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Climate Change Case Headed To Supreme Court

MARK SHERMAN   04/17/11 03:09 PM ET   AP

Climate Change Supreme Court

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration and environmental interests generally agree that global warming is a threat that must be dealt with.

But they're on opposite sides of a Supreme Court case over the ability of states and groups such as the Audubon Society that want to sue large electric utilities and force power plants in 20 states to cut their emissions.

The administration is siding with American Electric Power Co. and three other companies in urging the high court to throw out the lawsuit on grounds the Environmental Protection Agency, not a federal court, is the proper authority to make rules about climate change. The justices will hear arguments in the case Tuesday.

The court is taking up a climate change case for the second time in four years. In 2007, the court declared that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are air pollutants under the Clean Air Act. By a 5-4 vote, the justices said the EPA has the authority to regulate those emissions from new cars and trucks under that landmark law. The same reasoning applies to power plants.

The administration says one reason to end the current suit is that the EPA is considering rules that would reduce carbon dioxide emissions from power plants. But the administration also acknowledges that it is not certain that limits will be imposed.

At the same time, Republicans in Congress are leading an effort to strip the EPA of its power to regulate greenhouse gases.

The uncertainty about legislation and regulation is the best reason for allowing the case to proceed, said David Doniger, a lawyer for the Natural Resources Defense Council, which represents Audubon and other private groups dedicated to land conservation.

"This case was always the ultimate backstop," Doniger said, even as he noted that the council would prefer legislation or EPA regulation to court decisions. The suit would end if the EPA does set emission standards for greenhouse gases, he said.

The legal claims advanced by six states, New York City and the land trusts would be pressed only "if all else failed," he said.

When the suit was filed in 2004, it looked like the only way to force action on global warming. The Bush administration and the Republicans in charge of Congress doubted the EPA's authority to regulate greenhouse gases.

Federal courts long have been active in disputes over pollution. But those cases typically have involved a power plant or sewage treatment plant that was causing some identifiable harm to people, and property downwind or downstream of the polluting plant.

Global warming, by its very name, suggests a more complex problem. The power companies argue that any solution must be comprehensive. No court-ordered change alone would have any effect on climate change, the companies say.

"This is an issue that is of worldwide nature and causation. It's the result of hundreds of years of emissions all over the world," said Ed Comer, vice president and general counsel of the Edison Electric Institute, an industry trade group.

The other defendants in the suit are Cinergy Co., now part of Duke Energy Corp. of North Carolina; Southern Co. Inc. of Georgia; Xcel Energy Inc. of Minnesota; and the federal Tennessee Valley Authority. The TVA is represented by the government and its views do not precisely align with those of other companies.

Eight states initially banded together to sue. They were California, Connecticut, Iowa, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Wisconsin. But in a sign of the enduring role of partisan politics in this issue, New Jersey and Wisconsin withdrew this year after Republican replaced Democrats in their governor's offices.

Another complication is that the administration and the companies may be on the same side at the Supreme Court, but the power industry is strongly opposing climate change regulation. The Southern Co. is a vocal supporter of GOP legislation to block the EPA from acting.

"It's two-faced for them (the companies) to come into court and say everything is well in hand because EPA is going to act," said Doniger, the NRDC lawyer.

Comer said the key point is that judges should not make environmental policy. "This has important implications for jobs. If you raise energy costs in the U.S., does that lead industry jobs to go elsewhere and if it does, do you get the same emissions, just from another country?" Comer said. "These judgments are properly made by elected officials."

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who was on the federal appeals court panel that heard the case, is not taking part in the Supreme Court's consideration of the issue.

The case is American Electric Power Co. v. Connecticut, 10-174.

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Online:

American Electric Power Co. v. Connecticut: http://tinyurl.com/2eexkk5

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realpolitic 04:02 PM on 04/17/2011
Ed Comer, vice president and general counsel of the Edison Electric Institute, an industry trade group, said  the key point is that judges should not make environmental policy. "This has important implications for jobs. If you raise energy costs in the U.S., does that lead industry jobs to go elsewhere and if it does, do you get the same emissions, just from another country?"

