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RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR   04/11/11 06:33 AM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Now it's their turn to try to fix the health care mess. Republicans, just like President Barack Obama, may discover that's easier said than done.

The GOP budget expected to go to the full House this week would remake health care programs for the elderly and the poor that have been in place for nearly half a century. Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., says his approach would "save" Medicare by keeping the financially troubled program affordable for federal taxpayers.

But it turns out that people now 54 and younger would pay the price.

By one authoritative estimate, they'd be on the hook for most of their own health care costs after they become eligible for Medicare as retirees. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office says the typical beneficiary would be expected to pay more than two-thirds of his or her medical costs by the year 2030.

Costs wouldn't come down; they'd just get shifted.

"It's a political nonstarter," said health care consultant Robert Laszewski, a former insurance executive and strong critic of Obama's overhaul. "It kills Medicare as we know it, and that is simply too popular a program among seniors and their children."

Cue the Democratic political ads for the 2012 campaign.

Republicans may escape the full wrath of seniors, however, since the House budget isn't likely to get very far. It won't pass the Democratic-run Senate. House members can vote for the budget's tough medicine without having to dish it out before they run for re-election. But Democrats running against them in 2012 won't let voters forget the budget, just as Republicans hammered Democrats last year over Medicare cuts in Obama's health care law.

Whatever happens to his budget, Ryan's general idea that seniors should bear more direct responsibility for decisions that affect health care costs isn't going away.

"If everybody who bought health care was paying more when they get a more expensive plan, that would create a lot more pressure to bring costs down," said Mark McClellan, who ran Medicare for President George W. Bush. "There's reason to think that reforms that engage beneficiaries in getting less costly care will make a difference."

The principle behind Ryan's plan is that seniors making their own decisions about health insurance can do a better job of keeping costs in check than Washington bureaucrats playing whack-a-mole with rising prices.

That's different from the approach in Obama's health care law, which relies on government to police the market and would deny insurers that jack up premiums the right to sign up customers who are receiving taxpayer subsidies.

The GOP budget "will preserve Medicare through competition among health plans for the business of millions seniors," said Ryan.

But would it work as envisioned?

Under Ryan's plan, Medicare would remain largely the same for current beneficiaries and people within 10 years of retirement. The biggest change for this group would be the revival of the "doughnut hole" gap in Medicare prescription coverage that Obama's health care law eliminated. (The GOP budget calls for repeal of the new law.)

Then, starting in 2022, new retirees would get a fixed amount of money to buy private insurance from a choice of plans regulated by the government. The sick would get more money, the wealthy less. The payment would be adjusted for inflation.

Ryan calls his approach "premium support." Critics call it the voucher plan.

The Congressional Budget Office analysis suggested the new system would start running into problems right away.

Buying the Medicare benefit package from a private insurer would turn out to be significantly more expensive. Medicare typically pays hospitals and doctors less than private insurance. Without some kind of effort to control private health care costs, the government contribution toward premiums wouldn't go very far.

"I don't believe you can pursue this approach for Medicare and not at the same time address the problem of cost growth in the private health care sector," said economist Robert Reischauer, a former budget office director. "To do so would result in a two-tier health care system." Reischauer says he's sympathetic to the voucher system in principle, just not this version.

Ryan had developed an earlier form of his proposal jointly with a prominent Democratic economist, Alice Rivlin, a former vice chair of the Federal Reserve. Although Ryan publicly cited her in unveiling his plan, Rivlin said she doesn't support this version.

The government health care payment in the GOP budget would quickly fall behind medical inflation, Rivlin said. "Ryan has lowered the growth rate so that it's really punitive," she added. Rivlin also says seniors should be given a choice between staying in traditional Medicare and a voucher system.

She also differs with Ryan on raising taxes. "You can't do it all on the spending side, because the cuts required are Draconian," Rivlin said.

Despite the political risks Republicans take with their Medicare remake, they won't get much in savings over the 10-year estimating window that Congress applies to the budget. It's because the shift to a new system doesn't come until 2022.

