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White House Opens Door To Non-'Clean' Debt Ceiling Bill

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First Posted: 04/13/11 08:08 PM ET Updated: 06/13/11 06:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- One of the President’s top advisers opened the door on Wednesday to adding deficit-reduction elements to a bill that would raise the country’s debt ceiling.

On a conference call with online reporters and bloggers, senior aide David Plouffe predicted that Congress would ultimately not “play chicken with the full faith a credit of the United States” and pass a bill to allow the Treasury to borrow money past the current limit. But while Plouffe and others insisted that the deficit should be reduced separately from that vehicle, they were not as firm as in previous days in demanding that the bill be “clean” of any such legislation.

“We need to do the responsible thing in the coming weeks, which is passing the debt limit. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive to make progress in reducing the deficit in a smart way,” said Plouffe. “We are at the point now where it is not just the leadership… but a lot of rank and file members of Congress in both parties, everyone has been clear, we are not going to play chicken with the full faith and credit of the United States and risk an economic catastrophe, particularly as we are recovering from the last economic catastrophe. So the debt ceiling is going to pass. Exactly when and what the process is will be fully revealed.”

The remarks from Plouffe reflect those made earlier in the day by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), who relayed that the president himself had opened the door to amending a debt-limit-raising bill during a closed-door meeting Wednesday morning.

What type of amendments or legislative language get added could turn a historical mundane political exercise into something a bit more dramatic. The debt ceiling, which currently sits at $14.294 trillion, is likely to be reached in May or early June. The Treasury Department has various accounting gimmicks at its disposal to ensure that the government can continue to make payments even if it lacks the capacity to borrow more money. But the financial markets, it seems, won’t have an appetite for a protracted debt-limit standoff.

On Wednesday morning it was reported that Boehner had huddled with Wall Street executives to chart out what would happen if the debt ceiling was reached (or came close to being reached). Democrats pounced on the news of the discussion. But hours later, they were touting their own work with the Street, with Sen. Chuck Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) top spokesperson sending out a Financial Times article that read: “The Obama administration is trying to enlist Wall Street executives in debate over increasing the debt ceiling.”

Certainly, there is a solid chunk of the Republican Party -- mainly members of the Tea Party -- that would like to see spending cuts or other deficit reduction measures attached to any vote to raise the debt ceiling. But in this debate, the White House has the luxury of not just Wall Street’s lobbying power, but also simple Google searches, to make its case. President Obama and his aides can point to the fact that Boehner has not backed off the assessment he offered in late January, when he said that failure to raise the debt ceiling would spell “financial disaster” for the country.

“Our view on this has always been the fact that the debt ceiling is going to get raised,” White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer said on the same conference call. “Every leader in Congress has discussed this. They say they are going to raise the ceiling."

"It is our belief that they do not want to play chicken with the economy on this because it will have calamitous effects," he added. "You do not need the debt ceiling to deal with deficits. Deficits can be done separately and that’s our hope.”

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WASHINGTON -- One of the President’s top advisers opened the door on Wednesday to adding deficit-reduction elements to a bill that would raise the country’s debt ceiling. On a conference call ...
WASHINGTON -- One of the President’s top advisers opened the door on Wednesday to adding deficit-reduction elements to a bill that would raise the country’s debt ceiling. On a conference call ...
 
 
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tigereon
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Waltb31
02:16 PM on 04/14/2011
The debt ceiling will be raised. If the repubs voted against raising the debt ceiling, the Koch brothers will stop paying them. That won't happen.
These repubs want money more than anything else.
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HappyBalance
People BEFORE Profits
10:45 AM on 04/14/2011
"But while Plouffe and others insisted that the deficit should be reduced separately from that vehicle, they were not as firm as in previous days in demanding that the bill be “clean” of any such legislation."

(Slaps forehead)