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absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
05:06 PM on 05/03/2011
Increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations lower oceanic pH and carbonate ion concentrations, thereby decreasing the saturation state with respect to calcium carbonate (Feely et al., 2004). The main driver of these changes is the direct geochemical effect due to the addition of anthropogenic CO2 to the surface ocean (see Box 7.3). Surface ocean pH today is already 0.1 unit lower than pre-industrial values (Section 5.4.2.3).
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch10s10-4-2.html
absolument
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02:56 PM on 04/28/2011
To interject reason,

Skepticism does not mean refusing to ever be convinced, nor ever rejecting legitimate evidence. Skepticism means being persuaded only by evidence, but it also REQUIRES being persuaded by the best evidence. I have found your "skepticism" extremely one-sided.

In 1998, Mann, Bradley and Hughes published a 1,000 year record contextualizing the past century or so of warming (MBH98). The visual representation of their finding is commonly known as the "hockey stick" graph.

Will you please cite the sources on which you base the following claim?

“Mann's claim resulted in a very different characteri­zation of climate over the past 1,000 years. His new graphical representa­tion, popularly referred to as the "hockey stick graph", did away with both the MWP and the subsequent little ice age. Basically, the entire temperatur­e increase in their graph takes place in more recent times."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/To_interject_reason/climate-change-case-heade_n_850176_85327557.html
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
01:59 PM on 05/05/2011
Reply is working here.
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To interject reason
Time wounds all heels....
10:28 AM on 05/06/2011
I find your criticism of me to be a fair one.....Remember I said a while back that I am listening to everything you say and am considering it all. I have lQQked at the things you have wanted me to lQQk at and been challenging at times to see how you respond to criticisms that are not mine in origination. You have made some very good points at times (even though I hesitate to share that with you lol) and other times I am not as convinced on a couple of issues......Part of my skepticism is investigation in as many areas as possible for me to lQQk and because this is such a profound matter with significant consequences no matter where we go from here, I take it very seriously and like to see how others would defend criticisms and opposing points of view on the topic (and if I don't press the issue then I am giving you a test that might be easy to pass). I will have to go back and find where the above mentioned quote was taken form since I don't remember off the top of my head....BTW I still didn't blame anyone though in that one comment no matter how much you argue with me (ha ha) :) jk with ya, I have 4 surgical cases today so it may be a while before I can get back to you on your above request.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
04:37 AM on 04/28/2011
The American Physical Society:

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring... We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now."

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Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. Greenhouse gases include carbon dioxide as well as methane, nitrous oxide and other gases. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultur al processes.

The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.

Because the complexity of the climate makes accurate prediction difficult, the APS urges an enhanced effort to understand the effects of human activity on the Earth’s climate, and to provide the technologi cal options for meeting the climate challenge in the near and longer terms. The APS also urges governments, universities, national laboratories and its membership to support policies and actions that will reduce the emission of greenhouse gases.

http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
04:28 AM on 04/28/2011
rccthatsme quotes science denier and non-physicist Claes Johnson at his site (claesjohnson.blogspot.com):

Claes Johnson: "I argue that backradiation is unphysical"

That's nice. He might as well argue that the Sun is "unphysical", which is equally absurd.

The existence and reality of "backradiation" - aka downward longwave radiation (DLR) - is basic theoretical physics; it has also been repeatedly empirically observed and measured. Which is to say, it is scientific fact. Even prominent global warming "skeptic" Dr. Roy Spencer can't swallow the science denier b$ that it doesn't exist.

Moreover without DLR the Greenhouse Effect would not exist, which too is as "settled" as science ever gets.

Science denier rhetoric is stupefying.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
04:59 AM on 04/28/2011
Denialism: what is it and how should scientists respond? ...

Denialism is a process that employs some or all of five characteristic elements in a concerted way...

