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Arizona Defies Public Opinion, Passes Guns On Campus Bill

Guns On Campus

First Posted: 04/11/11 08:15 PM ET Updated: 06/11/11 06:12 AM ET

Two days after the Jan. 8 Tucson shootings, as Rep. Gabrielle Giffords lay in a medically induced coma, Arizona's House of Representatives introduced the session's very first piece of legislation: a bill allowing college professors to carry concealed weapons on campus.

A similar bill, SB 1467, which would allow anyone to carry a gun on the sidewalks and roads of public universities, sailed through the House last Thursday, despite the fact that the majority of Arizonans oppose sending guns to college.

"The legislature is being very extreme on gun issues, and it couldn't be more opposite to what the public wants," said Hildy Saizow, President of Arizonans for Gun Safety, a gun control advocacy group.

Nearly 70 percent of Arizonans and 56 percent of gun owners did not want to expand gun rights on college campuses, according a February poll by American Viewpoint, a Republican-leaning research company.

On campuses, the opposition is even stronger. More than 80 percent of the state's students and parents opposed the bill in its original form -- which would have allowed guns inside university buildings and dorms -- according to a 1,400-person survey done by Arizona State University Regents' professor Stuart Lindsay. Another round of polls by the Graduate and Professional Student Association at ASU found that two-thirds of graduate students would feel less safe if firearms were allowed anywhere on campus, even within locked cars or in the hands of professors.

"Firearms do not have a place in educational institutions," said Rhian Stotts, an anthropology graduate student at ASU who has been involved with the association that conducted the poll. "The people I interact with are concerned the legislation has gone through."

SB 1467, sponsored by Sen. Ron Gould (R-Lake Havasu City) and passed by a 33-24 margin, prohibits public universities from banning guns on a "public right-of-way." Arizona joins Utah as the second state to force universities to allow guns, although Utah's laws extend into the classrooms and dorms. The term "right-of-way" could be interpreted narrowly, to refer only to major streets running through a campus, or broadly enough to mean all internal university sidewalks and walkways. If Gov. Jan Brewer signs the bill into law, anyone over 21 will be able to carry a concealed gun on campus -- and anyone older than 18 will be able to carry a visible firearm.

The bill is a compromise -- whittled down from an earlier version that would have allowed guns inside buildings -- but its passage still represents another success in a long string of wins for gun-rights advocates in Arizona. In 2009, packing heat became legal inside bars, restaurants and privately owned parking lots. Then last year, the state eliminated concealed carry permits for individuals over 21 and background checks for firearms transferred between private parties. Despite these laws, more than 80 percent of Arizonans say they would support a law requiring all prospective gun buyers to pass a background check before purchase.

Some gun control advocates think that aggressive lobbying and funding from gun rights groups explains the discrepancy between public opinion and legislative action. "This [legislation] is being pushed by an extremist gun lobby," Saizow said.

Indeed, five of the eight co-sponsors of SB 1467 accepted campaign donations, ranging from $100 to $410, from the National Rifle Association in 2009. Five more House representatives who voted for the bill were also given campaign donations in 2009, although one representative returned the money. A few hundred dollars is chump change compared to the $452,200 Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) received from gun rights groups during his presidential campaign. But "for the state legislature, a little bit of money goes a long way," said Saizow, whose group does not fund any political candidates.

On campus, faculty members are threatening to leave or teach classes online if they bill is enacted.

"I can't face a class if I don't know how many students are carrying guns," said John Hildebrand, head of the Department of Neuroscience at the University of Arizona, who noted that he's one of the lucky ones old enough to retire. "I don't want to retire, but I very well could," he said. "I'm on the brink of hysteria over this."

Faculty members on ASU's Tempe campus, such as theater professor Jeff McMahon, are particularly sensitive to the issue because in 2009 a graduate student committed suicide with a gun while standing in a professor's office.

"I know of people who will immediately commence looking for positions elsewhere," said Arizona State University professor Jeff McMahon, who has himself contemplated leaving the university if the legislation is enacted. "I think this is not just rhetoric. I think there will be visiting scholars and professors who say, 'I can't teach here.'"

Some professors feel betrayed by their legislators, such as Linda Essig, who teaches arts entrepreneurship at ASU. When SB 1467 went before the senate in March, she reached out to Sen. John McComish (R-Ahwatukee) as a private citizen -- in Arizona, professors and university administrators are not allowed to lobby -- and asked him to oppose the bill. In an email Essig shared with The Huffington Post, McComish replied, "I agree and oppose this bill." Much to Essig's surprise, McComish went on to introduce an amendment limiting SB 1467 to outdoor premises only, and then supported it.

