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Debt Ceiling Fight: Democrats See Republicans In 'Blazing Saddles' Strategy

Debt Ceiling Hostage Tactics

First Posted: 04/12/11 08:51 PM ET Updated: 06/12/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Are Republicans following a “Blazing Saddles” strategy in the looming standoff over the nation’s debt limit?

Imagine the scene in the Mel Brooks classic, where Cleavon Little points a gun at his own head and threatens to shoot if the armed townspeople don’t drop their weapons.

“Listen to him, men. He's just crazy enough to do it!” one says.

That’s how some Democrats view GOP demands for “really, really big” concessions on spending and deficits in return for raising America’s debt ceiling. They think Republicans are essentially threatening to take a step that would spark an economic catastrophe -- and that the public would blame the GOP for it.

“It reminds me of the joke where the guy comes home and finds his wife in bed with another guy, puts the gun to his head and his wife starts laughing,” Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.) told the Huffington Post. “He says ‘Who are you laughing at? You’re next!’”

“The next hostage event seems to be the debt limit,” House Minority Whip Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said.

“The only reason you can hold hostage something is because the other side wants to act responsible,” he added. “Therefore you think, even though they don't want what you're pressing, that [Democrats will] take it to prevent a bigger harm. I think that's irresponsible."

Even some Republicans privately wonder how the leadership can plausibly threaten a move that could pull the plug on the economy while arguing they want to fix the economy.

“That’s a damn good question,” one GOP Financial Services aide acknowledged. “Even the Ryan budget requires raising the debt ceiling,” the staffer said, referring to the Republicans’ 2012 budget plan offered last week by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.)

“It’s Alice in Wonderland territory,” the aide said.

To recap, the U.S. debt ceiling is the maximum amount set by Congress that the country can borrow to meet its obligations. Now standing at $14.3 trillion, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner warns the nation will hit it in mid-May. The Treasury can juggle the books for several weeks after that to pay the bills, but America will default for the first time since dropping the gold standard if the limit is not raised by early July.

Economists have warned defaulting would spark economic calamity, beginning with spiking interest rates on bonds and potentially ending with a new, worse recession.

“Yes, the Republicans are threatening to wreck the U.S. economy unless they get their way,” said Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), who chaired the Joint Economic Committee before the GOP won the last election.

The reason the GOP stance seems like a bad joke to many Democrats is that Congress can't avoid raising the debt limit, whatever anyone says. The math just won’t allow it.

It's all but impossible to cut enough from the budget to avoid smacking into the limit, which last week was only about $80 billion away, a fact that many people have overlooked..

According to the Congressional Research Service, the nation needs to raise its debt limit by $738 billion just to finish 2011 -- and there is only about $688 billion in discretionary spending left for the second half of the year. Cutting that spending would only delay the need to hike the debt, because there is, after all, an awful lot of interest to pay.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), the top Democrat on the Financial Services Committee, noted that the debt involves money that was already spent: on wars, an unfunded Medicare drug program and tax cuts, for instance, which he pointed out he didn't support.

“The way you deal with debt is by not incurring it,” Frank told HuffPost. “The notion that you can incur it and then ignore it is stupid.”

Yet Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) has vowed to use the debt ceiling as a " leverage moment," and declared Tuesday, “We’re only talking about even doing this [raising the debt limit] if we can be assured there are guarantees in place that the spending doesn’t get out of control here.”

“Maybe they’ve got an imaginary magic leverage stick,” quipped Ackerman, a senior member of the Financial Services Committee.

Thinking along fairy tale lines, Frank argued that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) know what has to be done. But he said they could have a hard time doing it because of both the new Tea Party members in their base and fears of primary challenges from the Tea Party.

“Nobody knows just how far removed from reality these people are,” Frank said. “If we were dealing with just John Boehner and Mitch McConnell, it would be one thing. When you’re dealing with John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, the White Rabbit and the Mad Hatter, it’s unpredictable."

“This is not Samuel Adams’ Tea Party; this is Lewis Carroll’s Tea Party we’re dealing with here,” Frank said.

And that gives Democrats pause, Ackerman said, leaving him feeling a little like Cleavon Little’s townspeople.

“The problem is they might just go ahead and do it,” Ackerman said.

“In a political world in which [Minnesota Republican Rep.] Michele Bachmann is a serious person, then not raising the debt limit becomes a serious threat,” said Frank.

Ackerman and Frank, though, think maybe it’s time to call the bluff, rather than have Democrats give the GOP concessions as they did on this year's budget and last winter's tax cuts.

“They’re in charge, which means they’re supposed to be the grown-ups this year,” said Ackerman, admitting, as Frank did, that the minority party generally opposes the debt limit. “But their strategy of 'let’s hold our breath until our face turns blue' is not a good strategy. I think the American people will blame them.”

“Refuse to pay any attention to the threat,” Frank advised his colleagues and the White House. “And make no concessions.”

“I think it’s clear they’d pay a very high price for this,” Frank added.

Nevertheless, reports from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Tuesday suggested President Obama might throw the GOP at least several bones in his fiscal responsibility speech set for Wednesday -- a prospect frowned upon by Ackerman.

“For my taste, I’d like to see a stronger executive branch where they’re really helping direct things rather than standing by just watching them,” he said.

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WASHINGTON -- Are Republicans following a “Blazing Saddles” strategy in the looming standoff over the nation’s debt limit? Imagine the scene in the Mel Brooks classic, where Cleavon Little po...
WASHINGTON -- Are Republicans following a “Blazing Saddles” strategy in the looming standoff over the nation’s debt limit? Imagine the scene in the Mel Brooks classic, where Cleavon Little po...
 
