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Barack Obama Debt Reduction

JULIE PACE   04/20/11 11:24 PM ET   AP

PALO ALTO, Calif. — President Barack Obama declared Wednesday that congressional Republicans are pushing a radical plan to trim Medicare and Medicaid, ramping up the rhetoric before a friendly Facebook crowd at the headquarters of the popular social networking site.

Still, as Obama and Congress approach crucial decisions on spending and the national debt the president said he thinks a bipartisan accord is possible.

"I think it's fair to say that their vision is radical," Obama told a town hall gathering that included questions posed by Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg and sent in by site users.

"I don't think it's particularly courageous," he said of the GOP plan to convert Medicare to a voucher program and make big cuts to the federal-state Medicaid program for the poor.

"Nothing is easier than solving a problem on the backs of people who are poor, or people who are powerless, or don't have lobbyists, or don't have clout," Obama said.

Republicans in Congress argue strenuously that Obama's deficit prescription would accomplish far too little and relies on economically damaging tax increases.

The president said he would raise $1 trillion by returning income tax rates for high earners to the levels from Bill Clinton's administration, when the economy prospered. That would force wealthy people like himself and Zuckerberg to pay "a little more in taxes," he said.

"I'm cool with that," Zuckerberg replied, as his employees laughed and applauded.

Other Democrats have called the GOP plan "radical," but the president generally uses less pungent language. Despite the sharp tone on Wednesday, he said he believes his administration and Congress can agree on long-range plans to cut deficits by about $4 trillion over 10 years.

Republican lawmakers have used similar rhetoric in the past to describe Obama's own spending proposals. In March, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said Obama's refusal to accept GOP spending cuts would lead to a "radical" decrease in benefits for seniors.

Obama made his comments in a cozy environment – one with 19 million friends, in fact. He told Facebook employees and others watching online the nation must invest vigorously in education, clean energy and research that are vital to future jobs and a strong economy.

Obama's own White House Facebook page is among the most popular anywhere. Some 19 million network users have electronically "liked" it.

Making the case for his deficit-cutting plans, Obama said that one way to trim health care costs could involve doctors sharing medical information on Facebook. Health care is one of the last major industries to rely heavily on paper records, he said, "because a large chunk of our provider system is not automated."

Obama's 2008 campaign used Facebook and other social networks to reach voters, volunteers and donors, especially among young adults. Such outlets will play even bigger roles in the 2012 campaign that's already under way.

Obama, beginning a three-day Western tour pitching his budget plans and raising re-election cash, said trimming $4 trillion from the nation's deficits sounds like a lot but can be done.

He will hold another session Thursday in Reno, Nev., with his message that his approach is more balanced and less painful than the rival House Republican plan.

Obama favors tax hikes on wealthy Americans, which GOP lawmakers oppose. He called for further cuts in the military and other agencies.

The Republican plan would cut tax rates for corporations and high earners, but also close some tax loopholes. It would achieve nearly $6 trillion in savings from spending cuts and overhauling Medicare and Medicaid.

To the average viewer, there was little to distinguish Obama's Facebook town hall from previous question-and-answer sessions he has held with voters, other than the fact that the event could be viewed live by Facebook users.

Zuckerberg was the moderator, asking the first question himself, then calling on Facebook employees in the audience and reading the president questions submitted online.

The company's youthful founder was a friendly referee, praising Obama's education policies. Obama returned the favor, applauding Zuckerberg for the $100 million donation he made to help improve schools in Newark, N.J.

Asked by an employee what he would do differently as president, Obama looked forward, not back. He said he wants to control the debt and deficit, overhaul the immigration system and make the country less dependent on foreign oil by developing domestic and alternative sources of fuel.

He said the legislative battle over the 2010 health care law was long; it consumed more than a year. But Obama said he wasn't sure it could have been done more quickly because the health care system is big and complicated.

The president acknowledged the pain that rising gasoline prices are causing.

"These gas prices are killing you right now," he said, "and so this is the reason why I've said that it is so important for us to invest in new approaches to energy."

