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Out of War, Out of Luck: For Veterans, Skills Learned In Service Don't Translate To Employment

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First Posted: 04/13/2011 7:09 pm Updated: 06/13/2011 5:12 am

WASHINGTON -- When Eric Smith, 26, returned home after his second tour in Iraq serving as a Navy medic, he didn't expect to have a difficult time finding work.

While on tour, Smith had worked as a physician's assistant in the intensive care unit (ICU), caring for patients undergoing everything from cancer to recent brain surgery. At times, he served on the front lines treating infections. He never thought the expertise he had developed in the field wouldn’t amount to a job back home -- but when he returned he found that he couldn't get a job in medicine without the right certifications.

"They beat it into your head, that you're a veteran, [employers] want you, they know about your dependability and your training, blah blah blah," Smith said. "That proved not to be the case. I got out in August 2008, and in September 2008 there was a big economic downturn and that changed everything. It really became: what do you have off the bat, are you able to come in and just work and do you have all the necessary certifications?"

Smith joined the military at age 17, and has no college degree. He now lives with his parents in Baltimore. He's had three jobs since his return, all temporary positions. He lives off his VA check and picks up odd jobs as they come up around the neighborhood.

The economic crash has been unkind to veterans returning from the most recent wars. On Wednesday, Smith testified at a hearing in Washington examining unemployment among veterans led by Sen. Patty Murray (D -Wash.), who has been on the forefront of a fight to ensure proper support for returning vets.

More than one fifth of 18-24 year old veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan were unemployed in 2010, according to recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The unemployment rate for young male veterans was 21.9 percent last year -- more than two percent higher than their non-veteran counterparts. Those who focus on veteran rights and unemployment issues find that number disturbing.

"We're asking our young men and women to go serve in combat and make major sacrifices -- not just going into danger for their country, but the sacrifice of time from their lives. It's a moral imperative to actually support them when they get home," said Tim Embree, a legislative associate at Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America who served two combat tours in Iraq. "We spend so much money investing in the service members while they're wearing the uniform but then to just waste that? It's a waste of tax dollars," he added.

Embree said one of the biggest challenges for returning veterans can be figuring out how to translate skills they’ve gained in the service to civilian jobs. This challenge goes both ways -- employers often need help understanding how veteran skills can benefit their businesses.

In Embree's view, long term unemployment can be one of the most hazardous obstacles for both young veterans coming home from war, and for society at large.

"Unemployment is one of the most dangerous problems,” Embree said. “If a person can't find a job and they're already susceptible to mental or physical injuries, it's going to be a lot more expensive down the road.” On the other hand, he said, “if someone has a good job that they can develop in and grow in, they're not going to be homeless. They're not going to be utilizing more and more services because they're not going to need to."

While the statistics are most dire for young veterans returning home from Afghanistan and Iraq, the problem of unemployment after the military is widespread.

After serving in the U.S. Navy for the past seven years, Clayton Crotty, 29, couldn't find work. Although he has applied to over 50 jobs since his terminal leave in August 2010, he has yet to be called for an interview.

"I think I'm a good candidate," said Crotty, whose fiancée is due with their first child in August. Although Crotty was never deployed during his two tours in the Navy, he was certified as a welder. "I've applied for welding jobs in Navy shipyards around Philly and can't even get interest in that,” he said. “How much more qualified can you get?"

Crotty said he receives about $2,000 a month in unemployment checks, which helps ease the financial pressure of having a baby on the way. But he was hoping to be able to use the skills he developed in the Navy in a civilian job. He said he focuses most of his job seeking efforts on positions that list "veteran's preference," but he's starting to wonder whether that means anything.

"To say I'm frustrated is the worlds largest understatement," he said. "My home life has suffered, my finances are suffering, and 60 percent of my income now is gone. I'm at my wit's end."

Part of Crotty’s struggles to compete in the job market likely stem from the fact that he joined the military in lieu of pursuing a college degree. He said he is now planning to go back to school near his hometown of Wenonah, NJ, since that seems to be his only option, but he is worried about having to start at the bottom so late in life.

