In southern Kandahar city on Sunday, hundreds took to the streets for the second day in a row, and hospital officials said 20 people were hurt in skirmishes between police and demonstrators. On Saturday, nine people were killed and 80 injured when a protest turned into a riot.

At least two wounded police officers and 18 civilians had been brought into city hospitals, said Qayum Pokhla the provincial health director.

A morning protest in Jalalabad city was peaceful, with hundreds of people blocking a main highway for three hours, shouting for U.S. troops to leave and burning an effigy of President Barack Obama before dispersing, according to an Associated Press photographer at the scene.

A similar protest in eastern Parwan province blocked a main highway with burning tires for about an hour, with more than 1,000 people protesting against the desecration of the Quran, said provincial police chief Sher Ahmad Maladani. He said there was no violence.

The violence started Friday when demonstrators stormed a U.N. compound in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, killing 11 people including seven foreign U.N. employees.

The Taliban said in a statement emailed to media outlets that the U.S. and other Western countries have wrongly excused the burning a Quran by the pastor of a Florida church on March 20 as freedom of speech and that Afghans "cannot accept this un-Islamic act."

NATO officials re-iterated their condemnation of the Quran burning in an apparent attempt to quell the rising anger.

"We condemn, in particular, the action of an individual in the United States who recently burned the Holy Quran," said the statement issued by military commander Gen. David Petraeus and the top NATO civilian representative in Afghanistan, Mark Sedwill.

"We further hope the Afghan people understand that the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Quran, are not representative of any of the countries of the international community who are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people," the statement said.

On Saturday, U.S. President Barack Obama extended his condolences to the families of those killed by the protesters and said desecration of the Quran "is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry." But he said that does not justify attacking and killing innocent people, calling it "outrageous and an affront to human decency and dignity."

The Taliban statement said that those killed during the protests were unarmed demonstrators.

"Afghan forces under the order of the foreign forces attacked unarmed people during the protests, killing them and arresting some, saying there were armed people among these protesters, which was not true," the statement said.

Sher Jan Durani, a spokesman for the government of northern Balkh province, where the first riots occurred, said there were multiple armed men among the more than 20 arrested. Afghan authorities suspect insurgents infiltrated the mob.

In Kandahar, officials said 17 people, including seven armed men, have been arrested.

The protests come at a critical juncture as the U.S.-led coalition gears up for an insurgent spring offensive and a summer withdrawal of some troops, and with Afghanistan's mercurial president increasingly questioning international motives and NATO's military strategy.

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Associated Press photographer Rahmat Gul contributed to this report from Jalalabad, Afghanistan. Associated Press writer Mirwais Khan contributed from Kandahar.

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07:55 AM on 04/08/2011
"Hey, honey! I ran out of toilet paper! Pass me that Quran over there!"
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cliffhammond
Onward through the fog!
04:49 AM on 04/30/2011
It shouldn't take much; there's not a whole lot back there to back up that mouth.
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11:04 PM on 04/06/2011
@ Jan Allen: It is for the other participants to decide how much of yours and mine is polemics and how much is propaganda. One can not be the accused and the judge at the same time. Among people there are some who are able to defeat their opponent in a controversy by the use of extremely adroit and misleading arguments.

They may assume to hold plausable and admirable views regarding a possible improvement of human society and of man’s lot on earth, but at the same time refuse to be guided by other considerations—They can on justifying their exclusive preoccupation with the affairs Western liberalism by seemingly sound argument and stress on their own ethical objectives.

The Holy Quran describe such people as “exceedingly skillful in argument, but whenever he prevails, he goes about the arth speading corruption and destroying man’s tilth and progeny” Chapter 2: Verse 204
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05:39 PM on 04/05/2011
The context of permissible violence in Sharia law:


”Commanding the Right and Forbidding the Wrong

[…]

CENSURING WITH HARSH WORDS

q5.5 The fourth degree of severity consists of reviling the person and bearing down on him with sharp, harsh words. […]

RIGHTING THE WRONG BY HAND

q5.6 The fifth degree consists of changing the blameworthy thing with one’s hand, such as by breaking the musical instruments, pouring out wine, […]

INTIMIDATION

q5.7 The sixth degree is threatening and intimidation [...]