In other words the White House in a effort to maintain its political strategy offered to bend over for the opposition. Also calls where made to the GOP to ask how high the President should jump upon request.
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guveqzero
Inventor and Innovator
10:19 AM on 04/14/2011
The door is always open, that's the problem with him. He is manipulated like a hand puppet. Untouchable principles are always open for discussion when reality, Republicans, force the issue on him.
09:44 AM on 04/14/2011
So poof is adding things to what the president said yesterday?
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Mr MOTO
VMFA 112 MAG 41 4th MAW
09:36 AM on 04/14/2011
What was needed, they [BRICS] said in a statement, was "a broad-based international reserve currency system providing stability and certainty" -- thinly veiled criticism of what the BRICS see as Washington's neglect of its global monetary responsibilities.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110414/ts_nm/us_brics
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
09:28 AM on 04/14/2011
Debt Ceiling : An Arbitrary number set by politicians for political purposes. Only harmful if used politically to force Default of the Nation.
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Rolf618
They call me Mr. Fahrenheit.
08:50 AM on 04/14/2011
Here is where the rubber meets the road for Obama. He promised some wonderful things in his speech yesterday. But giving concessions to the Republicans in the debt ceiling debate was not one of them.
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ruthtruth
seeker of truth, willing to listen
08:18 AM on 04/14/2011
Why is it that when the debt ceiling needed to be raised during the last administration the right ok'ed it 7 times but now No Way. Why weren't they concerned about the deficit then ?? What a bunch of hypocrites.
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wwrd1472
Loud, Proud and Country by the grace of God
08:32 AM on 04/14/2011
Why is it that then Senator Obama said it was a lack of leadership is why the ceiling needed raised, and voted against it. But now is for it.
08:39 AM on 04/14/2011
Lack of leadership in the House. Where ALL budget spending originates...
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noaxe397
07:58 AM on 04/14/2011
The best strategy for the Democratic Party, and their ONLY hope of not slipping further into minority status in the House and Senate in 2012 is to pit Republicans against teabaggers.
 
Right now the Obama core belief of compromise allows the mainstream Republicans a safety valve to take the heat of the teabaggers off of them.
 
Many Obama apologists here say there is little the president can do given our divided government, all spending arising from the House, etc.
 
Well, if you accept that defensive position, then take advantage of your minority status:  let the GOP govern and don't enable them.   Let the GOP figure out what to do in May when the debt limit has to be raised.
 
Let the mainstream and the teabag wings of that party fight it out in public for all to see.
 
Then, when THEY realize they must get some type of Dem support, then the Dems negotiate from a position of STRENGTH.
 
THAT is how you compromise.  Proactively from strength, not pre-emptively from weakness.
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HappyBalance
People BEFORE Profits
10:47 AM on 04/14/2011
No, the best strategy for the Democratic Party is to dump Obama and nominate an actual progressive who won't flip the bird to the base and won't consistently give away everything in negotiations with the GOP.
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Waltb31
02:08 PM on 04/14/2011
Who? Hillary? Never happen.
hopeisalive
Old enough to know better, but young enough to try
07:49 AM on 04/14/2011
I guess that it is too much to hope for a "clean" bill that deals only with the problem at hand.
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vietveter
To the FAR LEFT
06:27 AM on 04/14/2011
I am in the over 60 crowd so it is fair to say that I haven’t attended any debate classes lately.

BUT

Way back when I was attending those classes I must have missed the day where I debated myself before I met the opposition and met myself ½ way to the other guy’s position. Someone needs to tell me if this is the way things are supposed to be done now. This sounds like an incredibly bad idea.

It is a joke, right?
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noaxe397
07:51 AM on 04/14/2011
It's called pre-emptive capitulation, sir.  And it is a core Obama belief.  His mission in life is to seek compromise first and worry about everything else later.
 
Remember the old saying when we were growing up:  If you want a $5 raise you ask for $10?
 
Well, this president;s idea of asking for a $5 raise would be to give his boss the $5 first so when it came back to him as a "raise" neither side would have lost anything.
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Austintatious
07:59 AM on 04/14/2011
the Obama doctine of pre-emptive capitualtion

that's very good, actually; concise and accurate

well done
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Austintatious
07:57 AM on 04/14/2011
If by "IT", you refer to the Obama administration, then you'd be right on the money.
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texas Big Dog
Pets rule the family Owners Follow with a bag
05:30 AM on 04/14/2011
Congress do not raise the Dept ceiling until you get the financial house in order. If Obamas mouth is moving don't trust him. Make the cuts now while it's still Americas option. 14 trillion is enough dept.
06:44 AM on 04/14/2011
Try reading the article before you comment. Because your advice is like telling a guy who is low on cash to quit his job to save on gas money. It only makes the problem worse.

I know you new fangled conservatives don't believe in actually being informed. I know that you like to burp out any slogan that's handy because its easier than thinking. I know you only have the courage to stand against things and do not have the courage to stand FOR anything. Every mediocre middle manager in America knows its way less risky to complain about a problem than fix it.

We used to have Reagan. Now we have Bachmann, Beck, and Trump. It's a freak show.

That's why this republican votes democrat at the moment.
08:37 AM on 04/14/2011
No his advice was like telling a guy who is low on cash to quit going to bars to save on gas money. Try reading his post before you comment with your bipart fingering pointing st u pitity
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CarryOn
no matter where you go, there you are
09:10 AM on 04/14/2011
Listening to what is said and comparing it to the facts is another problem LA2000. The practice of saying something loudly, emotionally and often does not make it true.Misrepresenting the facts, IMO, is misrepresenting the people who elected these people to office.

