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France Burqa Ban Takes Effect; Two Women Detained

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By CAMILLE RUSTICI   04/11/11 09:57 AM ET   AP

PARIS -- France's new ban on Islamic face veils was met with a burst of defiance Monday, as several women appeared veiled in front of Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral and two were detained for taking part in an unauthorized protest.

France on Monday became the first country to ban the veils anywhere in public, from outdoor marketplaces to the sidewalks and boutiques of the Champs-Elysees.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy set the wheels in motion for the ban nearly two years ago, saying the veils imprison women and contradict this secular nation's values of dignity and equality. The ban enjoyed wide public support when it was approved by parliament last year.

Though only a very small minority of France's at least 5 million Muslims wear the veil, many Muslims see the ban as a stigma against the country's No. 2 religion.

About a dozen people, including three women wearing niqab veils with just a slit for the eyes, staged a protest in front of Notre Dame on Monday, saying the ban is an affront to their freedom of expression and religion.

Much larger crowds of police, journalists and tourists filled the square.

One of the veiled women was seen taken away in a police van. A police officer on the site told The Associated Press that she was detained because the protest was not authorized and the woman refused to leave when police asked her to. The officer was not allowed to be publicly named.

The Paris police administration said another woman was also detained for taking part in the unauthorized demonstration.

It was unclear whether the women were also fined for wearing a veil. The law says veiled women risk a euro150 ($215) fine or special citizenship classes, though not jail.

People who force women to don a veil are subject to up to a year in prison and a euro30,000 fine ($43,000), and possibly twice that if the veiled person is a minor.

The law is worded to trip safely through legal minefields: The words "women," "Muslim" and "veil" are not even mentioned. The law says it is illegal to hide the face in the public space.

While Italy also has a law against concealing the face for security reasons, France's law was the first conceived to target veil-wearers. Sarkozy said he wanted a ban, and that the veils are not welcome in France.

Moderate Muslim leaders in France and elsewhere agree that Islam does not require women to cover their faces, but many are uncomfortable with banning the veil. Religious leaders have denounced the measure, and are struggling with what to advise the faithful.

The plans for a ban prompted protests in Pakistan last year and warnings from al-Qaida. It also has devout Muslim tourists skittish, since it applies to visitors as well as French citizens.

Authorities estimate at most 2,000 women in France wear the outlawed veils. France's Muslims number at least 5 million, the largest such population in western Europe.

The ban affects women who wear the niqab, which has just a slit for the eyes, and the burqa, which has a mesh screen over the eyes.

Kenza Drider, who lives in Avignon and wears a niqab, calls the ban racist. She was planning to attend Monday's protest.

Right before the ban came into effect, she said she would continue to go "shopping, to the post office and to city hall if necessary. I will under no circumstance stop wearing my veil."

"If I am warned verbally and must appear before the local prosecutor.... I will appeal to the European Court of Human Rights," she told AP Television News.

The veil, for her, "is a submission to God," Drider said.

Police complained that the law will be a challenge to enforce.

"The law will be infinitely difficult to apply, and it will be infinitely rarely applied, unfortunately," Emmanuel Roux of the police union SCPN said on France-Inter radio.

He said police have been instructed not to use force to remove the veils, and that if a woman refuses to remove it, the police officer is meant to call the prosecutor for further legal action. Only in very extreme cases, he said, would a woman be jailed for refusal to remove a veil.

Public opinion in Paris on the morality of enforcing the ban appears mixed.

"It's not a racist law. It's just a law that is coming from the history of France and so you need to accept it if you want to integrate into France and with French people," insisted Laurent Berrebe, an economist walking in central Paris on Monday.

Nurse Olfa Belmanaa is opposed. "We are in France, we are in a democractic country where everyone has the right to do what they want. If they want to wear a veil or go competely nude that's their right."

The ban had strong support from France's leading parties on left and right, in a country where some people equate the veils with extremism and security risks. France separated church and state with a 1905 law, but has struggled in recent years to integrate a growing Muslim population and nuances of the Muslim faith.

Police on Saturday arrested 61 people for attempting to hold an outlawed Paris protest against the pending ban.

Many Muslims have also felt stigmatized by a 2004 law that banned Islamic headscarves in classrooms.

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Jeffrey Schaeffer and Angela Charlton in Paris contributed to this report.

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03:57 PM on 04/23/2011
The veil, for her, "is a submission to God," Drider said.

Submission to Allah, one dare think, entails submission to his will. The will of the Islamic god concept is known queerly through analog reproduction in the form of the Quran, not to forget the supplement-source books titled as Hadith. The latter, within the context of the religion, is the inerrant and perfect Word of God.
With that said, the Quran provides clear indication that for one to submit to this god concept's will is the same as holding the stance that females lack the same rights as a male does, at least until death ;)
I am rather certain the comments from others have already presented excerpts from the Quran that have indicated as such, along with attempts from apologists to dismiss the direct words from god as meaning something else or some other harmful foolery.