Addressing immigration, Obama cast the issue in economic terms and said the long tradition of people coming from other countries with their ideas has helped make America great. He referred to Andy Grove, the Hungarian-born founder of computer chip maker Intel Corp., and said he wants more skilled immigrants like Grove to come and start businesses in the U.S., not in China or in France.

"If we've got smart people who want to come here and start businesses ... why wouldn't we want them to stay," he said. "Why would we want to send them someplace else? Those are potential job creators. Those are job generators."

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Dosadi 11:02 PM on 04/21/2011
larsluchan It would seem you have NO FACTS other than tired incoherent union rhetoric.

Not an unusual occurence when chatting with someone who represents Criminal Mobster Unions.
posted Apr 21, 2011 at 22:46:59     Reply  Read More...
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Paul Andrews
How To Absolutely Secure Your Computer
08:36 PM on 04/24/2011
Just remember this: What ever the GOVERNMENT gives you today, they can take away tommorrow, after they have your vote of course. This applies to BOTH parties
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
08:52 PM on 04/24/2011
“@ranchero4 2 Do you really believe that most of the people should be able to sit back and do nothing constructi ve and let a very small percentage of the population take care of them ? Life has its difficulti es for most people but somehow I feel much better about my self when I can look myself in the mirror and honestly say that the last meal I ate was paid for by the sweat of my brow and I dont live on any handouts. Thats just me.”

>>Sorry - careful review of THIS article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/ranchero42/obama-debt-reduction-plan_n_851374_85460661.html

>>As well as THIS article: http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/2011/05/top-one-percent-201105

Fails to yield the meaning behind:@ranchero42 Do you really believe that most of the people should be able to sit back and do nothing constructive and let a very small percentage of the population take care of them ? Life has its difficulties for most people but somehow I feel much better about my self when I can look myself in the mirror and honestly say that the last meal I ate was paid for by the sweat of my brow and I dont live on any handouts. Thats just me.

Since I know you've sworn off straw man arguments - I have NO DOUBT as to the sincerity of your beliefs - whatever those may be.
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
09:10 PM on 04/24/2011
Yes, I recognize the meaning. This is a standard Rightwing projection - ideally used by Randian 'morans' that believe the sheer strength of will - or perhaps it's libertarian self-righteousness - is enough to discourage the 'lesser beings' from voting.

Luckily - Ayn Rand is debunked by those who recognize that fifth-grade logic for what it is.
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Paul Andrews
How To Absolutely Secure Your Computer
07:41 PM on 04/24/2011
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/china-proposes-cut-two-thirds-its-3-trillion-usd-holdings


I hear that OBAMA is building a new nation, Its Called Failures R US
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
09:17 PM on 04/24/2011
Neatly re-packaged demonization, projection and deflection from all those liberally biased facts you find so inconvenient.

In his capacity of Presidential advisor Dick Cheney once said not to lean so hard on numbers - even though we can all agree numbers don't lie - RoboCheney doesn't think deficits matter, either.
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
03:26 PM on 04/24/2011
Dear President Obama !

so have the economic hit men had there introductory visit with you Yet !!

did ya take the money ?? and for sake our nations people ?

after watching apology of an economic hit man !! am just wondering ?? is all
02:21 AM on 04/23/2011
$35,000 per plate to hear Obama talk about the Republicans being bought by the "rich"

Now that's funny!
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Paul Andrews
How To Absolutely Secure Your Computer
07:47 PM on 04/24/2011
@Milo40 Very well said. F&F for you How come some many of my liberal friends on this thread cannot see that zero Middle class and poor people can attend a event like this ? Further why can they not understand that money buys influenece. No one throws 35k at you without some expectations. Middle class and Poor people WAKE UP you are being DUPED
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
09:27 PM on 04/24/2011
That's correct folks - Mr. Andrews wants you believe people who look like him, act like him, and lecture endlessly about 'fairness' - please IGNORE what these folks are trying to tell you:

http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-17350-9_things_the_rich_dont_want_you_to_know_about_taxes.html
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
06:33 PM on 04/22/2011
We have an admitted troll onboard.