That's not the case with Medicaid. The health care program for the poor would be turned over to the states and spending cut by more than $700 billion over time.

Although the GOP's 2012 budget reduces total government spending by more than $5 trillion over a decade, that still wouldn't bring the federal budget into balance.

One of Obama's top advisers, David Plouffe, says the president this week will offer his own plan for reducing long-term spending. The details will come from Obama, Plouffe says, although the adviser acknowledges that cuts to Medicare and Medicaid will be necessary.

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EDITOR'S NOTE – Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar covers health care for The Associated

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Online:

House GOP budget: http://budget.house.gov/fy2012budget/

Congressional Budget Office: http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index12128

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WASHINGTON — Now it's their turn to try to fix the health care mess. Republicans, just like President Barack Obama, may discover that's easier said than done. The GOP budget expected to go to t...
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hawhite2000
...for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee
05:24 AM on 04/18/2011
It hit me the other day how if this plan repeals the affordable care act then the protections that were enacted go out the window since they weren't added back in; so when grandma needs a new knee she gets it but after the surgery is done the insurance company drops her. Compassionate Conservatism gotta love it....
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JohnSawyer
arglebargy
03:35 PM on 04/15/2011
It's laughable that the Republicans claim that the reason they want people to pay more in medical costs, is to somehow put competitive pressure on the health care and insurance industries to lower prices, by people shopping for lower-cost private insurance plans. There are few such lower-priced plans, and most people don't qualify for them, and such plans will increasingly disappear--and, once people can no longer get competitive coverage via Medicare, the private insurers will have them over a barrel because there will be no alternative to the private insurers. We all know this is how it works--it's amazing (once again) how the Republicans are trying to sell the private insurance market as the prudent, caring savior that everyone knows they're not. Hopefully voters will remember this ongoing Republican scam in 2012.
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
09:55 AM on 04/13/2011
Obama gives $7.5 Billion to Pakistan!
Obama Gives 73 Loans to Libyan Banks!
Obama gives $400 Million to Palestinians!
Obama gives Taxpayer $Millions to Afghan Banks!
Obama gives $23 Million to Kenya for ABORTIONS!
Obama gives Another $150 Million to Palestinians!
Obama gives Stimulus Grants to the MusIim Brotherhood!
Obama gives $400 Million to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)
All links here... http://usataxpayer.org/view.as...
12:47 AM on 04/14/2011
You're locked in a box of your own making....that much is true.
05:03 PM on 04/12/2011
Republicans have no desire to fix anything including health care. They had 16 years to even put out a plan and did nothing and though the Democrats incorporated many of their proposals, they could not even support the latest health care plan because they could use it as a wedge issue to divide voters. Paul Ryans plan is to destroy Medicaid and Medicare. It should turn over any reasoning individual.
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lisakaz2
Da ministero dell'interno di Snark.
04:43 PM on 04/12/2011
Corporations getting ready to ramp up running roughshod over seniors. My mother gets that now courtesy of a "Medicare Advantage" plan. The company takes the money, claims they aren't getting forms from some doc, but tells the medical biller my father isn't covered. Perfect scam. Health care companies are grifters. Ryan is an enabler.
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
09:58 AM on 04/13/2011
Hidden in the pages Nancy did not need to read is the plan you speak of
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lisakaz2
Da ministero dell'interno di Snark.
01:50 PM on 04/13/2011
Huh? It's already starting.
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realpolitic
Proud member of the reality-based community!
04:30 PM on 04/12/2011
Ryan's plan would also lower tax rates on the wealthy and Big Business to 25%.  That is the Republican way to lower taxes on the rich and to balance the budget on the backs of the poor.  Ryan and Republicans really do not want to fix Medicare, they want to eliminate it.  That is why their proposals to fix the system are so Draconian.  We already have a two-tiered society since Reagan was in office with the rich getting extremely wealthy and the poor and middle class losing ground.  Ryan's plan makes past Republican policies look charitable in contrast.  Do not trust Republicans with the making of policy for social security and Medicare recipients.  They are just too heartless and think the poor deserve their plight.
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
10:00 AM on 04/13/2011
Don't you ever get board of repeating the talking points as told? the top 1 percent pay 40 percent of the taxes and you want them to pay more?
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lisakaz2
Da ministero dell'interno di Snark.
01:56 PM on 04/13/2011
And their share of national wealth has grown exponentially in the last decade. Where is this "shared sacrifice" because all they've gotten is MORE spoils where the rest of America falters. How came % wise Warren Buffet pays less than his assistant? Just because $ wise they give more doesn't mean they actually give much. Citing their obscene wealth as a claim they pay too much is asinine. You want a billionaire to pay the same amount of money as a homeless person, right? Get off YOUR talking point.
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03:56 PM on 04/12/2011
Those 55 and over had better "refudiate" the Ryan plan or get prepared for the rest of us to advocate throwing them under the bus. Why should those of us pay for their "version of medicare" when there will be nothing for us when it's our turn. Current seniors on medicare, including those who were talking about "keeping your hands off of my medicare" when President Obama was trying to reform health care recoup their total payments into the system their first year on medicare.