The second is the use of fake experts. These are individuals who purport to be experts in a particular area but whose views are entirely inconsistent with established knowledge.

http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/content/19/1/2.full
12:01 AM on 04/28/2011
The IPCC back radiatio (Greenhouse) , their word "trick."

http://claesjohnson.blogspot.com/2011/04/ipcc-trick-climate-instability-from_26.html


Deathblow to AGW

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1767

Greenhouse confusion.

http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=1562&linkbox=true&position=5

Please note - You can go to these sites and interact with scientist and discuss in detail your AGW theory.

i) CO2 and other trace gases are too small a proportion of the atmosphere to make a significant difference to overall atmospheric density even if their volumes were to be multiplied many times over. This problem for warmists is greatly enhanced if one considers the much more dense oceans as part of the planetary atmosphere for heat storage purposes.
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
02:01 AM on 04/28/2011
Anthropogenic Climate Change Theory has survived more "deathblows" than Dracula.
11:23 AM on 04/28/2011
well both ARE fictional.
absolument
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06:28 PM on 04/29/2011
Deathblows to both are fictional.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
02:36 AM on 04/28/2011
The IPPC 'trick' canard has been beaten to death. There was no foul. Dishonest for you to keep bringing it up.

We don't need to go to blog sites to find scientists. Real climate scientists have laid out the story for us. Your denier blog sites seem to be in error.

Your comments about CO2 are a complete fabrication. CO2 is a potent greenhouse gas. H2O vapor is the main engine because there is so much of it low in the atmosphere where it can cycle back and forth between the seas and the clouds.
absolument
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02:42 AM on 04/28/2011
That blogspot that rcc posted is a real hoot! The caption should be:

Prolific mathematician decides he knows everything about everything.

(He's a legitimate mathematician, with a PDEs book cited by 1540, but in the little linked essay about climate, all he cites is himself! "I'm right, because I say so. See? Look right there, I said so.")
11:28 AM on 04/28/2011
aahhhh, reading comprehension is not your strength, neither is a questioning mind on the topic. You bring no links, no insight, just the same uneducated opinion with each successive post. You siomply defend with fervor a position questioned by many and a theory that is falling out of favor world-wide. I have shown a willingness to read, and modify statements, based on others comments. I have outlined my personal use of fossil fuels and green life... you just show up, and make the same comments over and over and over again. Chat % of the atmosphere is CO2? Did you actually look at the atmospheric model? Do you dispute the impact of water vs the impact of CO2? Do you dispute the .....
11:50 PM on 04/27/2011
Abstract conclusion:

The cooling trend is quite in discrepancy with the “greenhouse-gas-induced-global-warming” theory, but is quite in accord with increasing deep convection. The adjustment of these temperature measurements to bring them more in line with the climate models leads to unphysical conditions and processes. The response of the upper atmosphere temperature on volcanic eruptions also fits in the deep convection theory, but not in the mainstream theory.

Not CO2 increase, but two other parameters are the cause of climate change.

Easily found on the net.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
04:46 AM on 04/28/2011
rccthatsme: "Easily found on the net."

Not, however, in the scientific literature.

Gee, I wonder why.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
04:56 AM on 04/28/2011
Oxford Journals > European Journal of Public Health
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Denialism: what is it and how should scientists respond?

The world was created in 4004 BCE. Smoking does not cause cancer. And if climate change is happening, it is nothing to do with man-made CO2 emissions. Few, if any, of the readers of this journal will believe any of these statements. Yet each can be found easily in the mass media...

All of these examples have one feature in common. There is an overwhelming consensus on the evidence among scientists yet there are also vocal commentators who reject this consensus... Their goal is to convince that there are sufficient grounds to reject the case for taking action...

Denialism is a process that employs some or all of five characteristic elements in a concerted way...

The second is the use of fake experts. These are individuals who purport to be experts in a particular area but whose views are entirely inconsistent with established knowledge. They have been used extensively by the tobacco industry since 1974... In 1998, the American Petroleum Institute developed a Global Climate Science Communications Plan, involving the recruitment of ‘scientists who share the industry's views of climate science [who can] help convince journalists, politicians and the public that the risk of global warming is too uncertain to justify controls on greenhouse gases’."

http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/content/19/1/2.full
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:44 PM on 04/28/2011
Please explain what this means to you, in your own words.
11:49 PM on 04/27/2011
Dr.NoorvanAndel (former head research Akzo Nobel)

Abstract: It is shown that tropical Pacific sea surface temperature anomalies are closely congruent to global temperature anomalies, and that over more than a century. When we understand the cooling mechanism over the tropical Pacific, and especially its CO2 dependency, we can draw conclusions for the global CO2 climate sensitivity.