"ts400   11 minutes ago (6:20 PM) 31 Fans Become a fan Just started this gig.

And it's quality not quantity that I'm after.


No mindless minons allowed over here..."


There's a company called Advantage Consultants that's offering up "professional blog warriors" to "flood the zone" with comments. In short, astro-turf trolls for the blogosphere.



Pssst!  The trolls only get paid when you reply to them.  Hint, hint!
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
02:38 AM on 04/23/2011
You know - I heard something about this a while back - what tro//s? Isn't there an Orkin for that?
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Paul Andrews
How To Absolutely Secure Your Computer
07:52 PM on 04/24/2011
@Dosadi I just googled advantage consultants and could not find them do you have an URL for them ? HaHaHa
05:34 PM on 04/22/2011
How did Obama respond to the Poll wherein 70% of Americans say the Country is on the wrong track?

70%?

That IS a mandate for change.

Is it not?

How could a President so squander the goodwill he had built with the American populace when he was first elected?

Really.

The turnabout of the Tide is nothing short of astounding.

Evidently he had both dithered and frittered.
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
06:34 PM on 04/22/2011
The polls/people are referring the republican agenda of lie, obfuscate and sabotage.  DUH!
09:09 PM on 04/22/2011
You respond as it you are oblivious to the Democrats being CRUSHED in the voting booths just five short months ago.

Perfect.

Simply continue to reside in la-la land until 12/12 and then reality will hit you like a brick.
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marymeade2
I prefer liberty over tyranny
09:28 PM on 04/22/2011
I'm sorry, but you have been hoodwinked. Your guy is in deep trouble. Do you not think the entire country is full of fools? Please, talk of obfucation, that's your guy. For lands sake he is out there telling the population that he has done wonders for our country and the debt, deficit and no jobs are staring him in the face. What are you?
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
11:34 PM on 04/22/2011
All this President needs is a cool, refreshing beverage!

“FACTS! This liberal President has never heard of them! Carrying water for the Right? How about the MSM, MessNBC, newspapers­, magazines, etc that give this President a pass on everything­! They've built a damn for him. Thats a FACT!

This crowd? You mean those like M. Moore, Bill Mahr, MessNBC, G. Soros, thug union reps, corrupt/gr­eedy union execs(that never produce anything), union members who manage to make 40 - 45% more in wages and benefits @ "taxpayer expense," than the private sector; punish those that continue to invest, innovate, produce while rewarding the have-nots(­many) who will not work, educate themselves­, get-off drugs/alco­hol, quit making/hav­ing babies, benefits for illegals and those liberals who can do nothing but continue to have a pity party 24/7 for these people.

That's quite a crowd you like to associate with? See how much they continue to cost you, that is if your interested in checking those FACTS?"

Yes, that was ONE sentence - pronounced with fervor, too!
12:13 AM on 04/23/2011
I was about to fan you again. Faved then!
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Paul Andrews
How To Absolutely Secure Your Computer
02:57 AM on 04/22/2011
My dear Left Wingnuts are you ready for the $23 a loaf of bread ? Oh well most Americans are OBESE so I guess we will all slim down. Get ready for the FOOD SHORTAGES.
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optimist7
10:49 AM on 04/22/2011
"... the $23 a loaf of bread?" That will only happen if we don't return to growing and preparing more of our food locally. The amount of shipping involved in our current economy, for all of the savings realized in mass production, increases the cost of everything we buy. If bread were once again made in local bakeries with locally grown grains, eliminating over-processing and preservatives, bread might not be as fattening or unhealthy as it's become, and wouldn't carry the wasteful costs of shipping. Elimination of subsidies to the agricorps might help, along with regulation of commodity speculation.
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Paul Andrews
How To Absolutely Secure Your Computer
08:15 PM on 04/24/2011
@optimist you may not have heard but the FDA with senate bill S510 makes it illegal to grow your own food. When I heard about the prediction of a loaf of bread going up to $23 I thought "NO PROBLEM" we cand just buy seeds and grow our own food. Then the FDA comes along with S510 and makes it illegal to grow your own food. Can you spell WORLD DEPOPULATION ? It s all in their grand scheme to clean up the environment by killing millions of people
11:21 AM on 04/22/2011
Hey Paul, I'm right there with ya-but referring to people with whom we simply happen to disgree with as Left Wingnuts doesn't promote the debate does it?