"It's not ideal," he said. "By the time I get my degree, I'll be 32 or 33, and nobody wants to start the job they're gonna have for the rest of their lives at that age. I'd prefer to start a job now, but that didn't work out."

Those who advocate on behalf of veterans have been pushing for more federal programs to help integrate returning vets into civilian life.

"We need to ensure the skills they've learned in the field transfer into the certifications they need to perform those same duties at home,” Sen. Murray, who is the chairman of the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee, wrote in an email. “We need to improve outreach and oversight of current administration efforts to address this problem, and we have to eliminate the stigma many veterans feel is attached to their service because of the invisible wounds of war. We cannot continue down a path that has our veterans going from fighting to keep us safe to fighting just to get an interview."

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JacksonD 11:38 PM on 04/13/2011
I have been very consistent in the desire to have all of our troops come home, stop wars and rebuild our country as it so obviously needs it.  However, has anyone given any thought to what would happen if that were to come to pass?  We have over 15 million Americans who are currently unemployed, many of those are degreed and have much experience.  What would happen if we had an influx of all  Read More...
02:21 AM on 05/23/2011
military service doesnt count once you are out, even if you know how to translate your skills.
10:32 PM on 05/11/2011
I know I commented on this article before, but rereading it makes me feel more than ever that veterans are getting the short end of the stick. I've never been in favor of affirmative action, but add together the training, discipline, and commitment learned in the armed services, along with the service to our country, vets SHOULD be given an opportunity to prove themselves in the workforce. Thanks to the Call Of Duty Endowment (http://www.callofdutyendowment.org) for helping us.
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It's better than a reality show.
07:24 PM on 04/25/2011
You mean the whole marketing pitch was a lie? Who would have guessed?
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Malcolm Hensley
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06:14 PM on 04/25/2011
I think this is an unanticipated consequence of the all volunteer military.

When we had the draft people from all social economic backgrounds were subjected to the possibility of being drafted. Knowing only their fathers influence or dumb luck kept them out of the service. This meant more future employers were predisposed to give a veteran a chance.

I was lucky, Litton Industries, now owned by Northup Grumman, scooped me up because of my U.S. Air Force electronics training. They valued it!
02:02 PM on 04/18/2011
I never cease to be amazed at those who say they are concerned about returning veterans but fail to act. I retired from the military after twenty-two years and thought I had an impressive resume. I applied for over one-hundred government positions, and received zero interest. Even though I had a ten-point preference it did me no good, most of the government jobs that were at the same level as my military job required a masters degree. Civilian employers were unwilling to recognize my management experience and wanted me to start at entry-level positions, or said I was over-qualified for the positions I applied for. I am luckier than most, I have a small retirement and health benefits. The young men and women who serve their country and then move into the civilian job market offer employers a disciplined and responsible employee. Most are more mature and better prepared than college graduates, but they are being overlooked. This is a problem that needs to be resolved, enough talk.
11:48 AM on 04/18/2011
The gov't is not doing enough. I read about Activisions call of duty endowment that addresses exactly this article (http://www.callofdutyendowment.org/about-us/about-code/). What we need is more of these programs because having vets with 2x's the unemployment rate is a crime.
12:48 PM on 04/17/2011
I can relate to this. I'm a retired veteran and my job skills were only usable by a few special government agencies who were swamped by others in my skill set applying for the so few jobs available. No state or business needed my skill. I initially had to collect unemployment, then went to college. Even my long standing skill with computers did no good until after I took some college courses (on what I had already knew and had been teaching to others in the military).