ASSAULT

q5.8 The seventh degree is to directly hit or kick the person [...]”

Umdat al Salik
06:12 PM on 04/05/2011
I sort of like the harsh words part and I guess I might even let them pour out my wine but the kicking part goes to far, a person has limits you know ;)

Spoiler Alert: someone will insist that this only applies to people who agree to live in a Sharia Enclave

Spoiler Alert 2: someone will complain about my new fangled phrase "Sharia Enclave"
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06:26 PM on 04/05/2011
Note to self: Start using enclave once in a while instead of colony--mucho class:

"In political geography, an enclave is a territory whose geographical boundaries lie entirely within the boundaries of another territory.[1]

[...]

The word enclave entered the English jargon of diplomacy in 1868. It derives from French, which was then the lingua franca of diplomacy, with a sense inherited from Late Latin inclavatus meaning shut in, locked up (with a key, Latin clavis). The word exclave is a logical extension created three decades later."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enclave_and_exclave

You are much more tolerant than I am. I draw a bright line at my vittles.
03:10 AM on 04/06/2011
@Jan Allen McDaniel
God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. 7:17-24
"I will harden Pharaoh's heart." 14:4
In Samuel 15:2-3, the Lord orders Saul to kill all the Amalekite men, women and infants.

Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31
read thiss pleasee everyone:
www.elroy.net/ehr/vchip.html would you like more Jan Allen McDaniel
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07:51 AM on 04/06/2011
Interesting that you cite situational and very specific examples of violence that were reported eons ago in the O.T. However, Sharia law promotes general behavior for Muslims today. Big difference. Besides that, Jesus is the main figure who opened a new age in the N.T.
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08:10 AM on 04/06/2011
If you are attempting to show, through these quotes, that Christians, Jews and Muslims all believe that violence is acceptable in enforcing religious rules then you have failed on two counts.

1) Those quotes are historical in nature, not prescriptive.

2) Those quotes are not present Christian or Jewish practice, mine are present Muslim practice.


"Mutawwa'în" (plural; sing. mutawwa') originally was a casual synonym for the religious police of Saudi Arabia. In Saudi Arabia, the formal short term for the Saudi religious police is هيئة "hay'ah" which is Arabic for "commission" and is a shortened version of "the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vices" which serves as the infrastructure of proselytization and enforcement of Islamic tenets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutaween

I understand there will soon be mutaween on the streets of Cairo, also.
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03:19 PM on 04/05/2011
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
Read ?!
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04:46 PM on 04/05/2011
Would it be too much to ask for you to write something about the link? You know, contextualize it?
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05:01 PM on 04/05/2011
I am sorry.. In a hurry...
If, you will watch this 10 minute episode on Hardball with Chris Matthews: called: Zealots abroad, zealots at home! The Trouble with Islam Today:
Irshad Manji : http://www­.msnbc.msn­.com/id/30­96434/#42421715 copy and paste if needed?!
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songs of the shamans...
06:33 PM on 04/05/2011
I'm glad that this list exists, but you should know that Harun Yahya is on that list too. If this guy is a "moderate" Muslim, then we have problems. Below is a book of his from his website...

From http://us1.harunyahya.com/Detail/T/EDCRFV/productId/732/ISLAM_AND_BUDDHISM

"Islam And Buddhism"

"When we look at Buddhism in the light of the verses of the Qur’an, we see that this belief is built on twisted teachings, contains peculiar acts of worship incompatible with human reason and logic, and turns man towards idolatry. This book reveals all the deviant aspects of this superstitious religion."
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10:04 AM on 04/05/2011
religion really makes people act irrationally.
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09:09 PM on 04/05/2011
I So Agree with you !!!
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02:20 AM on 04/05/2011
Let the USA consider the guidelines of Britain's Rationalist Press association which discriminates freedom to impart information and freedom to insult, offend or abuse.