I know, I know their "bagger" etc. references and diatribes notwithstanding...

Does honey attract more flies than vinegar?

Does civility promote the unfettered exchange of ideas?

Keep up the good fight!
12:14 AM on 04/23/2011
:D
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
12:25 AM on 04/23/2011
Vinegar is the chosen beverage of the religious ascetic. I'm guessing this guy can't tell it from 'extra dry.'

“I'm right. A-theists can not leave the book alone.
I'm not using the term enthralled as a word for exciting reading. I'm using it as a word to describe how it words as a magnet to the mind.
As to shaping society? Aren't you trying to shape society the same way, only to a-theism?
As to reading the Koran to disprove it? Once it is disproved one stops reading it. A-theists don't with the Bible. They can't let it go, as you are proving. Even if it is a negative in the a-theist mind, the a-theist cannot leave it alone.
The reason non-theist­s, which don't exist, respond to these articles is they are on an evangelist­ic mission to try and get people to be like them in thought. A-theism is a religion with it's "god", "holy spirit", "moses", "four gospels", "evangelis­ts", etc. The only difference is a-theism is a subset of the goddess religion and teaching.”

I thought it would be unfair if I didn't acknowledge or allow for reflection of similarities between some of the more entertaining posters!
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
11:02 PM on 04/21/2011
larsluchan It would seem you have NO FACTS other than tired incoherent union rhetoric.

Not an unusual occurence when chatting with someone who represents Criminal Mobster Unions.
posted Apr 21, 2011 at 22:46:59     Reply     Link

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Union rhetoric you say?  I'm just getting started.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


Game, set, match.

Take that back to your corner and ponder what a union is and exactly what union you are a member of. It is called the United States. You with us or not?
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
03:01 PM on 04/22/2011
The OP posted this on March 29th. Isn't it amazing how well it still holds up three weeks later?

We are through just giving more than the minimum to entities that do not earn it.

No more collective bargaining for corporatio­ns - end the lobbying system.

If we allow collective bargaining by corporatio­ns, it is totally gonna mess up our entire household budgets.”
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
05:31 PM on 04/22/2011
Corporations don't need collective bargaining.  They have "Citizens United." They can buy any legislator they want. We need to somehow find a way for the citizens to have a voice.

Every campaign contribution from a corporation is a bribe.  Why else would they give millions unless they expected and were getting something in return.

And yes, all political parties are guilty.
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Sheila Whitehead
sheilababe
12:45 AM on 04/23/2011
thank you kind and intelligent sir!
10:46 PM on 04/21/2011
Did Obama comment on the rising Chinese Yuan at any of his town hall revivals?

Did he comment on the FED's QE2 monetary policy and how other nations are abandoning the dollar and increasingly looking for an alternative world reserve currency?

Did Obama not detect the tone and tenor of the mesaage the BRIC countries sent him just last week in their diplomatic but thinly veiled threat?

Why are 99.9% of you posters utterly clueless as to what will happen to the United States not if, but when we lose our world reserve currency status?

It can't happen?

It happened to the British Pound Sterling after WWII didn't it.

Do you not comprehend the dire ramifications of this?

Do you NOT know what will happen to all your social welfare programs and entitlement programs?

Do you have any CLUE what will happen to the standard of living for the middle class and particularly the poor?

And yet you pander and demand ever more?

Do you think your ignorance is bliss?

And ever more increasing debt ceiling?

How can such supposed open minded visionaries be so remarkably short sighted and in the dark about this fundamental and profound issue?