Being an honorably retired veteran meant little to squate to employers if you did not have the certificates to back up your knowledge and skills.
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08:28 AM on 04/15/2011
Three initial reactions as both a 20 year veteran (including this conflict) and as the Director of a college veterans' program servicing a third straight semester enrollment of over 1,000 student veterans:

1. Most of these young men and women are getting training – and working with equipment – that is BETTER than the private sector and schools can offer. From what I’ve seen there is almost a “fear factor/embarrassment factor” among employers and educators that these men and women are “too smart.”
2. What’s happened on the education side is that since educators don’t know that much about military training and requirements they find it easier to reject it (i.e., not accept military training credits for education or college credits).
3. The good news here is that schools in my state, Ohio – through the Ohio Board of Regents (OBOR) – are taking aggressive action to turn this around with a streamlined system of acceptance of military training for college credit.
01:35 AM on 04/15/2011
The real reason the veterans service skills don't translate to civilian jobs is because the skills they learned aren't job related. Unless you want need to kill someone or build or fix a tank or airplane what else do they do? There are millions of people with clerical skills and all this advertisement about "leadership" is a bunch of bull. They learn to take orders and follow directions. The real problem comes down to class--who goes into the military? Yeah a few rich kids but most wouldn't ever think of it. Bet you couldn't find more than 10 men (or women) on Wall St who served in the military. They don't have to and expect the poor class to defend there right to make money; and when the veteran returns, who needs them? You hear the rich and Tea Party folks talk about "their country" --the one they don't want to defend, but it seems like only the patriotic always come from the poor class. Since the military holds itself out as a place to get a job, learn some skills, and pay for college; who thinks they need that but the poor. Besides lots of veterans who've seen war duty come back with emotional/mental problems that the govt doesn't want to pay for. My advice to anyone who can't afford to go to college on your own is YES YOU CAN and NEVER EVER join the service. Let the rich boys defend their country.
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11:38 AM on 04/15/2011
"Let the rich boys defend their country."

If that EVER came to pass (and my gut feelings tell me it will NEVER), I can GUARANTEE you this much: the instant these rich boys are shot at, THEY WILL DEFECATE (i.e. s**t) IN THEIR PANTS AND DIG A FOXHOLE DEEP ENOUGH TO REACH CHINA!

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'Nuff said.
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07:02 AM on 04/21/2011
One of the ballsiest soldiers to put on a US military uniform was Teddy Roosevelt. Guess what - his family was loaded. Courage doesn't depend on the size of your bank account.
11:36 PM on 04/14/2011
Think of the end of Shawshank Redemption when Brooks kills himself after being released from Prison.
11:36 PM on 04/14/2011
Part of the problem beyond the lack of concrete civilian-level training is the institutional mindset that is instilled in veterans and a subset of people who go into the military hoping it will solve their problems for them.

We used to make fun of the lifers who were too scared to get out because they knew they couldn't make it in the civilian world. I'm sure plenty of those people mocking the lifers are trying to get back into the military now.

Honestly, this is something that veterans need to lead the way on, not their parents or their spouses or others.
08:27 PM on 04/14/2011
My company, Appelbaum's Resume Professionals, Inc., specializes in converting and transitioning military skills into civilian language. Whether you have been involved in logistics, project management, or leadership, there is a way to put that information on your resume. Once that happens, you will know how and where to market yourself. I invite you to review our website: http://www.appelbaumresumes.com
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08:26 PM on 04/14/2011
When I got back from Vietnam, I searched several citys' want ads for "Machine gunner on a Jeep"
I figured, you know, its pretty hard to get experience in that particular line of work, so........
just like these guys now....no takers.
But then I 've had people look at my resume back then and say, "Oh, you're one of those!", and dismiss me like a papason shit-burner. I guess you had to be there to get that.
Post-military adjustment and career can be VERY difficult for combat veterans.
04:54 PM on 04/14/2011
I don't know if this is relevant for the united states because school prices have gone thru the roof, but in Israel a large percentage of people after the military immediately take a trip for 1 year and usually go to Asia or South America.. After that they take a refresher course for the Israeli version of the SATs. Then they go to college for 4 years. So, when they get out they are 27 years old. They have 3 years of military training, 3 years of reserve duty (1 month a year) and a B.S. Rumour has it that 23 year old freshman are more serious than 18 year old freshman, but that's just a rumour....