"It's a very different bill," Sen. McComish told HuffPo. "People were reacting to guns in classrooms and dormitories, and now that's not the issue."

Indeed, gun rights advocates think that the bill in its current form is no more than a logical extension of allowing concealed carry in public areas.

"This is a common sense law in my opinion," said Daniel Crocker, regional director of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus. "We've heard the debate in Arizona, which is the usual debate: 'Blood will flow in the streets.' But that's not going to happen. So in a year from now people will say, 'Wow, nothing happened. Maybe we should allow guns everywhere on campus.'" (SB 1467 sponsor Sen. Gould has made it clear that his next step will be to introduce legislation allowing guns inside university buildings and dorms.)

But others think that the bill is just as dangerous for Arizona's reputation as it is for the student body -- one more link in the increasingly radical agenda of the state legislature, which also passed SB 1070, last summer's controversial immigration law.

"This is not good news coming out about Arizona," said Gary Grossman, president of the ASU Senate, a body that represents all academic units in the university. "It's not helping in our economic development activities, not helping us recruit doctors, and not helping us do many things that we need to do."

Concern about recruiting out-of-state students runs high, especially after the legislature slashed education funding, leaving universities increasingly reliant on the higher tuition out-of-staters pay. Academic conferences could also be relocated elsewhere, in the same way that high-profile events fled the state in the wake of the SB 1070 controversy.

Mark Lussier, president of ASU's Tempe Academic Assembly, recalls a national literature conference that moved to New Mexico this year. "There was a ground swell of people that insisted that the conference be moved, and it was moved," he said. "And I'm quite frankly worried because I'm running another conference in 2012, and I have a feeling that what happened last time might very well occur again."

Plus, the very logistics of the bill, which allows guns outside but not inside, baffle administrators.

"This bill is going to be extremely difficult to enforce," said Grossman. "It's a situation where it will be okay to have guns on sidewalks and in our streets but not in our classrooms. Are we going to have gun racks like bike racks?"

Correction: An earlier version of this article stated that, under the new law, 18 to 20-year-olds would be able to carry concealed weapons on campus, provided they had a special permit to do so. This is incorrect. In addition, the article misstated Mark Lussier's title. He is the President of the ASU Tempe Academic Assembly, not President of the ASU Tempe campus.

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Two days after the Jan. 8 Tucson shootings, as Rep. Gabrielle Giffords lay in a medically induced coma, Arizona's House of Representatives introduced the session's very first piece of legislation: a b...
Two days after the Jan. 8 Tucson shootings, as Rep. Gabrielle Giffords lay in a medically induced coma, Arizona's House of Representatives introduced the session's very first piece of legislation: a b...
 