And S& P's downgrade warning earlier this week?

And Hong Kong and the yuan?

How can people who purport to know so much, see so little?
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chocolateandcheese
Imagine if we could get 99% voter turnout
11:33 PM on 04/21/2011
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
12:00 AM on 04/22/2011
I understand that with your evidently finite knowledge, simply defaulting to the end of the alphabet would indeed be your best strategy.

You embarrass yourself.

You have 281 Fans?

Really?

This IS too easy....
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mariusvinchi
Saint Lucia is looking better and better every day
03:29 AM on 04/22/2011
"Why are 99.9% of you posters utterly clueless as to what will happen to the United States not if, but when we lose our world reserve currency status?"

You are clearly not a "numbers guy".....

Do YOU realize that the HufPost demographic has 71% college graduates with 23% of those with graduate degrees?

Juxtapose that with Fox News with 38% having graduated college.

My point is if you want to get our attention and be taken seriously, be less condescending. Most of us really do grasp the nuances of international monetary policy as it relates to debt and trade. Probably much better than you....
10:36 AM on 04/22/2011
Mari,

I have three advanced diplomas beyond the undergrad hanging on my walls in my offices-shall we truly engage in that game?

And the Huf N Puff demographics and degrees? Oh pleeease.

Evidently ALL in the soft social sciences, few if any appear to be Econ or Business and certainly not MBA's.

When you receive YOUR Masters in Finance, look me up.

And of course the average profile Huff poster is utterly clueless as to what will happen to the fiat dollar when it loses world reserve currency status-how their standard of living will crash virtually overnight.

Note the word overnight.

If you appreciated the magnitude of what is transpiring globally, you'd concur with my post.
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Paul Andrews
How To Absolutely Secure Your Computer
08:54 PM on 04/24/2011
@mariusvinchi I too have advanced degrees in 2 of the most complex subjects, Math and Physics and hold over 20 computer patents but that dosent make me any smarter than a fifth grader, I love that show. I always try to see the other persons point of view and try to present a logical yet honest debate. No One politician or Political party will ever own me
08:44 PM on 04/21/2011
The government should be only be for protection leave the church to take care of the poor.
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
09:02 PM on 04/21/2011
WAKE UP!! You were having that same nightmare again. That story your older brother told you about 'Zombie Reagan' was just that - only a story.
09:10 PM on 04/21/2011
?, the government shouldn't be in health care.
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Mattea Berry
Card carrying member of the professional left
09:47 PM on 04/21/2011
Let me guess, you just read "Atlas Shrugged"?
09:57 PM on 04/21/2011
whats that
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MarkNouveau
Vera vincit imaginato
02:08 PM on 04/21/2011
If congress is here to represent us, what example are we setting? A bickering, divided nation who can't cooperate with each other only leads to an electorate who votes in bickering, divided politicians who can't cooperate with each other.

Obama at least offers a decent strategy based around COOPERATION. he acknowledges both sides are at fault for the mess. Democrats who tax and spend, and Republicans who slash and spend. We have to work together on this, despite the right's odious attempts at crushing ANY modicum of compromise under the guise of ideological purity.

The time for trickle-down economics and untamed free markets has passed. We either need to evolve together or this country will fail.

Debate and sharing perspectives is great, but it needs to be put in the context of actually SOLVING PROBLEMS.

After being the pinnacle of evolution on this planet, I struggle with the fact that we are still arguing whether or not being Progressive is right or not. Last time I checked, time only went forward. Maybe its time we all moved with it.
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new beginning
Practice random acts of kindness-change the world
06:32 PM on 04/21/2011
The word "progressive" sounds so happy and forward thinking. Yet behind the fuzzy sounding word lurks a dark underbelly. A philosophy which spurns excellence - success and optimism - in favor of a philosophy of entitlement which ensures that the poor will never be anything but poor by giving them just enough money that others earn to become addicted. Of course civilized people will readily help those who are unable to help themselves. But when able bodied people are also multi-generational welfare recipients and draining money from the system that could go to real need, then we have a problem.