 
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05:23 PM on 04/28/2011
Three C's not in the vocabulary of Congress are common sense, Constitutional and courage.
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kamact
Market Observer
12:09 AM on 04/14/2011
Clowns in suits planning unreasonable events
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caseyblab
07:56 PM on 04/13/2011
The GOP seems to be doing the flatulence scenes. Fitting.
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fgbouman
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06:30 PM on 04/13/2011
House Democrats should simply abstain from voting on this. Whichever is decided will be in the hands of the House Republicans. The Senate Democrats would, of course, vote in favor.
Republicans want to have their cake and eat it too... And the Democrats have kindly obliged them by giving up their own. Time to start with some tough politics.
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frankcaprafan
Stay healthy Hillary
03:50 PM on 04/13/2011
The line in Blazing Saddles that best depicts Republicans was said by Taggert (Slim Pickens):

"Now if that don't beat all. Here we take the good time and trouble to slaughter every last Indian in the West, and for what? So we can appoint a sheriff that's blacker than any Indian. I am depressed. "
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CajunSpectre
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08:00 PM on 04/13/2011
To me antics of the House republicans are more like the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles where all of the cowboys were around the fire eating pork and beans and...well if you saw the unedited original version of the movie you will know what I mean.
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02:05 PM on 04/13/2011
Where are the mods??? mikedougles and cabinetmaker have been posting the same remarks over and over again, and making personal attacks on other posters. They need to be banned.
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Rastus
Peace Monger
01:24 PM on 04/13/2011
Mr. President, start by reminding your friends across the aisle that they voted for the Bush tax cuts which were supposed to increase revenue by reducing the tax rate on the very rich. Point out that this did not work. Next, point out that the GOP voted in lock step with Pres. Bush to invade two countries because the invasion of Iraq would pay for itself in oil revenues. Point out that it didn't pay for itself. Point out that most of our deficit comes from the GOP voting in lock step again to keep their two wars "off budget" so they could pretend that they were being responsible. Point out that pretending is different from being responsible.

You cannot have a debate with disingenuous people. You cannot compromise with people who refuse to acknowledge either the sitaution we are in or what they have done to create that situation.
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Daphydd
Lets play some music
01:36 PM on 04/13/2011
Fanned for an excellent post. I agree: start by placing the blame where it belongs.
03:03 PM on 04/13/2011
Fanned for making way too much sense to be acted upon in Washington!
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idisVA
01:22 PM on 04/13/2011
Boehner was out feeling the pulse of his buddies on Wall Street as to how far he and Tonto Cantor can play Russian roulette with the America Way Of Life. One of the responses he received was the following: “They don’t seem to understand that you can't put everything back in the box. Once that fear of default is in the markets, it doesn't just go away. We'll be paying the price for years in higher rates,” said one
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fgbouman
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06:33 PM on 04/13/2011
The idea of Russian roulette is that you risk your own life. In this case it is ours that they are risking, not their own.
Rastus
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01:16 PM on 04/13/2011
The GOP has amnesia. Pres. Obama should begin his speech by reminding the USA that we got where we are today by means of the Bush tax cuts for the very rich and a quarter century of repealing regulation.
Tax the corporations--especially the ones that exported our jobs--and the super wealthy. Listen to the economists: not the time to cut spending, you can see this by looking at the European nations that did so. Duh.
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06:59 PM on 04/13/2011
Fanned & Favorite.

Amazing how republicans forget those facts.

Not to mention the two wars, during which Bush gave massive tax cuts to the rich.

And isn't it amazing how The US Chamber of Commerce, which should be for US Companies and their workers, has no problem with companies that send all their work overseas.

Now that's "Patriotism We Can Believe In".
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samidean
01:14 PM on 04/13/2011
OT, but another instance of an airliner not being able to get any response from air traffic controllers, this time at Reno.  This is the third time in three weeks that this has happened.  This time it was a Medivac plane with a critical patient on board, that ended up having to land without air traffic controller help.  The Republicans want even more cuts for air traffic controllers, and this will only get worse.  This is what their never ending, not well thought out spending cuts is going to get us.  It doesn't matter whether or not you fly, as we are all sitting ducks for these planes right here on the ground.
cabinetmaker
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01:16 PM on 04/13/2011
your beloved gov at work
or not at work
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idisVA
01:27 PM on 04/13/2011
Republicans care less if we die.
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1johnf
What would Studs say?
01:12 PM on 04/13/2011
"CBO has prepared this report on transactions completed, outstanding, and anticipated under the TARP as of March 3, 2011. CBO estimates that the cost to the federal government of the TARP's transactions (also referred to as the subsidy cost), including grants for mortgage programs that have not been made yet, will amount to $19 billion." "When the TARP was created, the U.S. financial system was in a precarious condition, and the transactions envisioned and ultimately undertaken engendered substantial financial risk for the federal government. The costs directly associated with the TARP, when taken in isolation, have come out toward the low end of the range of possible outcomes anticipated when the program was launched..." -source CBO

WHEN WILL YOU KNUCKLEHEADS STOP BLAMING THE STIMULUS BILL, THAT SAVED US FROM GOING INTO ANOTHER MAJOR DEPRESSION, FOR A DEFICiT MAINLY INCURRED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION???

And when will progressives start using this as evidence that government can make a difference in the everyday lives of ordinary Americans and trumpet this as a policy success??? Ask the millions of autoworkers and parts suppliers who did not lose their jobs as a result of allowing GM & Chyrsler to fail!! Then ask, why we should give the keys to the car to those who drove it into the ditch?
01:14 PM on 04/13/2011
Thank you, however, I believe those on the right will refuse to believe these figures, just like they refuse to believe the state of Hawaii regarding Obama's birth certificate. They deal in fantasy and ideology not facts.
cabinetmaker
made in USA
01:17 PM on 04/13/2011
TARP and Stimulus are 2 different things

who started TARP?