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French Burqa Ban Enforced As Woman Receives Ticket

France Burka Ban

By ANGELA CHARLTON   04/12/11 07:34 AM ET   AP

PARIS -- A woman has been ticketed in a suburban Paris shopping center for wearing a face veil, in the first reported sanction under a new ban on the garments, police said Tuesday.

Another woman in another Paris suburb was stopped for wearing a veil, but was let go with a warning.

The inconsistent response illustrates the challenge for towns with a large Muslim community in enforcing a law that some view as Islamophobic.

Though such veils are very rare in France, many of the country's at least 5 million Muslims see the ban as a stigma. Islam is France's second-largest religion after Catholicism.

The ban also has been criticized by Iran's government and activists in Jordan.

President Nicolas Sarkozy says such veils imprison women and wanted a ban to uphold French values of equality and secularism.

A 27-year-old was stopped by police in the mall parking lot in the town of Mureaux, regional police said. She was handed a ticket that requires her to pay a euro150 ($216) fine or register for citizenship classes within a month.

Police said the exchange was brief and calm. The incident occurred Monday, the day France's ban on veils such as the niqab and burqa came into effect.

Another woman was stopped Tuesday for wearing a veil in the Paris suburb of Saint-Denis. The 35-year-old was brought to the police station and reminded of the law, police said.

While these were the first publicly reported incidents, it was unclear how many women have been stopped so far nationwide. The French government has estimated only about 2,000 women in France wear such veils, and a few vocal wearers have said they will defy the ban.

Moderate Muslim leaders in France and elsewhere agree that Islam does not require women to cover their faces, but many are uncomfortable with banning the veil.

The ban has also drawn criticism from other countries.

In Tehran, Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said Tuesday the ban is a "wrong method and it will not bear a good result."

"Any kind of bar on observance of the veil means a lack of freedom and rights of Muslim women," he said in his weekly news briefing.

Jordanian Muslim Brotherhood chief Hammam Saeed said the ban "is totally contradictory to the human rights principles claimed in France." He said in a statement that he considers the move "a new crusader behavior targeting Muslims everywhere."

The Brotherhood's political arm, the Islamic Action Front, is Jordan's largest opposition group. The Brotherhood is a fiery critic of the government's moderate policies, including close ties with the United States and diplomatic relations with Israel under a peace treaty signed in 1994. The brotherhood advocates the introduction of strict Islamic Sharia laws in Jordan.

Some other countries have restrictions on face veils or headscarves in schools or other public buildings, but France is the first country with a law designed to forbid the veil anywhere in public.

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Jamal Halaby in Amman and Nasser Karimi in Tehran contributed to this report.

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Wisdo
semantics shamantics
07:33 AM on 04/16/2011
Its pretty rich that these muslim countries criticise France on its clothing laws, while maintaining their own draconian laws which infringe freedom in far more serious ways.

France is seeing a rise in immigration, this is not controversial. Many of the immigrants are from countries which have - lets say an unusual take on the place of women in society. France is not one of these places - it has its own laws and its own cultural norms, and every right to try to preserve them. If women feel stigmatised by the burkha laws, theres a very good reason: its SUPPOSED to stigmatise - in order to stamp out the practice. Next up: dealing with honour killings.
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toocoolfoschool1234
Stab your television. Get a guitar.
08:15 PM on 04/14/2011
I guarantee this law will not have the effect that it's supporters want it to have. The law promotes intolerance and it will have a backlash.
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Wisdo
semantics shamantics
07:34 AM on 04/16/2011
The Burkha promotes intolerance towards women, this is the backlash. They were asked nicely to cut it out. Now its illegal. About time.
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Luuke
07:47 AM on 04/14/2011
How about making it mandatory for muslim men as well to have their face covered and strictly implemented ....
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Louise Aloft
07:59 AM on 04/14/2011
because that WOULD be religious persecution..
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Luuke
09:28 AM on 04/14/2011
Oh let me get this straight ...for women it isn't for men it is....So Louise assuming u a women I think women are their biggest own biggest enemies....I have no problems with that :-)
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Luuke
07:45 AM on 04/14/2011
The Burqa was meant not as a religious symbol but due to persistent sand storms in the deserts of Persia & Arabia hence some nu7 j0b went on to make it a strict dress code for women to such a point where they now think its part of their religion rather than part of the location they lived in.France needs to be applauded for this measure.....Its about time countries like UK follow suit just for the reason that its getting out of hand and muslim kids are conditioned to believe that the burqa is a way of life and then grow up defending the right to wear the burqa since they've been conditioned to do so since childhood (young girls especially)
07:43 AM on 04/14/2011
The Burqa ban is not about religion, and it is against intolerance:

http://e-blogules.blogspot.com/2009/06/france-secularism-and-burqa-political.html
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Luuke
07:31 AM on 04/14/2011
Can we start proceedings of this law in the UK too ???
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Louise Aloft
08:01 AM on 04/14/2011
they've tried and failed, they might try again... italy is the lucky one because it already had its anti-terrorism law in place before milions of muslim emigrated there!
nancynancy
Atheist.
08:24 PM on 04/13/2011
Since the burqa ban has just been implemented in France, I think it's important to remind people of why this outward symbol of female sexual suppression threatens the hard won freedom of women in the West and throughout the world.