The vast majority of those 65 and older who paid 1.45% of their earnings since 1965 into medicare would recoup their entire contributions after one night of hospitalization based on current hospitalization costs. So they had better recognize the class warfare the Repugs are playing here and stick up for those of us who are paying their medical costs or why should we continue paying theirs.
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cam1002
The People's Budget - It WILL Work
04:45 PM on 04/12/2011
I am retired now and will be on Medicare at the end of this year. I am with you 100%. Ryan's plan is a disaster in the making but President Obama is putting medicaid and medicare on the "table" we need to stand up to him, round up the other Dems in congress and fight him on this. Medicare is a successful program but could probably use some "tweaking" but not in budget negotiations. Same with medicaid. There is fraud and waste in both systems so what does gov't do? Cut budgets for investigators and enforcement of the laws. The political system as we know it today is absolutely insane.
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rel77
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused
03:19 PM on 04/12/2011
No discussion about cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid can be rational or reasonable without first taking on the issues of taxes and military spending. There is almost nothing in the federal budget that I wouldn't want to see reduced in order to protect these programs as they currently exist.
I know for a fact that the overwhelming majority of senior citizens in this country would be deeply hurt by cuts to SS and Medicare. I know this because my mother was a typical example of one of these people. She had no pension, only the money she saved over her lifetime, and she lived off the interest from her investments, which was about $5000 a year, plus SS. She had to watch every penny she spent to make ends meet, along with some help from her children. She would have been deeply affected by any reduction in copays or benefits, and would have had no options to supplement them.
Children and seniors often find themselves in similar circumstances, dependent on the rest of us to survive. We have to take that responsibility very seriously, and ask ourselves "what can WE do without in order to give them a decent standard of living?" I think the answer most of time would be, we can do without historically low tax rates and funding for two or three wars.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
03:17 PM on 04/12/2011
Ryan  How dare you  & GOP  be so  greedy !!  Your bill  is shameful  You  give  more Corp billionaire  cuts after Reagan Bush & 2010 Congress did that - You  do so on the  backs  of  our kids education, Pell Grants, funds for disabled, heat for poor- demolishing - privatizing Medicare.. Throwing low mid -mid  income Seniors to the wolves (  Private Insurance CO 's  ) who will eat  the old and sick alive .
We are much smarter than you con artists .  You will pay in 2012 and beyond 
GOP lost me when Bush  Paulson  Cheney - con courts, con Goldman Fed  dumped  the
2008   global crash -   TARP /  depression  on a new  President 
Bush & GOP  took the cowards  way out.   Walking away  unscathed.
 No responsiblity taken for  the incredible  damage  they caused  !
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
03:05 PM on 04/12/2011
Everyone all together now repeat after me! One and Done
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
02:52 PM on 04/12/2011
The Compromise:
Raise taxes on all Democrats. Anyone notice Obama is growing his dictator mustache? Looks like the Democratic strategy Schumer let slip is playing out. Only problem is, too many people know the real problem here is the Democrats. I assume the next step will be for Pelosi and the other libs to go to a secret hideout somewhere in Illinois? Wonder if the Trio of evil wishes they had done their jobs over a year ago
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GammaRayBurst
03:00 PM on 04/12/2011
Dictator mustache? Huh. Anybody notice how trashy your avatar is?
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
03:33 PM on 04/12/2011
Hey thats my gal your talking about!
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dianhow
former Repub till W
03:22 PM on 04/12/2011
lox    you  are deluded -&  duped   Reality  check      2 1/4 yrs  of Obama after
taking on several  disasters  at once    We lived  28   years under Reaganomics  Bush 1-2
Cheney  /  GOP congress'    W had one for 6 yrs  that  led us to 2008 global   crash  TARP - 
edge  of depression   - long wars for profits    3  huge tax      debt-  lies- greed-  fear tactics  
GOP  COns can not get out of that one    no matter  how many lies are told   
  deal  with reality   not FOX BS
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
03:34 PM on 04/12/2011
What you have said has nothing to do with the truth try reading the constitution as I suggested. You stand corrected and you are welcome
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Jeanette DeBella Bogue
pretty sure I'm going straight to hell....
02:50 PM on 04/12/2011
Really really off topic:

Democrats make better lovers, after all, who has ever heard of a nice piece of elephant?
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
03:03 PM on 04/12/2011
yeah a piece of tail
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pakaal
Pigs, in cages, on antibiotics
02:49 PM on 04/12/2011
"Costs wouldn't come down; they'd just get shifted."

Wow, looks like folks are finally actually looking at how Ryan's plan works. Good, the more sunlight on this the better.
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dianhow
former Repub till W
03:24 PM on 04/12/2011
Ryan /   GOP Liars     10 yrs  of Bush  tax  cuts   did  nothing for jobs   or  wages 
   ALL in the crapper    RYAN   GOP COUNTS ON GULLIBLE  DUMB FOLKS  
SO FOOL  THEM  THIS TIME
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
02:47 PM on 04/12/2011
Obama is to be complemented on his deft management of 3 wars simultaneously. No other president in history has succeeded in meting out destruction on so many fronts and all without eliciting so much as a peep from the anti-war left. Not a march or protest or sit in --only silent approval. It certainly eliminates any pretension that the Left is genuinely against war. Now we know they are just political animals with no principled opposition to war. In the future their bleating against political opponents couched in the mendacity of a legitimate opposition to war will fall on deaf ears. And we owe this unmasking, this insight to their hero, Mr. Obama , who exposed them for all to see.The Flee Baggers are so evil they literally make the tea party members look like a tea party. Look There never was an anti-war movement it was an anti-Bush movement. Flee Baggers love war and torture! What they hated was Bush. Just look at their actions and you can see it is a fact! As always you can contact me at work http://www.usa-businessreview.com and yes keep those jokes coming. This is truly class warfare!! Those who care about America, vs the organized crime union some still call the Democratic party. Obama couldn't lead a group of drunks to a bar for free beer night.
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Loxinabox
I live in a van down by the river
03:06 PM on 04/12/2011
What no response? Shocked by the truth? Thanks for the laugh girls
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dianhow
former Repub till W
03:26 PM on 04/12/2011
 YEAH   TWO  WARS  DUMPED ON  OBAMA  SINCE BUSH  CHENEY  HAD NO CLUE  HOW TO END THEM         WISE  UP CONS  
  ANTI  BUSH ?  WELL  HELL YEAH       LONG WARS   DEBT  LIES- GREED- MELTDOWN-   TARP   
AND DUMB TO BOOT