Now, with that said...
I would expect the law to be applied to everyone. If there is in fact some other form of garment that meets the criteria of the the ban, it must be equally enforced as reason dictates if it is not, the supporting foundation is found unsound and refuting the validity of its merit.
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03:11 PM on 04/20/2011
So it's the woman's fault that muslim men cannot control their urges and that's why they have to wear tents. Gotcha. Just wanted to be clear on that.
06:08 AM on 04/15/2011
It´s pre islamic and therefore hard to justify with religious freedom. Certain "clothing styles" stand for something, can be viewed as positive or negative. If I would walk around in a SS-uniform, I am sure I would get my fair share of attention, most likely negative and rightly so.
Islam has a reputation, unlike some other religions, it is not the most positive one. One can argue that its their business how they dress, behave, what law they follow, etc... Nobody seems to feel threatened by a buddhist- or shik temple. I have never once heard a offencive remark about buddist monks walking around in their traditional robes. For centuries Europeans had to fend off the clerik and religious influence. We now enjoy the protection of our secular constitutions that grant us freedoms and rights beyond imagination. If Christianity would be in the position Islam is today, I would feel just as offended by their claims of how women should behave, that we should follow Christian laws and not the legal system we have now.
I find it very interesting, that Vietnamese, Philippinos, Chinese, and many other non muslim immigrants in Europe have almost no issues with the "Indigenous Europeans". The big debate is 95 percent of the time over the moslems. Why? Immigration is a two way street and by no means easy for either side, especially for the ones who left their homelands. But again, the big debate is usually over the muslim immigrants.
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12:16 AM on 04/15/2011
Great move by France in furtherance of Western Civilization. Congratulations to a Nation that knows its history.
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08:07 PM on 04/13/2011
Dumb move. People can wear whatever they want, for whatever reasons they want.
09:23 AM on 04/13/2011
When the French government cannot stop Muslim men from following the Shariah, it decides to oppress Muslim women a little more. Wow what a solution. Yeah I am sure OBL must be shaking in his cave, crying for these women and thinking of surrendering. NOT.
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07:40 AM on 04/13/2011
Oh boy, I pitty the cops who have to carry on this ridiculous law.
I urge everybody to watch this video underlying the absurdity of the whole story, named "La ballade de Niquabitch dans Paris". Yes, you don't need to speak French to understand the concept...
http://vimeo.com/15104826
The cops are actually embarrassed but supportive - one takes a picture with her cellphone...
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04:01 AM on 04/13/2011
Very simple question: Will there be a cop to arrest a christian woman wearing a veil as she enters the church on he wedding day? Will there be a cop to arrest a woman wearing a christian or jewish mourning veil? If the answer is no then this is simpley an attack on a single religion.
12:06 PM on 04/13/2011
you obviously didn't read the artile; this is for people wearing burqas.
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FTracy3
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01:27 PM on 04/13/2011
I'm not a fan of the ban but to compare the burqa to these two exampales is silly. Both are a temporary, relatively private situations, and the other is full time public obfuscation of your identity.
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09:07 PM on 04/12/2011
For the people that say that there's no "Freedom of religion" in France's constitution.... Article 1 of the French constitution http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/english/8ab.asp ......... "France shall be an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic. It shall ensure the equality of all citizens before the law, without distinction of origin, race or religion. It shall respect all beliefs. It shall be organised on a decentralised basis."
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08:09 PM on 04/12/2011
“Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.” - Franklin
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04:03 PM on 04/12/2011
This makes me uncomfortable. Will France now make it against the law for religious Jewish women to wear head coverings (hats, wigs)? How about Catholic women wearing scarfs to Mass?
As a good Congregationalist, I whole heartedly support the separation between church and state and this seems a bit too intrusive to me.
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Annespeaks
04:19 PM on 04/12/2011
It's not all veils that are banned but only the niqab and burqa which cover everything but the eyes. They are a security risk. The burqa and niqab are not required under Islamic law (not even close) so has nothing to do with religious expression - this is purely personal choice which happens to go against French culture and common sense. Nothing as drastic as you make out. Actually quite a reasonable law.
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DanoX
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04:04 AM on 04/13/2011
Security risk? What historical basis within french borders do they have to make such an unfounded claim?
04:36 AM on 04/18/2011
Concealed arms are a security risk, shall we make everyone walk around naked?
overcat
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06:48 PM on 04/12/2011
In France the separation between church and state means that the church does not run the state, and that the state - which is the people - does not need to bow to all "religious" considerations. Every "religious", or actual religious practice is not legal in France as well as many other countries.
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DanoX
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04:07 AM on 04/13/2011
"It shall respect all beliefs" is what the french constitution says. Or is the french government claiming the power to deem whose religious beliefs are founded and which are not?
03:12 PM on 04/12/2011
wearingthis outfit reminds me of people who are afraid to leave their homes or just go outside.