We look at the concept of 'fairness". Why is it "fair" for the top 1% to pay 38% of all federal income taxes and for the bottom 47% not to pay a dime - when they are receiving the bulk of the entitlements? You "progressives" want to punish the workers and producers in our country through escalating taxation while encouraging the non-producers to always crave more of other people's money. When its always the same people paying the bills, where is the shared sacrifice by those who contribute nothing into the system?
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
09:00 PM on 04/21/2011
Thank goodness for 'invisible friends.'

“This is worth repeating. Since 1913, the top bracket tax rate has averaged 59.2%. From 1932 through 1981, this tax rate averaged 79.6%. During these 49 years, the average GDP growth was 8.0% per year, and the average unemployme­nt rate (data goes back to '48) was 5.3%.

1982 saw the start of the grand GOP "vodoo/sup­ply-side/t­rickle-dow­n Reaganomic­s" experiment­, which has now run for 29 years and has been extended for another two years. During this period, the top bracket tax rate dropped to an average of 38.1%. The average GDP growth dropped by 32%, from 8.0% to 5.5%, and the average unemployme­nt rate increased by 20% from 5.3% to 6.3%.

You can draw whatever conclusion you want from these historical data, but the Great GOP Experiment has run its course and the following two GOP hypotheses have been patently REJECTED by the resulting data:

1. Transferri­ng more wealth to the rich through tax cuts adds jobs and accelerate­s growth.

2. Taxing the rich more, much more than today's 35% in fact, will hurt the economy.

No one can never again make any of these claims without engaging in the Biggest Big Lie ever perpetuate­d on a gullible society.”
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
11:25 AM on 04/22/2011
You love all this old-school deflection. Here's some old-school: put the tax rate back to where is was during the Eisenhower years - even the Right must concede the economy was booming. Glass-Steagall ring a bell?
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marymeade2
I prefer liberty over tyranny
10:12 PM on 04/21/2011
A decent strategy? Cooperatation. How does that happen when Obama only wants poverty and despair. He has offered nothing to spur on free market enterprise. He actually thinks and believes that the welfare state will uplift everyone. Free markets will never be in the past. Where are you coming from, as it certainly isn't America.!?@!? Maybe you are just too young yet, better get some more experience before you post.
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coveark
Obstructionists, get off the hill !!!
12:50 AM on 04/22/2011
I have decades of experience and you are full of baloney.
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ranchero42
Taunt him with the licence of ink...
01:15 PM on 04/22/2011
Here's something about 'free enterprise' - the favored phrase of the 'most high' enablers has come crashing down and they pretended not to notice.

http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-wealth-and-inequality-in-america-2010-4#the-gap-between-the-top-1-and-everyone-else-hasnt-been-this-bad-since-the-roaring-twenties-1
01:57 PM on 04/21/2011
What's GALLING is the weak double talk that passes for a GOP position.

Call federal revenue ANYTHING but what IT IS....
"job killing"....."other people's money"....."robbing future generations"....

Federal revenue is doing ONE thing.

PAYING YOUR FAIR SHARE.
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new beginning
Practice random acts of kindness-change the world
06:34 PM on 04/21/2011
Federal taxation is redistributing the money we earn to those who don't earn it.

What do you think is a "fair share"? Surely you will agree that it is not "fair" for the bottom 47% of Americans not to pay a dime in taxes. Right?
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coveark
Obstructionists, get off the hill !!!
01:08 AM on 04/22/2011
Then the working poor should make enough to be taxed......plus.........many who do not work are mentally and or physically unable to work.

Since Reagan closed down the hospitals we have 1000's of mentally ill and or (retarded ) people walking the streets being victims or victimizers.

Yes , we have the skid row people some of whom are living a derelict life from addiction to substances.....but most do not want to be involved with a system that might try to change them so they are not actually out trying to get on the list or on the dole.

Think about it. If for some reason you simply do not have the education to obtain a high paying job. etc. and have to work perhaps more than one job and still live below the poverty level...........do you think you should also be taxed. (Actually they are taxed in many ways) , perhaps not on the federal level, but taxed all the same.