 
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
05:09 PM on 06/06/2011
[Amanda Collins, 25, is a wife and new mom, and a concealed weapon permit holder for years. At her father's law office in Reno, she showed us the 9-mm Glock she carries for her safety. However, Collins couldn't aim her gun at the serial rapist who attacked her at the University of Nevada at Reno, where she was a student. That's because, like most public colleges outside of Utah and Colorado, UNR is a "gun free" zone. The rule required her to leave her gun at home, leaving her defenseless the one time she needed its protection most.
The university has since installed more emergency call boxes and lights in the parking structure, but Collins says that won't stop an attacker who knows the campus is a gun-free zone, a policy she believes invites crime, and may have even emboldened the man who raped her. Just months later, Biela went on to murder 19-year old Brianna Dennison in a case that received widespread national attention. While Biela now sits on death row, Collins is convinced the outcome would have been different had she been armed. "I know, having been the first victim, that Brianna Dennison would still be alive, had I been able to defend myself that night."]
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
05:49 PM on 06/06/2011
More from Amanda Collins:
["I don't understand why (the state) trusts good, responsible people to be able to have their firearm across the street, and as soon as they cross an arbitrary line, they somehow lose all reason and ability to be able to be competent with that responsibility. It makes no sense to me at all." Her main argument comes from self protection. "Everyone deserves a chance to defend themselves," she says. "The criminals who are intent on committing a crime don't care about what the rules and regulations are. The only ones that do are the law abiding citizens, and those are the ones who are permitted to carry everywhere else." A dozen other states, including Florida, Idaho, and Texas, are also debating whether to lift gun bans on college campuses. As traumatic as it to relive her attack, Collins says she'll testify wherever and whenever she can to help make that happen.]
Also this: At the 70 schools that allow students and faculty with permits to carry guns, not one has experience­d the type of harm predicted by opponents. Not a single permit holder on these campuses has been involved in a firearm accident or crime.
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Radical Logic
Surrender indecision and become your dreams
01:52 AM on 05/27/2011
Now you see what happens when Neanderthals (Republicans) infest themselves into the upper echelon of government. Mark my words: Guns on campus WILL end badly.
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
05:16 PM on 06/06/2011
I remember hearing the same dire predictions of disaster where I live here in Oregon. That was 15 years ago, when we passed our concealed-carry law. It definitely did not "end badly". Would you care to look up our crime rates? Clue: "low". Also this: at the 70 schools that allow students and faculty with permits to carry guns, not one has experienced the type of harm predicted by opponents. Not a single permit holder on these campuses has been involved in a firearm accident or crime.
09:33 PM on 05/26/2011
What a great idea guns on campus in the hands of kids who are drinking and partying how many will be killed before this is changed. Do the Reptilians have any brains at all, oops forget I asked.
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
05:25 PM on 06/06/2011
"The Reptilians"? Aside from being confusing, since when is name-calling and "ad hominem" part of effective debate?
10:38 AM on 04/29/2011
This is a fascist, special interest attack- not just on the sanctity of education, but on the reason for colleges to be OPEN institutions. The NRA did this in Wyoming in 2006, when a "no permit" concealed bill was opposed by me. I was threatened anonymously on the telephone by the Deputy Director of the state police (DCI Deputy Director, Kebin Wade Haller) and when I captured the evidence of this at the state telephone switch, US Atty (now Governor) Matt Mead sent two armed DCI thugs to my house to threaten me, suspend my right to petition the legislature. "Because well....the first paragraph here is goofy"( DCI State operations commander, Forrest Clay Williams). The fascist attack on universities is designed to prepare for the intellectual capitulation to "States Rights" fascism. By 2016, the US Congress will be filling with "Real Americans" like our next U.S. Senator from Wyoming: Matt Mead, who bragged in his campaign literature last year about owning three military assault rifles, including a .50 cal sniper weapon. No BS about being a "hunter"- just a paramilitary-armed fascist for Governor, who sends armed police thugs to threaten citizens who oppose the NRA.
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jnw147
01:54 PM on 04/28/2011
All decent Americans should boycott the state of Arizona. And we should never let Sarah Palin forget the parts he played in this fiasco!
fourtruth
9th Ammendment, Bill of Rights
10:14 PM on 04/25/2011
Should read GOP defies Public - AGAIN.

What do we expect? This is the same state that took construction along the Camelback corridor to a vote and voted NO - and yet Simmington went ahead built those high rises along Camelback! The same Simmington that stole all the retirement funds and now some are hinting he should run for Prez!
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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
04:10 PM on 04/18/2011
Creating a patchwork quilt of "carry" and "no carry" zones is senseless and futile in the extreme. What are people who are legally carrying supposed to do when we encounter a "no carry" zone, return to our vehicles and leave our self-defense tool there, subject to break-in and theft, and then return to the "no carry" venue? I really cannot think of any accidents injuring a bystander or other uninvolved party caused by a licensed handgun carrier accidentally discharging his or her weapon. If there are any they are so rare as to be statistically insignificant.
12:00 PM on 04/18/2011
"The guns and the bombs, the rockets and the warships, are all symbols of human failure."
Lyndon B. Johnson
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Adam Davies
10:51 PM on 04/25/2011
The same LBJ that had such a horrible civil rights voting record in the Senate that the NAACP sent him a letter saying that "The Negroes who put you in office are ashamed how you have stood against them"? And who signed the Civil Rights Act solely to gain voters for the Democratic Party (He told two governors that "If I sign this, I'll have those n***ers voting Democratic for two hundred years")? And who hurled constant racist insults at his black driver of decades? He isn't a good person to go off of.
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eaglespark
"Why waste time learning? Ignorance is quicker."
05:20 PM on 06/06/2011
How is that quote relevant to the issue being discussed here?
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PamperedHousecat
Dogs drool, cats rule
01:53 PM on 04/16/2011
It strikes me as ironic, that I read this on anniversity of the Virginia Tech shootings.
But I guess AZ lawmakers believe that if everybody else was packin'...(esp. those 19 year-olds with open-carry) they would have been able to take Seung Hui Cho's 9mm. Glock 19, with the hollow bullets, that killed 32 people.
Maybe next, they'll let high school seniors carry handguns, while their teachers carry AK-47's.
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David Carson
09:37 PM on 04/16/2011
you do realize that to get a CCW, a person has to be 21
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PamperedHousecat
Dogs drool, cats rule
02:05 AM on 04/17/2011
I hope you read the article.
It said that according to SB1467 sponsored by Sen Ron Gould, if Jan Brewer signs it "anyone older than 18 can carry "visible".
THAT is what I was talking about.
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Andra Claudia Garcia
Avant-Garde Journalist
12:27 PM on 04/16/2011
its ok..let them have their campuses with guns...just don't attend....lets see how it will thrive
fourtruth
9th Ammendment, Bill of Rights
10:20 PM on 04/25/2011
Sure, Brewer was on the news last night touting how great AZ economy is - that there were no boycotts - yet everything here is shutting down - even 2nd hand stores are closing up right and left! You cannot drive past an intersection that does not have a major store or two closed up.