It is shown that the cooling of the tropics, or trade wind belt, is by deep convection, i.e. by a few thousand concentrated tropical thunderstorms that carry all the sensible and latent heat swept up by the trade winds all the way on to the tropopause. The physics of deep convection have been formulated since 1958 and are based on sound thermodynamics and measurements on location.

The trends of the temperature in the high atmosphere in the last half century are very negative, starting on this height where the convection reaches. That means that more CO2 has a cooling effect rather than a warming effect. Cloud tops radiate much more intense than the thin air on this height. This is the cause behind the cooling, as much as the CO2 increase.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
02:32 AM on 04/28/2011
Borrowed passage again. No credit given. You are attempting to prove that the atmosphere is cooling? Not very convincing.

NASA: The last decade is the hottest decade in history.

The rest of us can exercise a little common sense and observe around us. It is hotter than it used to be in the old days.
11:39 AM on 04/28/2011
Wow. 1) Credit is given. Name, quotes, abstract. Clearly you have no advanced education. 2) I am not trying to prove anthing. I am passing along scientifici studies that indicate the Earth is following a natural haetinf/cooling cycle and that CO2 emissions have no signifiicant impact. 3) Just becuse you say NASA said it, does not make it true. I won't bother with tearing down NASA, it has done that on its own. 3) Your science is to look around and say it is hotter. LOL! Epic fail.

Common sense is not all that common.
absolument
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01:40 PM on 04/28/2011
He gave the author's name, so rcc thinks he's provided a proper attribution. Clearly, he's not college material.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:53 PM on 04/28/2011
"The trends of the temperatur­e in the high atmosphere in the last half century are very negative, starting on this height where the convection reaches".

is not necssarily congruent with

"That means that more CO2 has a cooling effect rather than a warming effect".

Moreover, the warming properties of CO2 are well-proven. If (and that is a big if) this paper is correct, it does not automatically follow that CO2 cools, for the following reason: the area of study does not correspond to the majority of the earth's surface, nor does it take into account surface temperatures. It rather focuses on "the high atmosphere".

Even without being any kind of scientist, one can see that the author is inferring a universal from a particular, which is entirely incorrect. The question SHOULD be whether or not CO2 has different physcial properties at different temperatures and concentrations in the atmosphere (not implying that it does, just that this would be a more robust question), or even more pertinently, whether or not the observed phenomenon can be explained by another means, given that the experiemental proof of the warming properties of CO2 has been reproduced over and over again, and this for a century.

Learn to read an abstract for logical consistency and you will save yourself some embarrasment.
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
04:59 PM on 04/28/2011
Stratospheric cooling is in fact predicted. Oh, and observed! How about that?
11:45 PM on 04/27/2011
In the real world however, the upper troposphere will dry out as a result of stronger deep convection, because cloud top temperature goes down and condensation efficiency increases with deep convection intensity. In the region that the air spreads from the ITCZ and subsides, radiation into space is therefore enhanced. The lowest temperatures in the troposphere are to be found in the deep convection cumulonimbus tops, sometimes -80 ºC. All water is then in solid form, which coalesces easier and snows [rains] out more efficiently. This drying out has been documented well in the ERA and in the NCEP reanalysis historical time series. But it is hotly contested by IPCC- quoted authors, again because it is incompatible with climate models. "
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
02:30 AM on 04/28/2011
Looks like this paragraph was 'lifted' from the web. No credit given. For shame.
11:31 AM on 04/28/2011
aahhhhhh, again reading comprehension is not your strength. The site allows only 250 words. I gave credit in the first post and said it would continue. I also put the text in "quotes"