You may resent paying taxes for our own people.......I resent my tax moneys being paid out in subsidies to big oil, the war machine, mega agriculture, and that large corporations can pay no tax, and the someone with a CEO as a title can be given ludicris amounts of money in bonuses. But that is me.......I enjoy the benefits of my tax dollars paying for the things that individuals would not accomplish. Highways, etc. I Love America and its people more than $$$$$$
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taxi648
It's all about issues, mine and yours.
03:31 AM on 04/22/2011
new beginning, our income has not grown since 2000. Under W taxes were cut and we were going backwards in income. W promised that 2008 would be the best year ever and our income fell by 5.7%. If you don't grow the income and keep lowering the taxes more people are paying less taxes.

Also, the wealthy have lucrative tax advantages that most people will never be able to have. How many houses do you have? Do we really need to give a tax break for a second home. Should Warren Buffet pay less than his secretary or cleaner? And if the wealthy pay more taxes they will still be wealthy. Don't you think that we need to put the trickle down theory to bed. It never worked, it never trickled down, the wealthy didn't create more jobs, unless it was an extra maid or gardner, and I imagine they didn't pay taxes.
DUSAA-1775
never moon a werewolf
06:59 PM on 04/21/2011
... ' What's GALLING is the weak double talk that passes for a GOP position...'

...' 'Reduce spending in the tax code'...'

I know how GALLING it can be...
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ranchero42
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01:25 PM on 04/22/2011
“Slinging your insults causes you to miss the real purpose of having a high tax rate. When you tax the financial elite at a higher than 50% rate it is not in their best interest to take profits out of companies.

So rather than taking profits then reinvest in business and create jobs. US Corporatio­ns MUST be taxed on foreign profits for the same reason. If US Corporatio­ns are going to pay US income tax on foreign profits then it reduces the benefits of outsourcin­g.

Higher tax rates are not always there just to collect more taxes. Historical data proves that jobs are created when tax rates are higher, not when tax rates are cut. The only people that benefit from lower tax rates are the financial elite. And that is short-term benefits.

Witness the current situation. How long to do you think the poor and middle class are going to continue to support this unjust tax system? There will come a tipping point. America's economy is a consumer based economy.

Take the money away from the consumer, the poor and middle class majority, and you will create a depression that will consume America.”
01:29 PM on 04/21/2011
sure, let's not cut anything. let's keep pretending we don't spend WAY more than we take in. let's keep pretending we can be in three wars and subsidize the poor, the jobless and everyone who needs any form of assistance. and let's just keep demonizing the rich - and make them fully subsidize the USA. i mean, why should anyone be able to make over $250,000, right? especially when there are still folks in shelters without cell phones!

hear about McDonald's new "Obama Value Meal" ? order anything you want... and the guy behind you has to pay.
01:32 PM on 04/21/2011
EVERYBODY has to pay, Joe.

INCLUDING YOU.

And if you are making more than a quarter of a million....YOU HAVE TO PAY MORE.

Dismal HUAC tripe won't make it.
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midwestblues
01:59 PM on 04/21/2011
Selfishness to the nth degree.
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06:35 PM on 04/21/2011
You are so right! Those darned "progressives" are just out for themselves.
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Mattea Berry
Card carrying member of the professional left
09:49 PM on 04/21/2011
What do you expect? Their patron saint wrote a book called "The Virtue of Selfishess"