Muslims and their apologists claim women choose to wear these garments and that burqa clad women have "lively personalities" and "interesting jobs." But they never say burqa clad women are free to express their sexuality in any way, whenever they want, and with whomever they want. Instead they accuse the West of having a "hypersexualized culture" that "degrades" women. They claim their culture "honors" women and "preserves their dignity. Nothing could be further from the truth.

A woman's right to determine her own sexual behavior without restrictions or interference from anyone else is the cornerstone of every other freedom women have. Without the fundamental right of sexual freedom, a woman has no honor and no dignity.
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Erewhon7
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07:44 PM on 04/13/2011
As Some Muslims find short skirts indecent in their countries. we find face-covering outfits highly indecent on our streets.

Before it's too late, It's time Salafist fanatics are taught a lesson that cultural tolerance is a two-way street. And not endless surrender to their, sometimes psychotic demands.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
04:11 PM on 04/13/2011
Overheard in the Souk:

Does this burquaa make me look fatwa?
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BcemXAHA
Yerushalaim shel zahav
04:14 PM on 04/13/2011
LOL! That's funny!
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BcemXAHA
Yerushalaim shel zahav
03:59 PM on 04/13/2011
People want to claim that this is about robbing people of their religion, about religious persecution, about picking on the Muslims, about removing certain freedoms. It is simply not true. The law is based on pure logic. If this was indeed a case of bigotry or racism, Paris wouldn't tolerate this:

http://tow­nhall.com/­tipsheet/g­reghengler­/2010/09/0­1/undercov­er_camera_­captures_m­uslims_pra­ying_in_pa­ris_street­s_to_show_­they_can_c­onquer_fre­nch_territ­ory
03:17 PM on 04/13/2011
Thank you France, thank you Sarkozy! The United States is going to ban the burqa too!
03:16 PM on 04/13/2011
Tell you what. Let them keep the burqas and niqabs. Everyone who disagrees with this ruling can wear ninja outfits in the Muslim neighborhoods, or whatever identity hiding outfit they want.
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02:51 PM on 04/13/2011
Would you hyperventilating people equating this to the persecution of Jews before WW2 stop your nonsense already? You are ridiculing the actual victims of horriffic violence, shame on YOU. Is there resentment towards fundamentalist Muslims in Europe today? Yes there is and for some pretty legitimate reasons, but there also exist safeguards in the form of laws and human rights which protect everyone. This law is perfectly rational and not giving people special treatment isn´t discrimination.
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02:58 PM on 04/13/2011
Many liberals have no qualms about trivializing violence. It's the same modus operandi that enables them to overlook the violence that is committed against the women who refuse to wear these garments. It truly is the ugly side of liberalism.
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ConfuciusSay-
Aglets: their purpose is sinister.
03:19 PM on 04/13/2011
I'm confused by your observations.
It's the Conservative Muslims that beat and kill their women, not the Liberal ones.
overcat
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06:17 PM on 04/13/2011
There is usually, among some, a fixation on Jews when it comes to the issue of face covering veils or Muslims in general as applied to Europe and France in particular. Catholic nuns seem to be, nonsensically, another favorite target of fixation.
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randyman99
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02:28 PM on 04/13/2011
Many of the women wear the burka as their own choice, not because they are forced to. Why should the governement tell them what they can't and can't wear? It's not like it's indecent. To the argument that it could be a criminal hiding his/her face, the same could do the same with a fake beard, glasses, and a hat.

This has nothing to do with rational arguments, and has everything to do with a xenophobia about a culture of a people the people in the French governement are not willing to embrace as their neighbor.
02:40 PM on 04/13/2011
Every society has restrictions on dress. Get over it.
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02:45 PM on 04/13/2011
Because identity-concealing garments do not respect the value that French society places on the rights and dignity of women. It's simple, really.
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ConfuciusSay-
Aglets: their purpose is sinister.
03:19 PM on 04/13/2011
+1
01:31 PM on 04/13/2011
If the argument is that these burquas are an effect of the oppressive nature of Islam, then I think the law should be to arrest and prosecute whoever forced these women to wear it- husband, imam, whoever. Not that I'm for that, but that would seem to be the appropriate action if the claim is that these women are being enslaved.

For me, these little debates always come back to one thing: the irrationality of religious beliefs- yes, all of them. Non-Muslims clearly see how silly these dresses are, but they are no more irrational than believing in angels, pearly gates, magical underwear, or anything else. This would not even be an issue if people could just be rational and do good deeds simply to do good deeds. I guess some people just need to believe in fantasy, but that's kind of sad to me : (
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ConfuciusSay-
Aglets: their purpose is sinister.
03:30 PM on 04/13/2011
Fanned.