That said, I understand why you woudl go after this........ the facts kill your position. It matters not. The World is onto the falts of the AGW theory. The largest emitter of CO2, China, will not comply.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
03:21 PM on 04/28/2011
More disinformation. China will not comply with what, exactly? Sounds like yet another of your denier strawmen. China owns up to it's problem and is already ahead of us in committing to mitigate the problem.
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
02:45 AM on 04/28/2011
Plagiarist!
11:33 AM on 04/28/2011
The AGW science has more holes thant swiss cheese. The theory is going down and no matter how many ties you post on the topic, the trend will not stop. As for the post, I I gave credit in the first post and said it would continue. I also put the text in "quotes"
11:43 PM on 04/27/2011
Greenhouse gases (excerpts follow)


Dr. Noor van Andel has updated his paper CO2 and Climate Change and explains in greater detail how climate scientists have adjusted radiosonde (weather balloon) data to try to bring it into agreement with their computer models and concept of greenhouse gas induced global warming. This is the opposite of the normal scientific procedure of adjusting the models to fit the data. The unadjusted data does not show the elusive "hot spot" predicted by climate models and conventional 'greenhouse' theory. Dr. van Andel's latest version also expands on the descriptions of Miskolczi's 'saturated greenhouse' theory and the cosmic ray theory of Svensmark et al.


The main error in the climate models is that they suppose heating and moistening, and thus higher θe [temperature], of the upper troposphere by CO2, in contradiction with radiosonde and satellite measurements. This assumed heating & moistening leads the model to assume an increase of θe [temperature] at this height, which makes deep convection decrease as a result of increasing SST, very unphysical as we have seen here above.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
02:28 AM on 04/28/2011
This comment was plagiarized off of a web site, thief. You present it as if it were your thinking.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:57 PM on 04/28/2011
But the lower troposphere is heating. What of that phenomenon (and I'm not at all sure about this reference, because it is un-attributed)?
absolument
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07:23 PM on 04/28/2011
For the deniars, "the lower troposphere" is where we live.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
08:16 PM on 04/27/2011
rccthatsme: "...scam scam scam..."

Yawn.

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U.S. National Academy of Sciences, 2010:

There is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities­. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon­, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanation­s…

From a philosophical perspective, science never proves anything... In practical terms, however, scientific uncertainties are not all the same. Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782
07:18 PM on 04/27/2011
When the will discussion focus on the economit ruin for those countires looking at cap and trade?! Start in New Zealand.

http://www.act.org.nz/climate-change-policy

The people will force the change, one way or the other. As Godfrey Bloom states, after the scam scam scam comment... the people will storm the buildings and hang them from the rafters.. as they have every right to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB2Ft3t7ceg&feature=related

Carlin on the mindset.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYj5baVfB0Y
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
08:09 PM on 04/27/2011
Your way is fiscally irresponsible.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/18/climate-change-costs-report_n_850810.html
08:47 PM on 04/27/2011
you would need to move away from Huff post to prove your point. Even you have to see their bias.
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To interject reason
Time wounds all heels....
04:06 PM on 04/27/2011
ABSOLUMENT.............I would like to know what you understand the assumptions are of your position scientifically as ALL theories make certain assumptions. Not the purposed hypotheses but the assumptions about things as one approaches the data.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
04:20 PM on 04/27/2011
That is one brain bender of a statement. Clear as a muddied lake.
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To interject reason
Time wounds all heels....
04:44 PM on 04/27/2011
Perhaps if you evaluate not knowing what our conversations have been about but when you make judgments on partial or incomplete information that's the understanding you get....
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
05:38 PM on 04/27/2011
First is the Law of Conservation of Energy. Being a Law of Physics, it's only an assumption at all in the sense that we consistently use it in our equations. It's not an "assumption" in the colloquial sense at all.
:-)

Another is that the thermal energy on Earth comes mainly from the Sun, which is justifiable since even warm-blooded animals' energy is indirectly from sunlight.

Then there's the concept of radiative energy balance, which is based directly on the previous two, and basically says that the total amount of global warming equals energy in ("incoming solar radiation" = "insolation" not to be confused with insUlation!) minus energy out ("outgoing longwave radiation" = "OLR"), when energy in is more than energy out. In the opposite case, when energy in is more than energy out, we'd have cooling and if they're equal, then neither.