And think last years Mexican exodus was bad? Wait until next winter when the snow bird exodus occurs - as in not coming back to AZ.

Wish I could figure out how to get out of here - but alas, on my forced early retirement reduced income and upside down mortgage - ugh - just UGH!
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valeskas
catlover/book lover democrat
11:24 AM on 04/16/2011
I guess the shooting death of Christina Tylor Green did not mean a thing to the repuclicans in Arizona. Her death was in vain, they should all be ashamed of themselves.
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Adam Davies
11:47 AM on 04/16/2011
The gun did not float around, load itself, and pull its own trigger. It was the fault of Laughner. Guns can be a good thing when used to stop crimes, thats why the police bring so many of them when trying to do that. When a citizen can have and carry a gun for self defense, it is a good thing and the statistics show that right-to-carry states have lower instances of crime than states that limit the constitutional right to bear arms.
fourtruth
9th Ammendment, Bill of Rights
10:29 PM on 04/25/2011
And yet, Laughner was taken down by senior citizens without any guns being drawn - and there were people there who were armed.

Post links to those stats please. And then be sure to study Mexico and Switzerland - because other than the drug cartels Mexico that bans guns has very little murder of any kind, guns or otherwise, and Switzerland, often touted by gun nuts where everyone is armed - but those arms and ammunition are locked up in their homes and are inspected by the government and if the seal is broken you better have a good reason - and all males are "required" to go through the "ready" military.

I mean "real" links and "rea" study like Wikipedia, not NRA BS. NRA = shills for arms manufacturers who have done a successful job of putting brainwashing rings in noses of paranoid gun enthusiasts while they sing "ChaChing$$$$" all the way to the bank.
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Jeffreygeez
06:50 PM on 06/02/2011
Sure, because the element of surprise does not exist?', the criminal challenges the victim to a shoot out at high noon, and the fastest gun wins??.Your theory is incorrect. Criminals do nort announce their intentions, and they are better shots than those bad guys on TV, who somehow cannot seem to ever hit their target , ever,strange, no?

When someone pulls a gun on you by surprise, you could have ten guns on you, but your dead anyway, that is if , if your stupid enough to try to overcome the element of surprise with your fast draw technique. .This law is idiotic.
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robert horwitz
10:48 AM on 04/15/2011
Perhaps Arizona's State Legislator should name this new Bill "Are You Sure I Don't Deserve A Higher Grade?". How about this? "You Owe Me Five Bucks Pay Up Or Else". Another great name for it might also be "So I Am Drunk I Can Still Shoot A Quarter Out Of Mid Air". Pardon me but I thought Dumb Bells were supposed to be used for exercise. When did we start electing them as our Representatives?
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04:46 PM on 04/15/2011
The most accurate name for the bil: "Another Opportunity for Those Not Fond of Firearms to Use Hyperbole And Made Up Scenarios To Defend Their Positions."
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robert horwitz
05:06 PM on 04/15/2011
ByThePower Actually I do like firearms. I just believe there are places that they don't belong.
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Adam Davies
07:26 PM on 04/15/2011
1) This bill doesn't allow carry in buildings
2) This bill doesn't make it legal to rob people at gun point, it allows concealed carry and that is all
3) It is illegal to carry while drinking.
You have no arguments.
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PamperedHousecat
Dogs drool, cats rule
01:56 PM on 04/16/2011
And if everyone abided by the law at all times, in all places, under every circumstance, this whole debate would be a moot point.
fourtruth
9th Ammendment, Bill of Rights
10:32 PM on 04/25/2011
So, I am a student, I walk around campus with my gun for the fun of it? Then when the bell rings I do what? Run home to depost my gun and come back to class? And who does this make sense to?
03:01 PM on 04/14/2011
Arizona Republicans seem to be experiencing a collective nervous breakdown. Common sense be damned.
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
03:42 PM on 04/15/2011
You realize that it is not statutorily prohibited to carry on Oregon campuses? Oregon also is an open carry state, no permit required.
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spark340
06:24 AM on 04/16/2011
I am not sure that you can call these people Republicans at this point . This bill is no big deal , but this Birther Bill is a disgrace . Don't these people have important business to attend to ? We need some real Republicans to run against these people and change the legislative session to a week a year until they learn to behave .
fourtruth
9th Ammendment, Bill of Rights
10:36 PM on 04/25/2011
You mean "real people" to run?
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
06:00 PM on 04/13/2011
"I can't face a class if I don't know how many students are carrying guns," said John Hildebrand