In the real multi-cultural, multi-religious and pluralistic world which we all perforce inhabit, burning holy Holy scriptures does wound, insults do hurt, and extreme and obscene abuse does provoke anger and violence. European tradition recognises this, What is wrong in following Europe if it helps towards a bit less freedom and more tolerance, understanding and respect.

It is an unwritten constitution of freedom in the West that has shied away from absolutist doctrines of liberty and assumed instead that with freedom there comes responsibilities: moral, prudential, conventional or simple a matter of good taste covering areas much wider than the law contains. This is because absolute freedom is very dangerous causing conflicts, tensions and enmity between communities and nations. People could not have forgotten the bad relations, misery and deaths caused by a stupid book like Satanic Verses in 1989. The book was burnt in Britain by some bigots but caused deaths of over a dozen people in India.

Can anyone deny the fact that there can not be absolute and untrammelled freedom of speech without any restraints or restrictions whatsoever? If there is such an absolute freedom of speech why do we have libel laws, race relation laws and obscenity laws?
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07:27 AM on 04/05/2011
So you would have banned Satanic Verses?
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kodimirpal
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11:49 AM on 04/05/2011
If I had had reliable security report that the publication of Salman Rushdie's would lead to terrible violence in several countries and cause the deaths of more than 20 people. After all what is more important than human lives. Why was Salaman Rushdie overwhelmingly greedy to make money out of blasphemy? from hard cover and then soft cover. Look at his life Ask him whether he has a peaceful and happy life, his life is meserable. He had a happier life before the Satanic Verses controversy. And eventually he will have his retribution for wounding the sentiments of millions of people.
He is too proud to admit it
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04:24 PM on 04/05/2011
Fanned and faved.
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A.T.C.G...(sigh)
12:33 PM on 04/05/2011
One mans meat is another mans poison. The 800 lb gorilla in the room is religion. Religion separates and divides people...making it difficult to reason with one another. Fundamental religion appeals to small minded people that cannot comprehend the world around them...and that are taught by other small minded men that the ancient books of myth and superstition are the word of God. Since they are incapable of critical thought...they are easily emotionally incensed and outraged. Rational people know that a book is a book...and nothing more. They are produced in the thousands at a time. Burn one...ho-hum, so what ? Rev. Terry Jones had every right to burn the Quran...I defend that right. I think he was wrong to exercise that right. I would not exercise a right that had a reasonable expectation of causing death and mayhem. On the other hand...freedom can't be held hostage by the lowest common denominator...people who are incapable of critical thought. There must be some effort to educate people better. A good beginning would be to recognize the negative effect of religion in this equation. There is no ultimate truth...never was...ain't gonna be. Based on available evidence for the existence of any Gods or Goddesses, fairies, witches, goblins, troll under bridges, or leprechuans...there probably aren't any. There's just us humans...the world that is...is what we have. Let's learn to reason with one another. The problem is religion...(sigh)
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04:27 PM on 04/05/2011
So enlightenment leads us all to unity, in the name of denouncing "small-minded people... incapable of critical thought" and "myth and superstition"? Is your recipe for global peace and understanding really to divide humanity into two groups and shout 'You stupid people are all wrong!' at the other group?

Why not just use concentration camps the way Stalin did to "solve" the "problem" of religion?
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12:58 AM on 04/05/2011
I hate to say anything in favor of a xenophobic creep like Terry Jones, but....www.gurukalehuru.com
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04:50 PM on 04/05/2011
But what?
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kodimirpal
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12:55 AM on 04/05/2011
The individual is an integral element of the society. The individual perfects the group and the group is perfected by the individual. Developing this two way responsibility is an important way of achieving reform, social solidarity and mutual co-existence particularly in a multi-cultural society.