Look at the misrepresentation of facts regarding Planned Parenthood by someone on the house floor..

...have no faith or trust in this group they all speak from the same script and show little evidence of being able to speak for themselves when giving interviews.
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jacqmac
09:24 AM on 04/14/2011
Look-the consequences of NOT raising the debt ceiling for the 'full faith and credit of the UNITED STATES' are VERY different from YOU failing to pay your Visa or Mastercard bill or defaulting on a car loan. The currency of the WORLD tends to gain or lose value on the DOLLAR--and therefore, if the US fails to raise the debt ceiling it would not be able to make ANY principal payments at all--JUST interest. And soon--sooner than anyone would think--the credit rating of the US Government would tank. And there are VERY FEW, if any, multinational corporations that would want ot locate themselves in a bankrupt country. Budget CUTS are NOT going to pay off that deficit---that was made very clear by the President in his speech on Wednesday. Furthermore, a WALL was placed around Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Changes need to be made--but not including KILLING the programs outright or transferring responsibility for PAYING that debt to SENIORS, KIDS and PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. Oh--and check your history books. I think they MIGHT mention that G.W. Bush borrowed most of that money that we now owe and it is HIS name, along with the REPUBLICAN dominated Congress on those I.O.U.'s. Once again, the black guy is bailing out the white guy.
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ElBruce
04:58 AM on 04/14/2011
I'm sorry, but "ceilings" and "triggers" are a flat-out political lie, and everybody needs to know it. No congress can restrict a future congress. Read Paine's "Rights of Man" sometime, it's all about that. But that concept is also enshrined in constitutional law. Whatever some future congress wants to do, it will automatically and instantly trump any pretend restrictions that today's congress pretends to place on it. That's just how it works. The politicians know that. When they try to gain political capital by pretending it's not so, they're insulting your intelligence.
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mpilkanis
Attitude Adjustments Done Here
07:35 AM on 04/14/2011
It's true. The "debate" over whether or not to raise the limit on the amount of money the govt. is "allowed" to borrow is nothing more than half@ssed kabuki. The problem is this is real debt and you and I are getting gouged to pay for it while the well-connected are skating on their share.
04:54 AM on 04/14/2011
Maybe the CNN talking heads should stop mentioning that a 1% increase in taxes for those over 250k would 'only' add up to 115 billion dollars and start saying that a 10% increase would equal 1 trillion dollars... That's a pretty big dent right there.

35-39% of income over 250k does not sound so outrageous, considering that 50 years ago the tax rate was more than 70%!

It's shameful to ask grandmothers to pay for tax cuts that just have not created the jobs they were supposed to be creating. "Job Creators"? More like "wealth Hoarders" to me... This debate is shamefully cold blooded on the part of those advocating for reducing the deficit without increasing taxes. Shame, shame, shame.
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hatrickpenry
stepping on academia nuts
07:29 AM on 04/14/2011
They could raise it to 50% for all who make over $250k and there would still be a $700B deficit every year. Tax them 99% and it still does not 'fix' the cancerous spending.
08:18 AM on 04/14/2011
It is just as irrepsonbile for those that claim raising taxes on a select few will magically fix everything. The only solution (if you truely believe in shared sacrifice) is across the board SS, Medicaid & Medicare.
01:50 PM on 04/14/2011
TO BE CLEAR: NO ONE IS ADVOCATING A RAISING TAXES-ONLY SOLUTION.

Conservatives LOVE to say this, because then the follow up is "so the only solution is to cut cut cut!" This is a lie. The correct method is to do BOTH. Do you understand? You MUST DO BOTH. We need more revenues because we have been sorely lacking thanks to GWB's awesome uselss tax cuts (which is a nice way of saying tax SPENDING). We need to cut crap like super bloated defense, subsidies for large corporations in various industries, and have serious discussions about medicare age and pool size. Social security, other than potentially raising the retirement age (a practical thing to do) is in and of itself solvent for now. Simply saying "Across the board" is reckless and uninformed. TRULY TRULY shared sacrifice doesn't happen when all you do is talk about cutting social programs.

I'd be for taxes returning to clinton-era times. Combining restoring the proper tax rates, reducing loopholes and other tax reforms, cutting REAL waste like bloated defense and making practical changes to our social programs will truly put us back on a proper footing. No one is advocating for revenue increases only. The problem is deciding WHERE to cut. It's pretty clear to many, but apparently not enough.