And I couldn't be bothered to take a class from a professor who doesn't even bother to check the facts before expressing an opinion.
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spark340
06:27 AM on 04/16/2011
I knew a Pasadena , CA elementary school teacher wounded by a 5th grader . Lucky he couldn't shoot strait . Of course it is illegal to carry anywhere in LA as far as I know . So much for that argument . Criminals and Psychos don't care what the law is .
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David Carson
02:17 PM on 04/17/2011
outside of law enforcement--there is no licensed carry except for a handful of the rich and powerful--and there are no licensed 5th graders--so several laws were broken
fourtruth
9th Ammendment, Bill of Rights
10:38 PM on 04/25/2011
And you believe that students running around campus with guns are going to run home to deposit them before the bell rings and then run back to class without the gun?
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HisXLNC
No.
04:54 PM on 04/13/2011
""I can't face a class if I don't know how many students are carrying guns," said John Hildebrand, "

Then you should have never become a teacher, John Hildebrand. Because regardless of the law, you will never know how many students are carrying guns.
01:09 AM on 04/14/2011
We've been assured by you and your fellow propagandists on countless occasions that gun-owners are consistently law-abiding. Isn't unauthorized concealed carry in restricted areas a felony?
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Adam Davies
11:13 AM on 04/14/2011
Yes, but he is not talking about the law-abiding citizens. He is talking about the criminals. We never said all gun-owners are law abiding. We have said that only the law abiding citizens care about the law, and that criminals will carry wherever they please. Because of that, students with their CHLs should be allowed to carry, in case we need to use that right we have from the Constitution to bear arms in self defense.
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HisXLNC
No.
12:45 AM on 04/15/2011
Even if every student in his class were obeying the law, he still wouldn't know how many students are carrying guns. The only way he could know is if he were omniscient or he set up a TSA checkpoint at the doorway to his class room.
12:14 PM on 04/15/2011
Of course you are right. But I think the point is that encouraging, rather than prohibiting, the carrying of guns on campus will likely increase the number of armed students the teacher will be facing. If the guy sitting next to you is carrying, you will probably want to carry too because you don't know what he is capable of.
.....Does anyone not think that a conversation with a person carrying a deadly weapon changes the whole dynamic of a situation? As Johnny Cash once sang:

[Chorus]
Don't take your guns to town son
Leave your guns at home Bill
Don't take your guns to town

He laughed and kissed his mom
And said your Billy Joe's a man
I can shoot as quick and straight as anybody can
But I wouldn't shoot without a cause
I'd gun nobody down
But she cried again as he rode away

You can guess how it ends.
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
03:45 PM on 04/15/2011
How can the dynamic of a conversation be changed if the second party is not aware the first party is armed? Many, if not most, locales that have concealed carry laws expressly forbid you to allow your weapon to be observed unless being used specifically for its legal intended purpose.
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spark340
06:40 AM on 04/16/2011
Sorry , but I am not a huge Johnny Cash Fan . Concealed Carry permits are not that easy to get , and I didn't notice your concern for less than well trained campus security being armed . No sane person uses a deadly weapon as a toy or in cases where deadly force is inappropriate . I would worry much more about the campus police than legally armed students . That's for sure! And what about those who don't care about the law ? Do they carry ? Virginia has a law against carry on their campuses . Too bad law abiding citizens don't have the same options as the lawless ! Many innocent people would be alive today .