Hence the responsibility lies on both the individual and collective conscience in order to guarantee humanity the life of a unified, sound, tolerant, happy and productive community. This requires a bit of give and take on all sides as they have in Britain for instance. Nothing wrong in borrowing such ideas if such ideas help to bring more peace in USA.

This understanding between individual and society of common responsibility for common interests is the basis of resisting intolerance, insults and deliberate discrimination of minority cultures. Without such understanding Govt’s method of achieving peace and happiness will be fruitless.

Those who seek to resist social ills are duty bound to awaken first the conscience of the individual towards the community and then the conscience of the community towards the individual. This must continue until the individual assumes a filial and beneficent attitude towards the community and the community a motherly and protective attitude towards the individual. Thus we arrive at general consensus and an agreed public opinion.
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09:06 PM on 04/05/2011
We need to leave Afghanistan NOW, and here is why Hamid Karzi.... Please watch?
If, you will watch this 10 minute episode on Hardball with Chris Matthews: called: (Zealots abroad, zealots at home) ! The Trouble with Islam Today:
Irshad Manji : http://www­­.msnbc.ms­n­.com/id/­30­96434/#­42421715 copy and paste if needed?!
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kodimirpal
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09:58 PM on 04/05/2011
this false propaganda has been posted several times on HP, chnage the colour of your glasses and look at the other perspective
11:18 PM on 04/04/2011
They were fighting for their freedom against the soviets and against their freedom against us. It is crucial to get the semantics right.
11:59 PM on 04/04/2011
That's all?! Are you sure that when we leave everything will be fine and we can go back again to full throated displays of blasphemy? Come on, give me the entire list of grievances, I mean semantics ;)
07:55 PM on 04/04/2011
This is like the moment in the movies where the bad guy is unable to intimate someone directly but then when he points the gun at an innocent bystander the good guy always lays down his arms. I think this is happening to us. Any thoughts?
07:41 PM on 04/04/2011
It is amazing the long list of excuses commenters have for equivocating, excusing or half-excusing violence. Can someone summarize them all?
07:35 PM on 04/04/2011
Hey, we showed solidarity with Denmark when they were threatened after the cartoon thing. So why aren't we showing solidarity with this guy?
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06:51 PM on 04/04/2011
Karzai wants Congress to condemn Jones. What this corrupt thug, who made a point of stirring all this up, should get is a copy of the US constitution and Supreme Court rulings on freedom of speech.
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kodimirpal
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06:37 AM on 04/05/2011
Karzai ia an American appointee and he closely follows the CIA's dictates if not he will be thrown out and be replaced with someone more obedient. You can not have the cake and eat it too.
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07:29 AM on 04/05/2011
I want to leave there, period.
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Not all liberals are silly.
05:16 PM on 04/05/2011
If Karzai is trying to get the US government to do something it obviously has no intention of doing, then how exactly is Karzai obsequiously bowing to the dictates of the US government?
09:43 PM on 04/05/2011
Please point to where the constitution says that the U.S. government has to agree with the actions and rantings of any one particular lunatic. What supreme court ruling says that the U.S. government can't condemn Reverand Jones for an act of religious intolerance. You seem very confused. Nowhere in our constitution or in ANY Supreme Court ruling does it state that the United States government can not condemn an act of bigotry or speech. NOWHERE! Mr. Jones is allowed to do what he did under the 1st Amendment of the Constitution. The government can not restrict his freedom of speech. But NOWHERE is there anything in the constitution or anything that has ever been ruled on by the Supreme Court that says the U.S. Government can't condemn the actions of one of it's citizens. It appears you should familiarize youself with our constitution and Supreme Court rulings.
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10:44 PM on 04/05/2011
Please point out where I said they couldn't. They can. I merely said we should remind Karzai we have free speech to do that here. Something he doesn't understand, along with most of Afghanistan.
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06:42 PM on 04/04/2011
In all seriousness, why can't we just pack up and leave tomorrow? We are not any more safer as a country by being there, our men and women in uniform continue to die there, and innocent civilians die every day simply by virtue of our occupation. I'm totally naive here, please feel free to enlighten me.
05:40 PM on 04/04/2011
People of other countries just don't understand how common it is for the religious right in the U.S. to burn books. They'll stifle any speech they feel threatened by, all the while saying that it's their 1st Amendment right to free speech. Burn what you don't like because it offends you, but chastise those who are offended by what you do as trying to limit your speech. Classic circular argument, but typical of our country's right wing lunatics.