I say we just give them Texas and call it a day!
01:11 PM on 04/21/2011
On the tax cuts, does anyone have concerns about Obama shifting the tax burden from big business to individual citizens?
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
02:37 PM on 04/21/2011
More importantly, do you have a link to the fact that he is doing this?  And by the way, Congress manages taxes, not the president.
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prettyinpink
Liberalism-Ideas so good-they're MANDATORY
05:42 PM on 04/21/2011
perhaps why Clinton was successful in budgetary terms
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06:37 PM on 04/21/2011
The President is attempting to interject his lame half baked ideas into the discussion and demonizing Congress's plan. Tell HIM that it is Congress's job.
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ranchero42
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01:30 PM on 04/22/2011
“Yes, but the main claim of the Repubs and Obama is that this crisis is the root crisis, more important than all the other crises, so it is extremely urgent and must solved right away and solved only by budget-cut­ting -- or else. This is nonsense. In fact, it's more like legal highway robbery to be carried out on the middle class. If there were a Repub president now, we would not be hearing this, so it is a phony crisis designed to scare Americans into agreeing with it. We might as well be a third world nation, where all sorts of phony crises are created in order to scare the populace into submission­.

We have a debt problem, but we have even bigger problems: over-conce­ntration of wealth at the top, a shrinking middle class and falling aggregate demand, shrinking tax revenues, depression­, stubbornly high unemployme­nt, and foreign wars. These are the main reasons for our high debt.

Cutting expenditur­es it is not the overriding problem in a recession. In a recession, reviving the economy, reducing unemployme­nt, and raising taxes on the wealthy and on tax-dodgin­g corporatio­ns like GE are the major policy goals. These measures also help to reduce the deficit. On the other hand, budget cuts now would dampen economic activity and actually *increase* the deficit and national debt. When the economy is expanding, then you can talk about budget cuts, but they are not THE CRISIS as the Repubs and Obama claim.”
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12:57 PM on 04/21/2011
"Nothing is easier than solving a problem on the backs of people who are poor, or people who are powerless, or don't have lobbyists, or don't have clout,"

Please, if you are looking at "easy," what could be easier than promising something you can't afford (so you can be re-elected) while planning to steal the funds necessary from people who haven't even been born and aren't able to defend themselves from your over-reaching.

There is NOTHING easier than stealing from future generations.

This President lectures the right on courage? Really? The couragous thing to do here is to own up to the disaster that is centralized bloated goverment. Address the budget crisis that threatens to destroy this country and propose a budget that reflects reality. But that is not what this President will do.

Shame on Obama and all who support his empty rhetoric.
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01:11 PM on 04/21/2011
WEEEEEP-WEEEEEPWEEEEP

WE SAY NO TO THESE F*CIST NORDQUIST HYSTERIANS WHO ARE OUT TO DESTROY THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA.

IF YOU FOLKS WANT TO BE TRICKLED DOWN ON THAT'S ON YOU
02:24 PM on 04/21/2011
You realize you sound rather shrill?
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coveark
Obstructionists, get off the hill !!!
01:12 AM on 04/22/2011
And get a whiff of trickle down ( which does not even exist).......PEEEYOUUU
01:26 PM on 04/21/2011
You'd be much more convincing my dear JPL, if your "concern" for future generations had began in 2004, when Bush...how did you put it....?

"Please, if you are looking at "easy," what could be easier than promising something you can't afford (so you can be re-elected­) while planning to steal the funds necessary from people who haven't even been born and aren't able to defend themselves from your over-reach­ing."

You mean like Bush promising something he could'nt afford...(tax cuts to the ultra-wealthy)...to get RE-ELECTED?

My guess is that you started watching the economic clock the minute a non-white was elected.
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01:40 PM on 04/21/2011
What is your point, that both Bush and Obama, in turn are taking the easy way out by spending money they didn't have?

Agreed.

Is that a sound reason to continue the easy way out? No.

The problem is today and tomorrrow. The solution must be going farward. There are a lot of reasons why we are in the current mess. But Obama ia president now. He owes us a plan going forward.

I have been watching the "economic clock" my whole adult life. Your suggestion that it is race motivated is baseless - it says more about you than me.

Your way of thinking does not adress the problem.
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08:20 PM on 04/21/2011
Wow. Throwing in the random race card with absolutely no justification whatsoever. What a way to live your life. Perpetual victim.....

And how in the world do you know what jpl was doing in '04? You are making a lot of assumptions based on your own insecurities and no facts - very counter productive. imho.