Satellites don't give us as complete measurements of this as we'd like, frankly, but the data really don't suggest a problem with the Theory, they suggest problems with the equipment.

We assume thermometers work and can be calibrated.

And we assume that the heat-trapping by CO2, CH4, N2O, water vapor and other greenhouse gases which we observe in the lab tells us about the intrinsic, aka fundamental properties of those gases.

I'm unsure what distinction you're making:

"Not the purposed hypotheses but the assumption­s about things as one approaches the data."

But there's my answer to that question as I understand it.
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To interject reason
Time wounds all heels....
06:26 PM on 04/27/2011
agree with the law on conservation of energy no argument there at all it is well established.

In your second assumption energy in equals energy out essentially (radiative balance) assumes that there is a steady state of climate sensitivity that has been surprisingly difficult to determine for both camps....Also I would say that it also assumes there is a global constant. Yet when we talk global temperatures it really is an average of a moving target. Example lQQk to the difference between southern and northern hemisphere data. Altitudes, weather, PDO, solar activity all have an effect and very complex long term cycles are yet to be understood in detail. Finally, Global warming theory starts with the assumption that the Earth naturally maintains a CONSTANT average temperature, which is the result of a balance between (1) the amount of sunlight the Earth absorbs, and (2) the amount of emitted infrared (“IR”) radiation that the Earth continuously emits to outer space. In other words the data does not demonstrate global uniformity and can be quite regional in influence. So that is an assumption made before looking at what the data demonstrates as I understand it. These assumptions could be incomplete or in error based upon my understanding of the questions of AGW. Also, I do take great pride in my precision and accuracy as a surgeon/physician. I take other people's health very very seriously and always strive to improve myself.
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To interject reason
Time wounds all heels....
06:29 PM on 04/27/2011
Thanks again for your patience with me and your continued engagement of the topic...
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08:09 PM on 04/21/2011
When are the democrates going to scream about opening our own reserves to lower fuel prices? COULD IT BE THAT THE CURRENT PRESIDENT IS A DEMOCRATE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD? Think about it. Who was that cried when gas prices hit 3.00 a gallon during the Bush years? Democrates! Where the hell are they now that prices are approaching 4.00 ,and in some places, have already surpased that price?
absolument
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05:37 PM on 04/23/2011
The purpose of the strategic petroleum reserves is not to manipulate prices, it's to have a reserve in case of EMERGENCY. Higher prices are an inconvenience, for some even a hardship, but not an emergency.
11:25 PM on 04/27/2011
What is the purpose of the oil under the Earth owned by the USA?
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
05:52 PM on 04/23/2011
When you learn to spell easy words, and stop screaming, I'll pay attention.

No, wait. You're going to have to make sense too.
absolument
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10:38 PM on 04/24/2011
Maybe you're just too demanding.
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
11:16 PM on 04/19/2011
To interject reason,
Please explain your understanding of why carbon dioxide, nitrous oxide and methane are called "greenhouse gases" without any political commentary, just the science please.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
10:55 AM on 04/21/2011
Is the answer "communism"?
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wonderYrednow
¿Y read backwards?
01:56 PM on 04/21/2011
No, it's socialism!
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joszacem
Mongo only pawn... in game of life
02:13 PM on 04/21/2011
leftist conspiracy?
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Mongo only pawn... in game of life
02:17 PM on 04/21/2011
Greenhouse gases are any of the gases in the atmosphere that trap solar radiation in the form of heat, much as the transparent windows in a greehouse allow light in that is then used to heat the greenhouse. The windows allow the visible radiation in and trap the infared radiation (heat).

The gases act like the windows of a greenhouse hence "greenhouse gas".
absolument
Debate the policy. But first, LEARN the science.
03:08 PM on 04/21/2011
Good answer. But I'm waiting for a reply from a particular user, who calls himself "To interject reason."
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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
09:05 PM on 04/19/2011
Al Gore. Where have you been lately?
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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
09:10 PM on 04/19/2011
Oh, Power Shift: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNhoAvkTaLA

(hope the link works for you)
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
wonderYrednow
¿Y read backwards?
01:57 PM on 04/21/2011
UYB?