Well, to excercise my freedom of speech, I will burn 10 bibles for every Koran the good preacher burns, urinate on them to put the fires out, and then arrange the ashes in a pentagram. In the center will be a voodoo doll of the preacher with his photo and "666" painted on his forehead.
Gasparilla
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06:30 PM on 04/04/2011
And nothing will happen to you, because it's all been done before. Amazing how you can get it so backwards. In this country you are free to practice, or not practice, any religion you like. Not true there.
01:47 AM on 04/05/2011
Exactly where do I suggest that the reaction in Afganistan is reasonable and why do you think the preacher has a 1st Amendment right to burn books, yet others don't have the same 1st Amendment rights to condemn his actions as bigotted? What I see from the right on this thread is an amazing cognitive dissonance regarding how hypocritical and inconsistant your positions are with the 1st Amendment. The religious right is on a never ending quest to censor the speech of anybody or any group that has different views or beliefs than they do. What they seek is exactly what we see in the Middle East; intolerance for any beliefs different from their own.
06:13 PM on 04/05/2011
You spend a lot of time trying to debate with me a postition I never took. The problem is you started off by insinuating that I had something backwards, under the belief that you were rushing to America's defense. Nowhere in my post do I claim that people have more tolerance or greater freedoms in Afghanistan, the Middle East, or the rest of the world for that matter. This isn't a "see, we can says and dos anything we like and it's ok, but you'd be kilt over der fer doin it" argument. We should be proud that we treat our religious bigots with so much respect..whatever. What I clearly point out is the hypocrisy of right wing bigots like the Florida preacher, who while having no problem going out of his way to offend those of another religion, will be offended by any variety of beliefs or life style choices that others make. He'll cry 1st Amendment now, but then march off to protest pornography or something else that offends his beliefs. He most certainly would be offended by what I suggest doing to his bible and I think you're being hopelessly naive in believing that wouldn't cause protests, leading to possible riots and violence. The Dixie Chics received death threats when they merely stated that they were ashamed that GW Bush was from Texas.
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12:58 AM on 04/05/2011
And interesting enough, there will be no mass protest and no mass killings because you decided to exercise your freedom of speech. Think about it. Why is that?
01:34 AM on 04/05/2011
That the reaction in Afganistan is ridiculous is obvious. What you on the right fail to see is the hypocrisy of your group waiving the 1st Amendment banner. For one, I think you can gaurantee right wing hysteria if I did what I mention in my initial post. There's great footage of screeching righties wailing about the 10 commandments being taken out of a public courthouse. The FACT that the right is constantly seeking to limit the free speech of anybody that does not share their religious beliefs or offends their delicate sensibilities, makes their cries that this preacher is simply excercising his 1st Amendment rights laughable. Are you capable of seeing how hyporcitical it is to attempt to sensor the speech of people that don't share your religious beliefs or somehow offend your conservative "values", yet complain that people are trying to sensor this "preacher"? Does it strike you as odd that those on the right would be totally offended and boycott companies that use Happy Holidays in their commercials instead of Merry Christmas, but then feign complete bafflement that anybody could be offended by one of their own burning another religion's holy book? And then to follow it up, you imply that others shouldn't be free to use their 1st Amendment rights to call this preacher's actions bigotted. Seriously? Freedom of speech, does not equate to freedom from the consequences of that speech, or to being exposed as a hyporcrit.